Fenntucky Mike

Saw this over at MyCollect.

Fantastic pieces, congratulations on being able to acquire them.

If you can provide clear cropped images of both sides of the coin members may be able to make a better determination of what you have, there are a few varieties that can be identified without a date if I remember correctly. If attempts at identification using die markers fails there are ways to try and make the date visible again but the coin will be considered damaged afterwards.

Something being unique does not necessarily add any value, certainly in this case it does not. No, having this coin certified would not be worth it if that's what you are asking. I would only value this piece at 25¢.

Possibly a die chip, hard to tell in those photos though.

Mule, Bahama obv with NZ rev. 1967.

I was surprised to see them laser scanning the clay models of the eagles to be used in the design, I would have thought everything was designed digitally. Also, I probably should have known this but I never stopped to think that the outer ring on bimetallic coins was prepped, I'm guessing the ID is readied/cleared prior to the center slug being placed.

The coin is not bad looking but I enjoyed the making of video more. It showed most, if not all, of the steps in making a bimetallic, dodecagon coin.

Send the coin to PCGS and quit whining, NGC is not going to reverse their policy on this. I took a look over at the PCGS population report and it looks like they've only ever graded one 1882, 20 lire "red" gold variety coin. Since, based on OP's avatar, it looks to be in an older generation holder, I'd be very surprised if PCGS still recognizes this variety.

Ha! Hey, he's still kicking around and I think I read that he's on a daytime soap currently. Amazing that he's still that active at his age.

I think it will be pretty neat if I can figure out how to do what I have bouncing around in my head. I also suspect that I can embed the map onto the collectors society webpage in a custom set, which would be amazing if I can pull it off. Right now I'm trying to go the free route but I may end up having to pay for a one month's subscription to a website or pony up for some software, which wouldn't be to bad as long as we're not talking crazy $'s for what I want to do. Still reaching out to a few people I know to see if anything else is available, thought I'd give it a try here to see if anyone had some experience with this type of thing but I figured I'd strikeout. No worries. Maybe it'll give others some ideas at the very least.

I thought Van Dyke when I first saw this and now I can't stop.

Merry Christmas!

I was thinking of creating an interactive/informative map for the tokens I collect, I've been messing around a bit with Google Maps and Genially this morning, Genially is ok, but I was wondering if anyone has done something similar and what they used to create it? Basically I want to generate an interactive map and place pins where businesses were that used tokens and have text and images available when clicked, right now I'm testing on a county level but may want to break it down further so that the first layer is the county map, you click on a city pin which brings you down to a city map where more pins are placed on the businesses and you click on the business pins and images of the tokens and maybe businesses themselves pop up along with text. Something like that. Any help is appreciated. Here is Google Maps, it's a little easier to work with but I had to use their maps which I don't want to do. Here is the Genially map, I was able to upload an image of an 1873 plat map to use which is more along the lines of how I want it to look. https://view.genial.ly/65871cb678f80a001516dbaa/interactive-image-tokens-of-allegan-county-michigan

This is almost certainly a medal or commemorative souvenir of some sort, if you can provide clear pictures of the complete text people may be able to narrow the choices down. Is there any edge lettering on the piece?

I agree with HC in that this may not be a coin, I don't think it is. It looks like there may be some text at the top of the piece in the second pic, if you can provide better images we might be able to get a little further in the investigation.

A cud is a die break at the edge of the die. I always have trouble telling raised from incuse in images, if it's raised then I venture to guess that it is a foreign substance on the coin, if incuse then probably damage MAYBE struck-through. If you are at some point able to post images of the entire coin obv and rev that would be a great help. Unless better images are provided I'd say it's not worth grading and the value would be one cent. You can try soaking this in acetone and see what happens, if a foreign substance like glue is on the coin acetone should dissolve it.

A 180 die rotation is probably the most desirable of this type of error and I'd expect that it would bring a small premium but nothing outrageous. Yes, I would say that this type of error, 180 deg rotation, is fairly rare but might be more common on older coinage like this, many pieces of this type may have some rotation, if not 180. Rare does not equal valuable and that might be the case for a piece like this. Below are the pictures from DLRC.

Makes sense. The first coin has a distracting copper spot on the obv. and that ridiculous label, the second coin seems to have less visible detail on the obv and is in an NGC holder, three and four you're splitting hairs but I do like the look of four better than three. Since #2 seems a little weaker let's say that suppressed the price a few hundred, is 1k a typical spread between PCGS and NGC? Maybe the bidder on the PCGS coin needed a Christmas present for someone ASAP.

Just No. You're not going to get a different response by posting the same coin and false statements months later. It's a normal cent, period.

Damage, I'm not seeing anything else. The copper plating has been worn off exposing the zinc core which is deteriorating. Possibly a dryer coin. Worth face value.

Correct, the coin is not worth having graded. You would never recoup the grading fees.

It was removed because you essentially asked for it to be removed and called it a "fake registry line". They already told you that they do not differentiate between the two and since there are no "Red" examples graded by NGC it's an easy decision for them to make, *POOF*, your request was granted. You know what the coin is and any serious collector of these will know what the coin is, don't get hung up on the little piece of paper. You can create a custom registry set or include images in the regular registry of both varieties in the 1882 slot with a nice written description of the difference between the two. I normally do the latter with varieties that NGC does not recognize.

Not if you're turning and burning coins through to make a buck. Maybe if the OP agreed to pay for the NGC Metallurgic Analysis, cost $75, NGC might change their mind. Is it really worth the cost though? I'd guess not.

They must know something we don't, or they can't guarantee authentication without exorbitant expense?