Insider

Me either. Guess we missed out. Additionally, as a "bottom feeder" collector (I still am) I bought every one of these I ever saw because they were "Neat & Cheap." I never found one in silver. I'm shocked to see the prices they bring today. Time to sell. Here is a tip: On occasion, you can still buy some of Daniel Carr's "Concept" coins under $50. Buy them as the same increase in value is going to happen.

This is a continuation of an old quiz where my statement that the incuse marks on a coin resulted from sawdust. At one time WOOD DUST was used to dry Morgan dollar planchets. Most cleaning or circulation tends to cause the debris to fall off. If you search, eventually you will be able to find some of these particles still attached to a struck coin as on this 1886 dollar. The dust comes in all sizes from pin-point size to the largest chunk I've seen about 1/16 x 1/4 inch! Very often fiber lines can be seen in the depression when the wood is removed. The color is adjusted to show the brown color of the debris.

I've only ignored 2 folks in four years. That's because they had NOTHING OF VALUE to add to a discussion about coins or anything else. Folks that disagree with me are no problem at all - Bless their hearts. I learn things about coins and other things from many forum members. BTW, I was banned from ATS for arguing about the nonsense being posted about the virus from folks whose opinions were formed by CNN. Then, when I posted about how I would treat criminals (I'm of Italian/Arab decent) it was too much for the "snowflake types" who think prisons should be closed, our border open to invasion, and bailing out rioters so they could riot again the next day!

Thanks, I'll read ALL of it later. The coin IS NOT an incomplete clip. That's for sure!

I don't know yet. I have stated that I PERSONALLY see no PMD in the coin's image. I also respect Fred's PERSONAL opinion. Perhaps the owner will send it in.

Not snarky at all, just very uninformed: You show me one Internationally recognized authentication "Expert" who has never been proven to be incorrect. You cannot. PS I will not comment on anyone you name either that's their business.

So what is the link to your post on CU? What was the title of your post so I can search. When a coin is damaged, the surfaces don't look like the rest of the coin UNLESS all the surfaces have been altered. Your nickel looks natural to me.

Then why are members saying Fred called it PMD and did not comment further. Guess I'm just confused. Won't be the first time.

The cent looks like it may have an incomplete punch during blanking with an improper alloy mix.. Post it on CU and see what Fred says. The other coin is a major lamination (delamination).ed out completely

Please link to the CU discussion about this nickel. So far, none of the explanations of PMD make any sense to ,me.

A man is walking in the dark with a sandstorm going on and he bumps into what he thinks is the entrance to a small cave. He falls asleep to wait out the storm and wakes up under this thing. Gulp.

I misunderstood when I read what was misunderstood by you and the misunderstanding was explained due to my misunderstanding of the misunderstood explanation.

You are correct. There are some identical patches on the relief.

Let's just blame my poor images. I'll find some magnified images of sawdust.

The only thing SAD in this thread was your usual lame attempt at humor on Monday by posting a rock! "Small particles are more likely to collect in recesses of the die." 100% in agreement except these are not made by small particles - the black or clear gunk on the dies and press that contains micro-particles of coinage alloys. "...the sharp boundary shown on the coin is highly unlikely ". Disagree 100%. A struck thru mae by a soft substance (grease, cloth) has a rounded border. A struck thru from a hard substance has a sharp border as this. The inside of a strike thru often leaves an impression of what made it; however, most of the time it is just smooth as you posted. "The Philadelphia Mint bought only hardwood sawdust from mills in the Philadelphia area." Nice to know but so what? "Most Uncirculated coin marks are caused by contact with other coins and sometimes with equipment." I agree 100%. Knowledgeable numismatists know the difference between a contact mark into a coin (DAMAGE to its surface) and a pristine as struck totally original area caused by a planchet defect. The purpose of this "quiz" was to show the characteristics of a struck thru in one case and see if anyone knew what caused the dash-marks in the other.

Corrosion? The marks are into the coin so we know the die was not corroded because ________. If the coin were corroded, the surface would be damaged (etched) once the corrosion products were removed. The pits into this coin under the chin are "pristine." They have the same surface as an unstruck planchet. When bits of sawdust are removed from the surface of a coin, the marks left behind look exactly as this. Burn it into your mind for when you see it again in the future.

Sorry, I got busy. The marks under the chin are strike thru's - probably sawdust from drying the planchet. For those who believe that is not the case, then someone threw a sack of dirt on to the die! because Note that one of the marks on the coin has already been answered. As for the other set...the parallel dashes on the chin. I DON'T KNOW WHAT CAUSED THEM! Here is what we know. They are into the surface and uniform. They are in a flat plain and are fairly common if you look at enough coins - especially dollars. They can be on the relief as in this case or in the field. They are not PMD! They have the same color inside the mark as a struck thru SO THEY WERE ON THE PLANCHET and not struck out when the coin was made. Therefore, they are planchet defects of some kind.

I added one today but I don't recall who it was or on what forum. I guess that's why he/she won't be missed.

The blue and the green circles are the subject of the quiz. We'll talk about the other circles later.

This micrograph shows the chin and field under the chin of a Morgan dollar. Both the relief design of the chin and the flat field under the chin have two different types of marks INTO the coin's surface. What caused each? Insider, 37 minutes ago Edit Report

Interesting, and Thanks! I'm going to be looking for one of those dimes.

Let's see it.

''...'and what exactly is the ENCASEMET that the "O" and other marks came from? "Clash Marks" can occur all over the place.

I have not seen an encasement transfer design into the mid-parts of a coin. It's interesting to speculate the cause. It's just a damaged coin to me.

The dots made me consider an overstrike also.