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On 12/24/2023 at 4:35 PM, Franz Joseph said:

This is a nice example of variety - Verify NGC Certification | NGC (ngccoin.com)

RB is a designation - not a variety. It is also used for copper coins and the designation is not based upon an alloy. 

I understand where you are coming from, a 1868 dated Sydney Sovereign was minted using silver on the early strikes and copper on the later strikes. It too could be designated as yellow or red, but it is not. Each TPG does things differently. I believe that NGC has adjudicated this matter - so there is no use beating a dead horse. You have made your argument. Move on to something else. Life is too short.

enjoy Christmas. Hope that you have a nice one.

On 12/24/2023 at 4:10 PM, 7.jaguars said:

Can't say that I am all too familiar with the British legal system nor what it means for the principle to buy it up. Will Baldwin's survive? I didn't have a good feeling about the Gibbons purchase of it, nor the move out of the Embankment premises. Hopefully they do although they are not the same place as they were 20 and more years ago.

All good questions. It is a shame all the way around.

On 12/24/2023 at 2:31 PM, Franz Joseph said:

The coin has been listed in NGC competitive set until this discussion !

I am sure it can be added back into your registry set if you ask politely minus the red designation of course.

From NGC: There seems to be some confusion as to exactly what constitutes a variety. In United States numismatics, a variety may be defined as a die or die pairing that offers some distinctive feature not a normal part of the design. For early U. S. coins, those made before the introduction of the reducing lathe in 1836, every die required extensive hand punching of letters, numerals and other small features. Therefore, each and every die was distinctive, and each die pairing constitutes a variety. Thus, all coins from this period are of some identifiable variety, and each die pairing may be identified by number under NGC's VarietyPlus service.

NGC utilizes numerous other designations that do not, however, constitute varieties. These include designations such as FH for Full Head, FT for Full Torch and FBL for Full Bell Lines.Likewise, the designations BN, RB and RD for Brown, Red-Brown and Red, respectively, are not varieties.

I expect that this includes world coins as well.

On 12/24/2023 at 2:07 PM, Sandon said:

   No, we don't have the same issue! Every pure copper or 95% or more copper bronze or brass coin starts out "red" when struck. It changes to "red and brown" and/or "brown" due to chemical reactions with substances in the atmosphere to which it has been exposed or on surfaces with which it has come in contact, even if it has no circulation wear. Among most collectors, the more original "red" color such a copper or copper alloy coin has, the more desirable it is. The distinction is one made for grading purposes and is somewhat subjective. 

 

I was just going to mention this. Nice explanation. 

On 12/23/2023 at 12:21 PM, Henri Charriere said:

[Vocabulary tsunami!  You have nothing to fear. I merely wanted to point out that all sources, including the "French Red Book" insist the Restrikes are distinguishable from the Originals by their redder color.  However, I have plenty of high-grade examples which suggest there are many exceptions to the contrary.  Problem is, the entire F20F GR line is comprised of an identical 90% gold/10% copper alloy.]  

Is that French Red Book really Red? I’m not sure. 

1489 - 2023 and continuing, I have neither one. 
 

On 12/19/2023 at 3:29 PM, USAuPzlBxBob said:

Takes hours to gain access to the coins,

It’s difficult digging into frozen ground. I only look at mine during the summer months. 

Sounds interesting. What about Sydney?

On 12/18/2023 at 2:25 PM, magdalenahom28 said:

This will be interesting to me too!

They were sending these out, but I am not sure if it was just this year or not.

RIP

On 12/3/2023 at 3:33 PM, Fenntucky Mike said:

I went back over my collection of these and I found another example of that design used for the 1986 circulation strikes, the other examples posted have been designated proofs, not that I agree with that, I don't, and I hadn't looked at the BU pieces. I think the '85's are good just sloppy workmanship. 

You are making my eyes hurt! I checked a 1999 1/20 and it had the same marks.  

I like it!

Nice move up!

On 11/25/2023 at 11:05 PM, VKurtB said:

I bought a coin at Chard’s of Blackpool, England in December of 2019 that was marked “XF”. NGC graded it MS65. I was surprised it made it to 65, but I could see it was MS something. I’ve now been to the U.K. twice on coin hunts, and it is EASY to cherry pick on condition/grade there. 

Many coins graded GEF from the Bentley sale were later graded MS 63. XF to 65 - Wow! Now that is a great pickup. 

Get a better/second job! Or not.

On 11/23/2023 at 11:41 AM, powermad5000 said:

Those are nice pics, but I will never buy an Apple product.

Why?

I was looking for something appropriate for Thanksgiving, but the closest thing I found was a chicken, duck and an old rooster.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

Thanks Roger - it looks good.

What about NYINC?