Revenant

1 hour ago, ColonialCoinsUK said:

1925 is your best bet for a high grade George V sovereign as most of these are actually restrikes - all my George V sovereigns are 'just' bullion!

Honestly, knowing this would make me just want to avoid a 1925. I've mostly been trying to focus on pre-WWI issues in building this unofficial type set I'm making of some European gold issues, but knowing it was probably really made post-WWII?

I think I'd rather have an MS63 from 1913 than an MS65 restrike from 1949-1951.

On 1/25/2020 at 7:31 PM, Master Of Coinage said:

Personally, I would love to own a Mint State 1916 Standing Liberty, but I don't think that's gonna happen any time soon. One can only dream. 

Wouldn't we all? That's basically the whole reason they're so dang expensive. Well, that and the whole thing with them being relatively rare.

Looks like a good result! 4 70's and only one 68. Can't be too disappointed at that with Libertads in my experience.

2 hours ago, gherrmann44 said:

Now the picture appears to be a little clearer. Today the ANA announced that they will have their own registry through NGC to include PCGS and NGC coins. I wonder if this will eventually open things up to PCGS world coins being included in the registry also.

I highly suspect that this is going to *eventually* replace the NGC registry and I'm not going to be surprised if 2020 proves to be the last year of the NGC Registry Awards with the ANA Registry Awards taking over in 2021.

NGC is footing the bill for this new registry and those new registry awards / categories are copied verbatim from the NGC Registry awards - even the bit about "over $20,000 in prizes." NGC is not going to continue developing and upgrading our 2 year old, half-complete "new" registry while they're also rolling out a new "cutting edge" registry for the ANA.

Yeah, the NGC registry is going to stay at NGCcoin.com - for a while / for now. Just like the fact that we still have the old collector's society page for the "old" registry while we have the half-complete "new" registry. But they're going to port / replicate all the NGC registry sets over there, and it makes no sense to maintain both of those systems, with all of that redundancy, long term once the ANA registry is up and running. It makes no sense to bother finishing this "new" registry when you're also going to have that one and everything here is going to be moved over there.

After the article came up about NGC suing that company for cheating them out of 5 Million I speculated that we might see a "NEW new Registry" because NGC might not be able to finish rolling out a registry based on that company's incomplete work - if that company really was working on the registry. This makes me think maybe I was right. 

I'd love to be wrong, because I don't want to see this place go and I don't want to see this place lose its identity to become part of the ANA, but I seriously think I'm going to be right.

I just buy new gold coins to celebrate having mine - after I finish paying to have my wife have support while delivering them.

1 hour ago, deposito said:

 

Revenant are there really some 1880s dated gold dutch non-ducat coins that are not in the NGC/PCGS population at all but were minted? 

Pop 0? I'm not aware of any but can't rule it out.

The NGC pop for the 1888 10G is about 25 pieces. Combined with PCGS it's about 60 pieces between the top two companies. Which, compared to some things, is decently high.

I sympathize in that I'm starting to hit up against a brick wall with my Netherlands 10G set. I got very lucky with the 1887 and 1888 but the 1880, 1885 and 1886... they just haven't shown up already graded - in 10 years of looking. So now I'm getting close to the point of looking at other options.

Nice to see you posting again!

Hopefully the reading on photography yields good results for you. I recently bought a ring-light for my wife to use for live-streaming / web-based teaching and I'm tempted to steal it from her temporarily and see how it does with coin photography.

I think the answer is always going to be "it depends" on these things, just like with Third-party grading itself. If you submit any modern coin and it gets a grade too low to be a desirable condition rarity then the value of the coin won't be increased and the grading won't pay off / pay for itself, but if you submit a coin and get a very high, conditionally rare grade, you win big.

If you submit a coin to CAC that doesn't have a major difference in price from one grade to the next grade up or down, getting the sticker or not isn't going to change the value much either - people are less sensitive to the 2nd option because going up or down a point matters a lot less. On the other hand, if you submit a coin where one point up or down can change the value by $500, $1000, or more, then getting the sticker could improve the confidence of the buyer in the grade and whether or not the coin is "good for the grade" and that could lead to higher value on resale.

At least, that's how I'd expect it to work. I've never owned a single coin with a CAC sticker and I've never submitted to them.

13 hours ago, Six Mile Rick said:

I also will not be building the 2019 nor 2020 mint sets.

What the mint has done since about 2007 with multiple quarter and dollar designs each year is just frustrating and kind of infuriating. My Sons have birth years of 2016 and 2019 and both of those mint sets are just... Silly.

5 hours ago, jackson64 said:

Rev-- I also have a set of these 2 oz coins. Since I only buy 1 each and keep them raw, I usually get them when released ( the 2020 White Lion coin was purchased a few months ago.) I actually saw the opposite happen with this series though, as the Falcon and a few other Beasts actually kept getting higher in price as time passed.

Looking at JMBullion ("Starting from" price):

2016 Lion of England: $54.38

2017 Griffin: $86.38 (Out of Stock)

2017 Dragon: $53.38

2018 Unicorn: $55.38

2018 Bull: $46.38

2019 Falcon: $42.38

2019 Yale: $41.98

2020 White Lion: $41.38

So it's definitely not monotonically increasing with age; but I'd say the overall trend is that the older ones cost more and, of course, once any of them go out of stock at the dealers, bets are off.

I could check other dealers for other data points but I'm feeling too lazy for that.  

So far, while I usually don't get the lowest prices, I've been staying up to date enough that I haven't gotten hit by any major price increases for shopping for "old" issues.

4 hours ago, rons said:

You are saving money by being a year behind the issue. I collect modern commemoratives and find that their price drops after the initial excitement has subsided. 

These things have an unlimited mintage and they're sold as bullion issues through the bullion dealers mostly. Because of this they don't go down after initial hype but they don't go up much either. You can get the 2020 issues for about $42, the 2019 issues for about $43-44. The 2016 and 2017 issues are more like $50-65 now.

12 hours ago, deposito said:

update - Heritage seems to have updated the offer to "$1,050 on January 10, 2020" which was rejected

crisis averted

Mkay. Makes sense. They were probably trying to add the zeros after the decimal and didn't add the decimal.

That's a very nice display for a larger set.

Congrats on the feature!

You'll want to contact NGC directly, probably through registry@ngccoin.com, and ask them. Include the certification number and all other information about the coin - basically, whatever information is on the slab label I'd make sure they have. They'll look into it for you and fix it if the problem is on their end.

7 hours ago, Naked Angel said:

Hey Revenant, I'm glad you went to that show and found something you like, and thanks for the shout out!  That's a really nice buffalo nickel too.  

No problem! Thanks for pointing me in the direction of the show. And I agree on the nickel.

5 hours ago, Just Bob said:

Reading posts on other chatboards makes me think that some people are convinced that all of the coins worth owning are already in slabs. From my experience, this is far from being true. The last show I attended had thousands of raw coins of all types, including lots of gold. The patient, smart buyer still has plenty of opportunities to find really choice coins, often for a good price.

 

Indeed and I'd say that was probably the case here. This is something I'm giving some thought to and which I'll probably continue to give some thought to now that I have a grading credit to play around with thanks to NGC.

5 hours ago, Just Bob said:

It is nice to see a picture of a hand holding a coin that has clean, trimmed fingernails, too. That has not been the norm around here these last few years.

Hmmm.... not sure what to say there, but I like having clean hands and I really don't like handling coins - graded or otherwise - when my hands aren't clean. I also have a couple of boys I need to raise to have certain standards.

I don't think I'd grade everything I got from my grandfather just because it's his. Grading can be expensive and for lower value coins things like air tite capsules can do the job well for less money and take up less space.

Completely up to you if you want to do it though.

7 hours ago, gherrmann44 said:

What a neat anniversary gift. Better yet, you bought it together. I'm just betting you had a special surprise planned for your wife! 

It was nice going with her for sure. Some old men in the coin shop were quite amused by Sam and his babbling.

She got 8 bottles of wine, 2 bags of Lindt chocolate, a practical gift and a fun gift. I gave her the presents 3 days early so she could use it all this week. After the coin shop we grabbed lunch together.

I'd say she's been pleased.

4 hours ago, Naked Angel said:

Congrats Revenant!  I too like to read your journals, they're always interesting.

Thanks!

3 hours ago, Zebo said:

Makes sense - thanks

Of course, you're completely free to do whatever you want with it. There's never been a clearly defined, "This is the way."

55 minutes ago, Coinbuf said:

That's awesome that the award comes with the grading credit, congrats!  Its a cool award anyway but that is a nice kicker.

"I have a couple of ideas for how I’m going to put that to use – one is rather likely to happen if I can find a way to make it work. More on that later."

Your going to allow each member of the board (who has a set just behind one of yours) to submit coins on you.  

Hmmm.... I'm prepared to accept donations... What you gonna send me? … To... submit... on your behalf... not keep forever.  

24 minutes ago, Zebo said:

Question for you all - I haven't really paid all that much attention to journals in the past and just posted my first this year. How do you decide whether to post a journal or a regular post in the U.S./World section? What is the difference, or intended difference, between the two?

If my main goal is to start a conversation or ask for information from others in this community, I'll make a post in the forums. If my main reason for posting is to share or record something about my life or my progress on a goal or project, I'll post it to a journal. Somethings can easily go either place - like there's no reason why a post about a new purchase can't go in either place, but I'll normally post that to the journals, especially if it's a new purchase for a set I talk about a lot.

Ultimately the goal of the Journals for me is to tell a story both internally to each post and across the span of the entries with certain topics, threads and themes showing up repeatedly, but not all of them in every post. The journal also becomes a kind of log, with all the posts kept together long term in one place where I can go back and look at them and find them later if I want. When I'm posting / starting a new thread in the forums I'm not trying to have that post have any connective tissue to any of my other posts and I'm probably not going to care if I can find that post again 6 months, 1 year, or 3 years from now.

4 minutes ago, Lastufka Collection said:

 Also, that's a nice 10G!

Thanks! One of only two of that date I've ever seen come up for sale and one I was very lucky to get to nab.

I'd be careful about blanket generalizations like "the date always goes on the obverse" - especially when you're getting into non-government issues, which may not feel the need to follow anyone else's "rules."

With the Netherlands 10G coins I collect, the date, mint mark and privy mark are all on the Reverse - because I don't think the side of the coin with the king's face is going to be the Reverse in this case.

30 minutes ago, Eagles Nest said:

Congradulations!

I always enjoy reading your posts. 

Thank you! Always good to hear.

3 minutes ago, Lastufka Collection said:

Congrats! Glad they didn't do away with it, I love reading everyone's journal!

Thanks! And agreed 100% - I'm glad it's continuing. Even if they ditch the award though I could see the journals themselves continuing and those of us who enjoy it continuing to use it - as several of us thought was the case anyway.

5 minutes ago, gherrmann44 said:

Ahh, $500 for the journal guys? I hadn't heard that but if it's true, yi-hah!  Congratulations Revenant! I also thought the journal awards got the kibosh. I was happy to discover last Friday otherwise.  Gary.

I'm not surprised you hadn't heard / realized. It's not something that seems to be getting any fanfare or attention. If you read the announcement they just list the Journals along with all the other major award categories and say that all of these awards get the plaques and the $500 credit:

Since the journal awards were never included in this I sent them a message just to make sure I wasn't going funny in the head in my not-so-old age.  

Also, your profile is starting to look like the chest of some old general's parade uniform:

Congrats again, Gary! I vaguely remember when you started posting here and 11 some-odd years later you're still a major fixture of this place and have been consistently.

16 minutes ago, Naked Angel said:

 And if you’re anywhere near Houston....

Interesting... If my wife follows through with plans to take the kids to her parents house on Saturday I might try to go to that for a little while. Thanks for the information!

As I've said elsewhere, I'm just not at a stage in my life where I get to go to coin shows or even an LCS often but that time will hopefully come again. In the mean time I'm mostly forced to be content with the Registry, eBay and dealer websites. I'm not aware of any major shows that Texas hosts.

It sounds like you had a good time though. I'm not sure I'd want to know what you call a good price on that set. Those can be expensive from what I've seen.