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On 5/23/2022 at 11:51 AM, Alex in PA. said:

Biblio.com has it for sale - $350.00 + $4.50 shipping to USA.

Also RobertsBookshop.com - same price.

Because it's the same book.  On Biblo it identifies the seller as Robertsbookshop.com.

On 5/31/2022 at 12:47 PM, Mr.Bill347 said:

It very well may become a reality. Canada discontinued theirs in 2012.

Yes but Canada is apparently much smarter than we are.

On 5/31/2022 at 1:03 PM, Mr.Bill347 said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/02/penny-not-going-away-yet/1958995/

USA Today story from NINE years ago.

On 5/31/2022 at 8:00 PM, RWB said:

The presumption is that the seller would always round up in their favor, thus causing the buyer to lose a small amount with every transaction.

This works, but only if customers are never allowed to purchase more than one item at a time. Once you start buying multiple items you're back to sometimes it rounds up and sometimes it rounds down.

On 5/31/2022 at 8:15 PM, VKurtB said:

If you’re going to suggest we can’t eliminate the cent AND the nickel, how could the Swiss?

The Swiss don't have a 25 rappen coin, they have a 20 rappen.

On 5/31/2022 at 8:15 PM, VKurtB said:

The only excuse is that taxes are in the shelf price, and not an add on.

And THAT does allow the prices to be set so that after tax it always rounds up, and the rounded up price is then posted.  Plus in this case purchasing more than one item DOES always result in higher profits for the merchant.  Having the sales tax built into the posted price DOES cheat the poor.  Set your prices so that after tax is applied it rounds up 2 cents and that allows the merchant to pocket an extra 2 cents on every single item you buy.

Yes they start with burnished planchets.  ALL planchets are burnished as part of the cleaning process.  But I think the frosty surfaces are the result of a slight etching of the die surfaces.

There are 10 different varieties of these holders

Redfield

Black with no grade, black with MS 60 grade, black with MS 60 grade changed to 63 with blue labeling tape, red with MS 65 grade Paramount International Coin Corp extends all the way across the insert, red with MS 65 grade Paramount International Coin Corp is smaller font ending about 1/2 inch from either edge of insert, red with MS 65 grade changed to 67 with red labeling tape, green with MS65+ grade

Non-Redfield

Black with MS 60 grade, red with MS 65 grade, green with MS 65+ grade

The two Redfield types with the labeling tape altered grades were altered on the insert BEFORE the slabs were sonically sealed. so they were done by Paramount not an after market alteration.

The green inserts are probably the most difficult ones to locate followed by the ones with the altered grades, then the red one with the smaller font Paramount etc.

The only variation I have not seen is a non Redfield with no grade because that holder would just say "US SILVER DOLLAR PARAMOUNT INTERNATIONAL etc"

Not yet, but I expect it's only a matter of time.

On 5/23/2022 at 4:41 PM, Alex in PA. said:

Will the US Mint make good on these, and other, poor products?

Yep, you send them back you'll get a refund.  Can't send you new coins, they don't have any.

On 5/18/2022 at 4:32 PM, VKurtB said:

The ugly flip side of direct submission. 

Yep.  The whole reason why originally you had to submit through an authorized dealer was to weed out stuff like this and to help keep novices from wasting their money on things not worth the submission fees.

On 5/14/2022 at 12:11 AM, Lisa8675309 said:

I am not sure what speaking mandarin near your coin means.

It's a joke referring to the fact that the piece is a Chinese counterfeit.

Yes an in the early years the Hammer was the obverse die.  They would not be likely to swap hammer and anvil during the because the dies are shaped differently and by not changing during the year you don't have to worry about pairing two obv or two reverse dies.  A swap between years could be possible but I'm not aware of them doing it.  But I will admit I haven't looked to see if a change was made.  Your confirmation of the Bush coin as having position B would suggest they didn't change (or they chaged and then changed back.)

It was attacked by a drill bit and a very fine coping saw blade.

It is hard to value error coins because every coin is unique.  You MIGHT be able to locate a SIMILAR piece that has been sold, but it will still be "different" and so could be worth a different amount.

You can also get the results seen on the OP coin with a fine brass wire wheel.

Don't get too excited over the 180 degree rotation.  There is at least one common1864 variety where all or almost all of the coins have a 180 degree rotated reverse.

On 5/8/2022 at 12:49 PM, N H Ourso said:

Sir your wrong on both not being disrespectful 1878 is 7TF REV79 an is certified as aPL

Certified by who?  It isn't in a recognized TPG holder so it is raw and not certified.  If it was in a holder at one time once it was removed it is no longer certified.

On 5/8/2022 at 1:12 PM, N H Ourso said:

they where my grandmother  an  pass them on to my grandchildren

And that gives them sentimental value that will always trump, at least for you, whatever retail or wholesale value they might have.

And the proofs are all position B.  r at least they were on the early President and NA dollars.   I won't guarantee it didn't change some time late, and i haven't checked the later ones.

With all those raised blemishes in the field I would strongly suspect counterfeit.

Yes the tokens were for making change.  In the early years of rationing the stamps were worth a set amount of points but items purchased  were often for a fewer number of points and there was no way to make change, so you just lost those points when you made a purchase.

On 5/2/2022 at 6:46 AM, thebeav said:

There is a letter combination that's a bit scarcer, but I don't think there are any that are particularly valuable. The blues are a little scarcer than the reds.

There are two letter combinations that have some value.  The red MM and the red MV.  The MM is relatively low value in the $5 - $10 range.  The MV can easily go for around $100.  When I first started collecting the OPA tokens there were only 24 MV tokens known.  More have turned up over the years and today there are probably 150 - 200 of them.  The blur tokens are a little scarcer and there are four blue tokens with combinations that start with W that are a little tougher, but not so much as to command a serious premium.

If you were to look for specialist in the Trade dollar you would probably need to get in contact with the Liberty Seated Collectors Club.  I know there are, or at least were, a couple of specialists in the group.

They stopped the multi-coin holders for the small submissions back in 2011.

On 4/14/2022 at 1:51 PM, VKurtB said:

I still don’t get it. Why counterfeit a 1922 plain? They’re common as dirt.

Because since they are common as dirt they don't get looked at closely which makes then easier to pass on to the unsuspecting.  If you can make the fakes at a cost of a dollar or so each and then sell them at around $30 you make a decent profit.  The key is, don't get greedy and you'll be able to sell a lot of them.

True, but in 1857 they really didn't think there would be any chance to recover material from 3 miles down.

The two tokens shown are just generic stock die arcade tokens.  Could have come from anywhere.

I've seen them on large cnets, Flying eagles, Indian heads and even a couple of wheat cents.  I also have one done on an AU 1835 half cent.  Somewhere in one of my computers I have an image of a near Mint state 1854 large cent in a PCGS slab.  It hd been slabbed in error, the serial number showed the code for an altered coin.  It was supposed to have been bodybagged, not slabbed.

On 4/2/2022 at 11:19 AM, VKurtB said:

The more I think about this, the more an inner void makes the most sense.

Would have to be one heck of a void to account for an over 2 gram weight loss.

On 4/8/2022 at 10:39 AM, ronnie stein said:

Most are real, some it's hard to tell. Early Gunsmoke, Wagon Tain, even the Three Stooges in the 30's from time to time.

What is fun is when the coin or note is an anachronism.  In one Gunsmoke they show the back of a $50 bill, a SMALL size $50 with the post 1929 back design.  In another one during a poker game there are two Saint-Gaudens double eagles laying on the table.  And finally in yet another poker game you see a silver dollar, a Peace dollar.  Gunsmoke is set in the 1870's