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I would not spend the fees to have the coin in your op graded/slabbed.

Congrats on the newps, glad that you were able to safely handle the tire issue, that it only added a few minutes to the trip and did not result in injury or damage to your (or another motorist's) vehicle is the really good news. Love the 1907 and the Dutch gold coins.

Sorry to see you leave, this forum has devolved over the past year or two into a troll fest and home for mudslinging alts. I find myself spending far less time here now, there are better forums for those who wish to learn and discuss coins to spend time at. All the best to you @Oldhoopster, you did some good while you were here.

The most notable thing that I see is on the wreath, notice how the high points of many of the leaves seem shinny like high point rub. Now as I said I do not know this coin or series so that may in fact simply be the way these coins come as struck. I also am not really seeing that much in the way of luster, seems very minimal or subdued in the photos. Again, that could be very typical of this coin and series, or what I see for both of these areas could be a factor of the lighting. As I do not know the op and his level of numismatic expertise, or the conditions that these photos were taken I am simply relying on years of experience to judge what I see. I hope that is comes back with a high grade, which is why I hope the op will return once he has the coin back from NGC, I am always interested in learning what the graders think vs what I think.

Welcome to the forum, coins like this that were bulk graded (often for TV sellers) without numerical grades do not receive points in the NGC registry. Registry points are awarded and are biased upon a numerical grade, the higher the grade the more points. Thus, coins with no numerical grade receive no points.

Please stop back in and post your grading results if you do send it in, I do not know this series or type but from the photos an AU grade seems possible.

I think that coin has been offered on ebay for some time now, I have not been following 1940 dated coins much the second half of this year but it looks very familiar.

There are some layers to the stickers, more than just confirming market grading. Keep in mind that JA was primarily making a market and in effect prescreening coins with the sticker business. It grew to be something larger than that but when started CAC was simply a mechanism to find the best coins with the hope to buy and sell those A and B coins. If your goal is to be a market buyer then you have to work with what that current market is, the new CACG is slightly different in that it exists not to be a market buyer but rather to act as a TPG. I think that many people are trying to equate CAC to CACG, but these are not the same organizations with the same goals. So, it's important to remember, different goals result in different methods and standards. Depends on your view, I disagree with your assertion that some coins that are known to have striking issues should not have that held against those coins in the grading room, it is that exact type of thinking that has led down the rabbit hole of market grading. In fact, it should be held against it, when there is a certain year or mint where the production was so poor that the best coin is no better than MS64 because of striking issues then so be it, MS64 is the top. Giving a lofty grade of MS66 or MS67 to a garbage looking coin that is the result of poor craftsmanship and quality is (in my mind) the same as giving out participation trophies, I don't believe in the theory that everyone is a winner because they showed up. It can work, but only if the collectors and dealers accept it, that is going to be a very big wall to climb over, time will tell.

Not to worry, if you had my level of confidence I'd be more than just shocked.

On the top right corner of the submission form is a box you check and list all the submissions you want shipped back as a combined shipment.

Welcome to the forum! If you have any of the hit list 50 or top 100 VAMs those are the coins I would suggest considering the extra fees and having attributed. Also keep in mind that NGC does not attribute every known VAM, so be sure and check the list of VAM's that NGC will attribute when making your decision. I have not looked in a long time so I do not recall if PCGS excludes any VAMs from attribution, but if you plan to submit any there you should also check that first. Good luck on your grades and please stop back and share your results with us, we love to look at coins!

Thank you Joe! I only wish I could keep up with all the beautiful coins in your collection.

Well, the debbie downer approach is one way of looking at this new venture. However, TPG's are a part of the market and at this point are not going away, and in most areas of consumer goods more competition is better than less. So for myself I prefer to have a hopeful and positive approach to this new CAC grading operation over your view. And from what I have read you should actually like (as much as you can like any TPG) the new CAC grading company as their grading approach will be the closest to your way of grading. From all I have read JA does not plan to embrace the current market grading that the top two services currently employ, recently I read or heard on one of the videos JA discussing coins with weak strikes. This is not a direct quote but the basic concept of what he said was that a coin which would otherwise grade as MS66 but has a weak strike would be graded lower, perhaps as low as MS64. He mentions a very well known dealer/writer (sorry do not recall his name) who disagrees with him and told JA that a coin like that should be graded as MS66 with weak strike denoted on the slab label. It is that dealer's type of thought process that has led to the current market grading and gradeflation problem in the hobby. So really, while I never expect you to embrace any TPG, if CACG is successful in moving the grading curve back to more like it was when the TPG's first started it would in fact be much more in line with your concept of grading. The big questions are, will dealers and collectors embrace this different standard of grading, and will it be sustainable over time.

I just had this coin imaged by Mark Goodman, bought it from one of the long time PCGS forum members a couple of year back. PCGS XF45 CAC

Yes sir you are correct, when you see that shelf like look that is almost always a product of strike doubling. I say almost because I have seen a few instances/coins where what I see and believe to be simple strike doubling that displays that shelf like look has been recognized as doubling by the experts. The zinc cents are a different animal, that copper layer is so thin and malleable that during the striking process the copper is stretched and distorted, you don't see this with other US coins currently because the zinc cents are a unique combination of metals and how those metals are combined.

Not shelf doubling, that ghost like look on these copper plated zinc core cents is from the outer copper layer as the coin is struck the copper stretches and bunches up. It is just a striking issue with the zinc cents, often seen with some sliver of the silver zinc showing because the outer copper layer actually splits. In this case the copper layer did not split but the effect is the same, errorref.com has a section on this and has some examples of the effect on a broadstruck coin which shows the split effect and the zinc showing through really well. There are in fact 4 listed DDO's for the 1995-D, however only DDO-003 (FS-103) is significant and of value, I do not see the op coin as matching to DDO-003, and even if it does the coin looks to be in AU condition so I doubt it has much value. If the op actually submits this coin (which I doubt) I do not expect to see any updates when the coin comes back. Seems to be the MO of late, start a thread that the op has some major rarity and solicit offers for that said coin before it gets sent off for grading. Smells like a scam just like the last one of these in this thread Same MO, notice when I asked that op for some proof he disappeared.

Yes, several.

"but they feel the toning is questionable" What an incredibly surprising outcome. But I also want to give credit where credit is due, the op did come back and update with the results. Few ever do so.

I'm not a fan of the PCGS TV but the only pic I have of this coin.

Just to clarify, the op did not say that his quarter was in a TPG holder nor did he give any info about the date of this mysterious coin. And while most of the time for a coin to reach MS68 the strike would need to complete and full, under the current market grading scheme I have seen some modern coins with grades that lofty which I would not consider as fully struck.

So as you claim to have the coin how about you take a photo of that coin on top of today's newspaper with the date of the newspaper showing.

If you bought these from an on-line site like ebay you can return them for a refund, the seller lied and misrepresented what he was selling. Ebay will 100% back you if you file a SNAD (significantly not as described) claim. If you bought them at a local show I would contact the show promoter and discuss with him any possible options, at the very least I would show up at the next show and very loudly call this sleaze bag out on his selling practices. But I'm very comfortable being confrontational and not everyone is. If this transaction occurred via a social media platform you are hosed and have paid some tuition.