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I think the logic is that since the coin lacks a prominent feature of the real McCoy, it would be considered an art creation. However, I'm pretty sure someone passing it off as legal tender could not fall back on that. In other words, it's illegal to possess or pass counterfeit money. If the modified reverse means it's not a US coin, just having it's no big deal. If however someone tries to pay with it, that could possibly be construed as fraud.

I think the logic is that since the coin lacks a prominent feature of the real McCoy, it would be considered an art creation. However, I'm pretty sure someone passing it off as legal tender could not fall back on that. In other words, it's illegal to possess or pass counterfeit money. If the modified reverse means it's not a US coin, just having it's no big deal. If however someone tries to pay with it, that could possibly be construed as fraud.

I think the logic is that since the coin lacks a prominent feature of the real McCoy, it would be considered an art creation. However, I'm pretty sure someone passing it off as legal tender could not fall back on that. In other words, it's illegal to possess or pass counterfeit money. If the modified reverse means it's not a US coin, just having it's no big deal. If however someone tries to pay with it, that could possibly be construed as fraud.

No.

We're being trolled. No one is this clueless, not even in Murrica.

We're being trolled. No one is this clueless, not even in Murrica.

We're being trolled. No one is this clueless, not even in Murrica.

It is worth $0.10.

I thought "no" was a pretty clear, unambiguous answer, thank you very much. Not sure how anyone could be clearer.
You did not ask "and why?" but I'll go ahead and tell you. Because from the first view, even though we did not get full photos, I could see that it was a 1970s D Kennedy, circulated. That told me it was worth fifty cents. The mechanical doubling was an obvious irrelevancy (granted, not to novices, but to experienced collectors). If you put $50 into having it graded, it wouldn't make it easier to sell because serious collectors know it's not worth $0.51; thus the $50 would be a sunk cost that potential buyers would describe as "Wow, NGC really took that guy."
Or I could have just said "No." Which I did, because none of the qualifiers really matter. It's like asking if throwing a hamster in the air will help it to fly. One can either say "no," or one can waste everyone's time by painfully explaining that hamsters cannot fly.
So. No. Simple, economical, and in hopes of not wasting any more of either of our time on a subject that can't go anywhere.

No.

I thought "no" was a pretty clear, unambiguous answer, thank you very much. Not sure how anyone could be clearer.
You did not ask "and why?" but I'll go ahead and tell you. Because from the first view, even though we did not get full photos, I could see that it was a 1970s D Kennedy, circulated. That told me it was worth fifty cents. The mechanical doubling was an obvious irrelevancy (granted, not to novices, but to experienced collectors). If you put $50 into having it graded, it wouldn't make it easier to sell because serious collectors know it's not worth $0.51; thus the $50 would be a sunk cost that potential buyers would describe as "Wow, NGC really took that guy."
Or I could have just said "No." Which I did, because none of the qualifiers really matter. It's like asking if throwing a hamster in the air will help it to fly. One can either say "no," or one can waste everyone's time by painfully explaining that hamsters cannot fly.
So. No. Simple, economical, and in hopes of not wasting any more of either of our time on a subject that can't go anywhere.

I thought "no" was a pretty clear, unambiguous answer, thank you very much. Not sure how anyone could be clearer.
You did not ask "and why?" but I'll go ahead and tell you. Because from the first view, even though we did not get full photos, I could see that it was a 1970s D Kennedy, circulated. That told me it was worth fifty cents. The mechanical doubling was an obvious irrelevancy (granted, not to novices, but to experienced collectors). If you put $50 into having it graded, it wouldn't make it easier to sell because serious collectors know it's not worth $0.51; thus the $50 would be a sunk cost that potential buyers would describe as "Wow, NGC really took that guy."
Or I could have just said "No." Which I did, because none of the qualifiers really matter. It's like asking if throwing a hamster in the air will help it to fly. One can either say "no," or one can waste everyone's time by painfully explaining that hamsters cannot fly.
So. No. Simple, economical, and in hopes of not wasting any more of either of our time on a subject that can't go anywhere.

A good example is railroad tracks. Not only will people try to race the train--as any thinking person can see, not a great idea--but we require signs (at least where I live) telling people not to stop their cars on the tracks. And even then people still do it. When I see it, I am torn between hoping a train comes along so that Darwin can improve the gene pool, and hoping one doesn't because the offenders would probably either panic and wreck every car around them, or fail to notice and have their car rammed into others who do not deserve it.
Another. Every day, on my local BegsDoor, the same people whine for money. All negative events are excuses for a gofundme. Had COVID? "Give to me!" Car broke down? "Give to me!" Can't afford to take care of my pet's vet needs? "Give to me!" Don't want to work even though a fern with a felony record could get hired at a stop-and-rob or McDogfood's? "Give to me!" And people keep giving to them. Every time. That's the low-level scam: the begging, the explosion of tip requests on credit card taps, and so on.
One I've reposted a few times is a local Craigslist dude who has a somewhat browned quarter he claims is bronze and therefore wants, what is it...$700 nowadays. On the positive side, he's been at it for at least two years and still doesn't seem able to sell his quarter, so that's at least good. Anyone who wants to email him to yank his chain, don't look at me to discourage you.

A good example is railroad tracks. Not only will people try to race the train--as any thinking person can see, not a great idea--but we require signs (at least where I live) telling people not to stop their cars on the tracks. And even then people still do it. When I see it, I am torn between hoping a train comes along so that Darwin can improve the gene pool, and hoping one doesn't because the offenders would probably either panic and wreck every car around them, or fail to notice and have their car rammed into others who do not deserve it.
Another. Every day, on my local BegsDoor, the same people whine for money. All negative events are excuses for a gofundme. Had COVID? "Give to me!" Car broke down? "Give to me!" Can't afford to take care of my pet's vet needs? "Give to me!" Don't want to work even though a fern with a felony record could get hired at a stop-and-rob or McDogfood's? "Give to me!" And people keep giving to them. Every time. That's the low-level scam: the begging, the explosion of tip requests on credit card taps, and so on.
One I've reposted a few times is a local Craigslist dude who has a somewhat browned quarter he claims is bronze and therefore wants, what is it...$700 nowadays. On the positive side, he's been at it for at least two years and still doesn't seem able to sell his quarter, so that's at least good. Anyone who wants to email him to yank his chain, don't look at me to discourage you.

A good example is railroad tracks. Not only will people try to race the train--as any thinking person can see, not a great idea--but we require signs (at least where I live) telling people not to stop their cars on the tracks. And even then people still do it. When I see it, I am torn between hoping a train comes along so that Darwin can improve the gene pool, and hoping one doesn't because the offenders would probably either panic and wreck every car around them, or fail to notice and have their car rammed into others who do not deserve it.
Another. Every day, on my local BegsDoor, the same people whine for money. All negative events are excuses for a gofundme. Had COVID? "Give to me!" Car broke down? "Give to me!" Can't afford to take care of my pet's vet needs? "Give to me!" Don't want to work even though a fern with a felony record could get hired at a stop-and-rob or McDogfood's? "Give to me!" And people keep giving to them. Every time. That's the low-level scam: the begging, the explosion of tip requests on credit card taps, and so on.
One I've reposted a few times is a local Craigslist dude who has a somewhat browned quarter he claims is bronze and therefore wants, what is it...$700 nowadays. On the positive side, he's been at it for at least two years and still doesn't seem able to sell his quarter, so that's at least good. Anyone who wants to email him to yank his chain, don't look at me to discourage you.

Definitely not.

Definitely not.

Tough lesson, indeed. Very spendy one. Sorry to hear of it.
When I look at the general phenomenon, I think it comes down to a complete and perhaps engineered decline of critical thinking.
In 1965, the US Mint mostly did away with silver in circulation coinage. They minted a lot in 1965 because they had to; the silver started coming out of circulation as fast as people could hoard it, and the commerce needed change. (Now those people are retiring, and are shocked to find out that it's not worth all that much.) So, it was easy to sift through one's change to get higher value...briefly. Soon the silver finds became rare. By my collecting beginning, circa 1970, they were pretty well cleaned out with an occasional leaker. Best silver odds were still war nickels, because so few people realized they had a little less silver than a silver dime.
If it were that easy to just sift through one's change and pull out coins that were worth tens or hundreds of dollars, enough people would do that as well, and it would not take very long before all such coins were out of circulation. Ergo, it can't be that easy to just cherrypick Rare Error Varieties, or everyone would do it. Critical Thinking 101.
We get a few every day, and we try to let them down gently unless they become phalli. In addition to the complete collapse of critical thinking, we get people (not the OP) who just can't let go of it. They argue, debate, point out some problem they don't actually understand but are certain they do, whip out ten more coins (always posted in the same thread, naturally), and insist that they are now rich. We tell them to send 'em in and get rich. We never hear back that they got rich.
The fact is cherrypicking can be fun, and some people gradually develop modest collections of RPMs and such. And as long as people are not thinking Big Bucks, and so long as they are not paying $60 per coin to be told they are worth only face, that's not such a big deal.
And with regard to the other CT aspect of the whole pursuit, I wonder why it's never occurred to people how much authentic coin they could buy for those grading costs. If six coins is about $300, that'll buy a pleasing GSA 188x-CC Morgan, MS 62+. Not bad! I'd rather have that than the plastic. But that so rarely seems to occur to people.

Tough lesson, indeed. Very spendy one. Sorry to hear of it.
When I look at the general phenomenon, I think it comes down to a complete and perhaps engineered decline of critical thinking.
In 1965, the US Mint mostly did away with silver in circulation coinage. They minted a lot in 1965 because they had to; the silver started coming out of circulation as fast as people could hoard it, and the commerce needed change. (Now those people are retiring, and are shocked to find out that it's not worth all that much.) So, it was easy to sift through one's change to get higher value...briefly. Soon the silver finds became rare. By my collecting beginning, circa 1970, they were pretty well cleaned out with an occasional leaker. Best silver odds were still war nickels, because so few people realized they had a little less silver than a silver dime.
If it were that easy to just sift through one's change and pull out coins that were worth tens or hundreds of dollars, enough people would do that as well, and it would not take very long before all such coins were out of circulation. Ergo, it can't be that easy to just cherrypick Rare Error Varieties, or everyone would do it. Critical Thinking 101.
We get a few every day, and we try to let them down gently unless they become phalli. In addition to the complete collapse of critical thinking, we get people (not the OP) who just can't let go of it. They argue, debate, point out some problem they don't actually understand but are certain they do, whip out ten more coins (always posted in the same thread, naturally), and insist that they are now rich. We tell them to send 'em in and get rich. We never hear back that they got rich.
The fact is cherrypicking can be fun, and some people gradually develop modest collections of RPMs and such. And as long as people are not thinking Big Bucks, and so long as they are not paying $60 per coin to be told they are worth only face, that's not such a big deal.
And with regard to the other CT aspect of the whole pursuit, I wonder why it's never occurred to people how much authentic coin they could buy for those grading costs. If six coins is about $300, that'll buy a pleasing GSA 188x-CC Morgan, MS 62+. Not bad! I'd rather have that than the plastic. But that so rarely seems to occur to people.

Tough lesson, indeed. Very spendy one. Sorry to hear of it.
When I look at the general phenomenon, I think it comes down to a complete and perhaps engineered decline of critical thinking.
In 1965, the US Mint mostly did away with silver in circulation coinage. They minted a lot in 1965 because they had to; the silver started coming out of circulation as fast as people could hoard it, and the commerce needed change. (Now those people are retiring, and are shocked to find out that it's not worth all that much.) So, it was easy to sift through one's change to get higher value...briefly. Soon the silver finds became rare. By my collecting beginning, circa 1970, they were pretty well cleaned out with an occasional leaker. Best silver odds were still war nickels, because so few people realized they had a little less silver than a silver dime.
If it were that easy to just sift through one's change and pull out coins that were worth tens or hundreds of dollars, enough people would do that as well, and it would not take very long before all such coins were out of circulation. Ergo, it can't be that easy to just cherrypick Rare Error Varieties, or everyone would do it. Critical Thinking 101.
We get a few every day, and we try to let them down gently unless they become phalli. In addition to the complete collapse of critical thinking, we get people (not the OP) who just can't let go of it. They argue, debate, point out some problem they don't actually understand but are certain they do, whip out ten more coins (always posted in the same thread, naturally), and insist that they are now rich. We tell them to send 'em in and get rich. We never hear back that they got rich.
The fact is cherrypicking can be fun, and some people gradually develop modest collections of RPMs and such. And as long as people are not thinking Big Bucks, and so long as they are not paying $60 per coin to be told they are worth only face, that's not such a big deal.
And with regard to the other CT aspect of the whole pursuit, I wonder why it's never occurred to people how much authentic coin they could buy for those grading costs. If six coins is about $300, that'll buy a pleasing GSA 188x-CC Morgan, MS 62+. Not bad! I'd rather have that than the plastic. But that so rarely seems to occur to people.

Thanks for telling us how we should talk to people. We never get proper education from brand new people on how we ought to handle things, so it's good to have a qualified person setting us straight.
While you're doing that, bear in mind a couple of things:
Sometimes what you are seeing is a response/reference to someone not the OP, in which you might or might not understand why they might have earned some sarcasm. And yes, I'm talking about my wang dang reference.
Some of us have been doing this for a number of years and have worn a little thin in playing kissy-face with spoiled brats. A spoiled brat is someone who comes in, asks a question, and (pick all that apply) a) expects an immediate answer; b) wants their rear end kissed just for existing; c) argues with highly qualified people who helped them out of the goodness of their hearts; d) becomes a major Massengill Canoe when it is pointed out to them that they've just said or done something that is jerkier than the Reser Smokehouse.
It is true that, now and then, we have regulars who get rude before they have just cause. For example, it's a myth that there are no stoopid questions. There are many and no one could be here long without grasping that. However, there are mildly dufey questions and there are blatantly, offensively dufey questions. For example, posting a thread named after oneself, asking about a coin, but failing to add a photo of it--yeah, that's pretty dufey. Anyone like that will never learn from being sucked up to. They probably will never learn at all, but they certainly haven't earned any goodwill. But the people that just ask the same question fifty other people asked this month, in good faith, prepared to accept whatever input we have--those people deserve respectful treatment, and it annoys me when they get jumped. Those who do jump them should be ashamed of themselves.
It is also true that we have a few narcissists here who are certain that their hobby, the way they collect, is the only way to collect and that no other methods are valid. I'm usually the one pointing that out to them, when I can summon the energy to waste (they never learn). If you see that, make sure to set them straight as well. It won't help, but it'll be entertaining.

Thanks for telling us how we should talk to people. We never get proper education from brand new people on how we ought to handle things, so it's good to have a qualified person setting us straight.
While you're doing that, bear in mind a couple of things:
Sometimes what you are seeing is a response/reference to someone not the OP, in which you might or might not understand why they might have earned some sarcasm. And yes, I'm talking about my wang dang reference.
Some of us have been doing this for a number of years and have worn a little thin in playing kissy-face with spoiled brats. A spoiled brat is someone who comes in, asks a question, and (pick all that apply) a) expects an immediate answer; b) wants their rear end kissed just for existing; c) argues with highly qualified people who helped them out of the goodness of their hearts; d) becomes a major Massengill Canoe when it is pointed out to them that they've just said or done something that is jerkier than the Reser Smokehouse.
It is true that, now and then, we have regulars who get rude before they have just cause. For example, it's a myth that there are no stoopid questions. There are many and no one could be here long without grasping that. However, there are mildly dufey questions and there are blatantly, offensively dufey questions. For example, posting a thread named after oneself, asking about a coin, but failing to add a photo of it--yeah, that's pretty dufey. Anyone like that will never learn from being sucked up to. They probably will never learn at all, but they certainly haven't earned any goodwill. But the people that just ask the same question fifty other people asked this month, in good faith, prepared to accept whatever input we have--those people deserve respectful treatment, and it annoys me when they get jumped. Those who do jump them should be ashamed of themselves.
It is also true that we have a few narcissists here who are certain that their hobby, the way they collect, is the only way to collect and that no other methods are valid. I'm usually the one pointing that out to them, when I can summon the energy to waste (they never learn). If you see that, make sure to set them straight as well. It won't help, but it'll be entertaining.

Thanks for telling us how we should talk to people. We never get proper education from brand new people on how we ought to handle things, so it's good to have a qualified person setting us straight.
While you're doing that, bear in mind a couple of things:
Sometimes what you are seeing is a response/reference to someone not the OP, in which you might or might not understand why they might have earned some sarcasm. And yes, I'm talking about my wang dang reference.
Some of us have been doing this for a number of years and have worn a little thin in playing kissy-face with spoiled brats. A spoiled brat is someone who comes in, asks a question, and (pick all that apply) a) expects an immediate answer; b) wants their rear end kissed just for existing; c) argues with highly qualified people who helped them out of the goodness of their hearts; d) becomes a major Massengill Canoe when it is pointed out to them that they've just said or done something that is jerkier than the Reser Smokehouse.
It is true that, now and then, we have regulars who get rude before they have just cause. For example, it's a myth that there are no stoopid questions. There are many and no one could be here long without grasping that. However, there are mildly dufey questions and there are blatantly, offensively dufey questions. For example, posting a thread named after oneself, asking about a coin, but failing to add a photo of it--yeah, that's pretty dufey. Anyone like that will never learn from being sucked up to. They probably will never learn at all, but they certainly haven't earned any goodwill. But the people that just ask the same question fifty other people asked this month, in good faith, prepared to accept whatever input we have--those people deserve respectful treatment, and it annoys me when they get jumped. Those who do jump them should be ashamed of themselves.
It is also true that we have a few narcissists here who are certain that their hobby, the way they collect, is the only way to collect and that no other methods are valid. I'm usually the one pointing that out to them, when I can summon the energy to waste (they never learn). If you see that, make sure to set them straight as well. It won't help, but it'll be entertaining.

Thanks for telling us how we should talk to people. We never get proper education from brand new people on how we ought to handle things, so it's good to have a qualified person setting us straight.
While you're doing that, bear in mind a couple of things:
Sometimes what you are seeing is a response/reference to someone not the OP, in which you might or might not understand why they might have earned some sarcasm. And yes, I'm talking about my wang dang reference.
Some of us have been doing this for a number of years and have worn a little thin in playing kissy-face with spoiled brats. A spoiled brat is someone who comes in, asks a question, and (pick all that apply) a) expects an immediate answer; b) wants their rear end kissed just for existing; c) argues with highly qualified people who helped them out of the goodness of their hearts; d) becomes a major Massengill Canoe when it is pointed out to them that they've just said or done something that is jerkier than the Reser Smokehouse.
It is true that, now and then, we have regulars who get rude before they have just cause. For example, it's a myth that there are no stoopid questions. There are many and no one could be here long without grasping that. However, there are mildly dufey questions and there are blatantly, offensively dufey questions. For example, posting a thread named after oneself, asking about a coin, but failing to add a photo of it--yeah, that's pretty dufey. Anyone like that will never learn from being sucked up to. They probably will never learn at all, but they certainly haven't earned any goodwill. But the people that just ask the same question fifty other people asked this month, in good faith, prepared to accept whatever input we have--those people deserve respectful treatment, and it annoys me when they get jumped. Those who do jump them should be ashamed of themselves.
It is also true that we have a few narcissists here who are certain that their hobby, the way they collect, is the only way to collect and that no other methods are valid. I'm usually the one pointing that out to them, when I can summon the energy to waste (they never learn). If you see that, make sure to set them straight as well. It won't help, but it'll be entertaining.

A little less than a 1964 silver quarter.