Insider

Conservative: Tight; strict; critical; by the "old" book; no wiggle room. Liberal: Loose and variable. Wink, Wink.

Thanks for the correction. I heard there were only four in this country and a government program is covering the costs of their research and trials.

There has never been a set "Standard" for anything for decades. The closest to a standard that ever existed and probably the only place there was an easily identified line was the AU/MS decision when the definition of MS was "no trace of (friction) wear." There have been many published 'Guidelines." None are followed in every instance even by the "modern" TPGS with online guides. Each KNOWLEDGEABLE & EXPERIENCED numismatist, dealer, and collector has their own personal grading standards. Therefore, the notion of "liberal" or "conservative" depends on what each KNOWLEDGEABLE & EXPERIENCED numismatist, dealer, and collector thinks.

A Troll posts this: "Plagues are a part of our life. It's "Mother Nature's" way of culling the herd." What would be an example of a response to this statement from a poorly educated or illiterate person? 1. OMG, there is no Mother Nature! 2. I guess all of medicine should just stop! 3. What's a plague? 4. Are you calling us cows?

Four companies working on it. Fastest ever mobilization ever. The businessman running our country has already set up distribution, and the vaccines are being produced at this minute in case one of them works. Trials have been temporarily stopped on two of them to find out why there were averse effects on a test subject. You will not read any of this in the "American Press" so I guess the "40-something-know-it-all-in their-own-mind-Ex-Perts" will call this just some conspiracy theory.

Definition of a troll: Someone who asks many pointed questions about a member's posted that are never answered. Opinion posts are easy to make. Reading the opinion of others is how we learn new things. That's why I'd rather read posts from members who disagree with me! This gets tedious at times because "feelings" don't cancel out facts. Unfortunately, the amount of ignorance in this country is exacerbated by the Press. There are certain things that a person will never change like the belief in a "God" or the hatred of toned coins. There are other beliefs that do change with true, verifiable facts like the earth flat or I have a double die coin. It took me a few years as a professional to learn that some coins were actually DOUBLED die specimens.

I've read something to that effect. It is different from getting a vaccine that protects you for life.

Dear Mark, This nonsense concerning one of the best reactions to the virus by a state was the 6th post in my discussion about the FUN Show. While I consider Roger a friend/mentor and I appreciate his comments rather than the occasional lame attempts at humor, your suggestion may be better placed.

My reply to Roger's post: "You are looking for excuses to avoid doing what are best practices acknowledged world wide [Unfortunately, you have mad a false claim about me. I am following all the recommended practices although I do not agree with some of them]. That is false, foolish, and demonstrates a lack of concern for others.[Get off your soapbox. You need a new Crystal Ball. Please see my comment above] Also, don't bother with the phony "personal freedom" dodge [???? I'm unaware that I used that one] - EVERY right [Exactly what "RIGHT" in the constitution are you MAKING UP? Since there is no "right" to healthcare or to being protected from "Typhoid Mary types" your personal feelings are just that. And we all have 'em] comes with responsibility, and protecting all supersedes your petty and selfish "right" to possibly spread disease. ("Typhoid Mary" couldn't grasp this, either, so you're in deadly infectious company.) The transmission rates reported in parts of Texas last month, for example, were approximately 75% lower in jurisdictions that encouraged distancing, masks, and hand washing -- even for the "unwashed masses." Europe controlled the virus far better than the US as a whole through the same very simple protections. Similar results are reported by the CDC in parts of FL, GA, AL, CA and other states. In Virginia, the northern counties have consistently had much lower rates of infection than other areas where populations have been less consciousness.[No one can argue with this so what's the point? Going out into a cave in the desert works too] As for so-called "flip flops" that is yet another sign of self-serving ignorance {You call it ignorance. Either the flips happened - THEY DID or they did not happen. As more information came out, different CHANGES (flip flops) were recommended. So who is ignorant?] I call you and lack of rational thought. Science, as opposed to "dogma," is built on measurable data. Initial recommendations will normally be less focused and effective than those made after more data is collected and analyzed. After a couple of months (Jan-early Mar) the data from China and other infection loci demonstrated increasing confidence that distance, masks, and hand washing were very effective in reducing (but not totally preventing) community transmission. [Apparently, you are stuck on masks, distancing, etc. Aren't you aware that immediately after the outbreak in China, their government bought up much of the available PPE in the world and shut down the city while letting infected folks continue to leave China to the Western countries?] The "herd immunity" touted by ignorant dogmatists [with degrees in medicine] is not effective except when isolated populations reach approximately 75-80% immunity. For the USA, that's about 272 million who have survived, and 5.5+ million who have died. We've seen the results of lower immunity levels in outbreaks of measles and other "childhood" diseases originating in multiple closed communities where vaccination rates are below 75%; the spread is rapid and easily caught by thousands who were deliberately victimized by anti-vaccine groups. [Blah, blah, blah, and after all those numbers the net result is the population is purged and the "herd" becomes immune. Somehow that sounds like the nature of things all thru time for human populations. Oh the "dogma" of it all.] The kind of perverse stupidity expressed in your post is why there is presently no nation-wide "light at the end of the tunnel" except an approach freight train. [Did you read the NYT today. That liberal "rag" disagrees with you] The people about to get run over by ignorance and dogma are middle and lower wage people -- the same ones who perform much of the national consumer-goods production, food production and a host of basic necessary services that the rest of us chickens take for granted. These wage earners do not have large stores of cash or assets, and an increasing proportion are running on financial fumes with little hope in sight. [And that is the perfect argument for why the world should not have been shut down in the way it was. We have destroyed small and large business, large cities like NY, and become a country relying on government handouts.] Let's be brutally honest. The economy cannot fully recover until the CoVID-19 virus is under control [You mean under control like the yearly flu epidemics? Well, the virus and it's mutant strains to come is not going to go away - YET, the economy will recover as soon as the governors of several large states take the boot off the necks of their citizens in an attempt to change the political landscape in November] and states and communities can respond quickly to small outbreaks. No amount of hope, prayer, invocation, promise, dogma or anything else can change that - and unless a very effective vaccine becomes available to a very large part of the population, the most effective means we have to reduce spread are -- now say it all together: "Distance, Mask, and Wash!" [...and open up the country for coin shows!] Enough, Insider. I'm going to wash my hands of this. PS. It looks like I disagreed with you very little after all.

Stop by the ICG table after the class.

OK, still no direct answer my direct question. Let's try another: Please tell all of us what exact conspiracy you believe is going on. I have not heard any sane person anywhere mention that there is a conspiracy related to what we are writing about. Are masks a conspiracy? Is the lock down a conspiracy? Is the fact that deaths are attributed to the virus that should not have a conspiracy? Wait! Is any opinion that you don't agree with a conspiracy? OMG, my friends were correct after all. Discussing something with a 40-something is like discussing something with a twenty-something - only more painful as the older person should be more informed.

Hey genius. You have never answered one of my direct questions - EVER. I realize you young fellas were not properly educated in the simple art of discussion so I'll try again. Please tell all of us what you disagree with in my post. Otherwise, goodbye. : PS Get a hold of the NYT today: "Experts confident the Pandemic will be over sooner than expected." WHO, says lockdown was probably not the right thing to do. Now why do you think the NYT is publishing this?

Again, there are MILLIONS of cases! I don't know anyone who has tested positive but I'll guarantee that many of the people I interact with - masks and all - are positive. Sooner or later you and I are going to get it.

This is NOT a question of personal rights so don't fog up the issue. This is about what you posted. All the flip-flops, that occurred as we learned more about the virus. That's the way "science" works. BTW, since you get your news from the TV, did you see all the protests. I have not heard about a massive increase in BLM or Antifa deaths. Guess I'm uninformed. Furthermore, plagues are a part of our life. It's Mother Nature's way of culling the herd. As I wrote before, most humans will eventually test positive. While that is happening, some will die.

I'll reply to this later as your post contains too much Kool-Aid. Too bad you checked out.

LOL. In CNN nonsense we Trust; and God didn't make little green apples either.

We are to wear them for both cases. And the flaw in your argument is VERY OBVIOUS to anyone who cares to think about it. if the virus can get through most types of masks when you breath in... wait for it, wait for it...

We have several very effective treatments right now. As for a vaccine, don't hold your breath. BTW, the masks most of us are forced to wear DO NOT KEEP VIRUS PARTICLES OUT! If the press in this country were doing its job - many things we think we know would be much different.

Just heard these figures for FL: 700+ thousand cases, 15K deaths. That's around 2% which matches the % of deaths I've heard reported all along. And remember many of the virus deaths were not entirely valid although a death is a death and very final.

NUTS! There was no science on the Chinese virus as all the flip flops proved. We are learning as we go. BTW, you picked a terrible example to try to make your case. FL has done EXTREMELY WELL considering most of our population is in the target age. I'll ask this question again (third time) and we may get more than 4-5 deaths! Does any member know any one who died from the virus? Your friend of a friend's auntie's daughter's neighbor's third cousin with diabetes QUALIFIES AS A YES.

Closing down and confining people to home was not the best choice after all. Apparently, very many folks get the virus with little effect. They don't know it unless they are tested. The folks who are tested fall into two groups have it/had it or virus free. Of the folks who have it/had it, in this country a small percent of them die (that's unfortunate and thousands have died in this country). So I don't know the TRUE figures - we will one day but it is similar to this example: 3 million have the virus (tested positive or not tested). 40K died during the time hospitals were being paid to report as many deaths due to the virus as they could - for whatever the reason. My chance of catching the virus and surviving it is probably 98%. That's why I made a reservation last Thursday when I found out the show was going to be held. When I catch it, my chance of dying from it is very slim but many people with this attitude are no longer above ground. When it is our time...

Congratulations, You are now a memory also.

Too bad. Air fare and hotel rates down.

As of now, the show will go on barring any unforeseen changes (increase in virus, FL Governor decree, etc). Masks will be required, temp taken each time you enter the show, disinfectant at each table, etc. Keep your fingers crossed. Please pass this on to ATS and other forums. PS WHO reversed its opinion on Shut down's. Too bad the damage is already done.

If an obverse die was made at the Mint and sent to a company to make test pieces the die is a genuine US Mint die. If ANYONE gets hold of that die and strikes something, it is a piece made with a genuine obverse Mint die. We can call it anything from a trinket to junk. That does not change what it is. What it is not is a "Slimy imitation".