Fenntucky Mike

Mark, I haven't had a chance to look into these more but if I can find some time this morning before the games start I'll poke around post what I find here.

I believe Roger was talking about the die trial coins in the RM auction, HERE, and not the Pyx coins but he'll have to speak to that. I agree that the die trial pieces are a bit contrived but trial pieces they are none the less, it says so right on them. Image of one of the die trial coins being auction by the RM.

Yep, maybe not in all circumstances depending on the type of packaging and capabilities of the mint they were produced at but from what I've seen the proofs get placed into the same or similar grey tray then the tray goes onto a cart and rolled over to the packaging line where the process is automated. I'm not saying that what appears to be a mark on the OP's coin was absolutely caused by a suction cup used during packaging, but it's possible. I wouldn't think that the cup would be rigid enough to displace metal but it might leave a smudge or deposit some debris, something along those lines. Below is a video of proof sets being packaged in San Fran.

If I need a scope to see doubling then it just ain't worth looking at in the first place. It was nice to see the close up of the MM in the other thread though.

The mint mark took a hard hit which scraped the metal off the top and deposited it at the base, your image says it better than I ever could. Looks like there maybe a die chip in the MM, a curiosity but of no added value.

First things first, is it a counterfeit? According to NGC this is the 9th most counterfeited coin.! It looks like it has the "die lump" in the right place and the details seem sharp, idk, the obv seems flat and lifeless. I'm leaning towards it not being authentic, just doesn't look quite right to me. Others will jump in soon. Hope I'm wrong.

I don't know what reference the MB #'s are used in (presumably Krause?), that being said the table I posted is from a book published by the Czech Numismatic Society so I'm pretty sure that it will not cross to which ever reference the MB#'s are in. Again, it wouldn't surprise me if several varieties are lumped under one MB# as those seem to be base on where the coins were produced. I'll take a look at Krause when I get a min later tonight and if I can find it again I'll post the link for the CNS book, it's available to download. I think your piece is most likely MB-240 due to the similarity of the MM to one used in Prague and the date. I don't think the MM on your piece resembles the one used by Hans Spiess but you have the coin in hand and, as I said, the dies were made by hand and some artistic license taken.

Whatever cachet the RM had flew the coop a while ago, probably around decimalization time and the move to Llantrisant. The RM is suppling these trinkets.

Looks like it is probably MB-240 to me. I think the MB #'s are broke down by mint for these, MB-240 being Prague, and are identified by the mintmaster's mark of which there can be several. The MM most closely resembles that of Tobias Gebhardt but on your coin the MM is not within a shield, not necessarily a deal breaker but I'd do some more research on that. Your coin does not need to exactly match another MB-240 coin, there will be differences, varieties, within these groupings based on what I'm seeing. I believe each die was handmade at the time and no two will be exact. Below is a list of legend varieties for Maley Groschen during the time of Rudolf II, published by the Czech Numismatic Society. If google translate is correct, your coin is a match for 6a which puts it at either Prague or Kuttenberg (MB-250) based on the date, which looks like 1580.? Hard to tell in the pics. Hopefully this gives you a path forward and that someone more familiar with these will jump in. 1) bez o p isu (Č .S.162) 2) RVD.II.D.G.R.I.S.A.G.H.B.REX (Č .S.183) 3) RVD .II.D.G.R.I.A.G.H.B.REX (K u p fe r ta b . 17/4) 4) R VDO .II.D .G .R .I.S .A .G .H .B .R . (K u p fe r ta b . 17/8) 5) R VDO L .II.D .G .I.S .A .G .H .B .R E (sb írka H a n .) 6a) RVDOL .II.D.G.R.I.S.A .H.B.R (Č .S.186) 6b) RVDOL.II.D.G.R.I.S.A.H.B.RE (Č .S.187) 6c) RVDOL.II.D.G.R.I.S.A.H.B.REX (Č .S.189) 6d ) RVDOL .II.D .G .R .I.S .A .H .BO .R E (sb írka H a n .) 6e) R VDO L .II.D .G .R .I.S .A .H .BO .R FX (Č .S.193) 6f) RVDOL.II.D.G.R.I.S.A.HV.B.REX (sb írka H a n .) 6g) RVDOL .II.D .G .R .I.S .A .H V .BO .R E (sbírka H a n .) 7a) R VDO L .II.D .G .R .I.S .A .G .H .B .R (Č .S.150) 7b) R VDOL .II.D.G.R.I.S .A.G .H .B .RE (Č .S.155) 7c) RVDOL.II.D.G.R.I.S .A.G .H .B .RE X (Č .S.148) 7d) R V D O L .II.D .G .R .I.S .A .G .H .BO .R (sb írka N o vá k ) 7e) R VDOL .II.D.G.R.I.S .A.G E.H .B.R (Č .S.159) 7f) R V D O L .II.D .G .RO .I.S .A .G .H .B .R (Č .S.164) 7g) R V D O L .II.D .G .R O .I.S .A .G .H .BO .R (sbírka H a n .) 8) RVDOL .II.D.G.R.I.S.G.H.B.REX (D o n . 1664) 9) RVDOL.II.D.G.R.I.S.G.B.REX (D o n . 1690) 10) RVDOL .II.D .G .R .I.A .H .B .R (D o n .1728)

The coins are so beat up from handling I wonder why they bother to wear gloves. I believe SB/NGC gave all of the coins adjectival grades due to condition. Who wants a PF60 coin when you can own a "Brilliant Proof" coin? It will be interesting to see what some of these go for since most, if not all, of the coins are ruined. Below are images from the SB website of one of the Pyx coins.

The Royal Mint has been dumping a lot of "specialized" material onto the market over the last few years, even holding their own auctions and looking for consignments. The RM currently has a trial piece auction open for bidding, HERE, and 2023 Trial of the Pyx coins consigned to SB with auction ending in February, HERE. What if the U.S. Mint could or did behave similarly, selling canceled dies, trial/test pieces, canceled coins, errors, coins from their archive or museum (if the Mint has one), etc., would collectors and the general public see this as a positive or negative. If the Mint donated such items to an institution to auction would collectors view that differently? Video from SB on the Pyx coins.

Nice! The '53 no fold is a looker.

Look at the edge as Sandon suggested or if you have a scale with .00 decimal weigh it, silver should be close to 6.25g and a clad 5.67g.

I'm not, I forgot that San Fran minted circulation strikes and clad proofs for these. I edited my post just before you posted.

Welcome to the Forum. What about the quarter looks unique? Going to need a little more to go on before we can venture a guess. Edit: Didn't realize that San Francisco minted circulation strikes and clad proofs for these so the "S" mint mark does not automatically mean it's a proof or silver.

I suspect at least few did as samples to the bosses and dignitaries, maybe more if some made it out by other means. The coins were in production for weeks so plenty of opportunity for a few to make it out of the mint while they were backslapping and high fiving over the new coins. I wonder if the coins made it as far as being sent to banks for distribution in anticipation of receiving an ok from the EU?

Thanks, I may add it to the pile.

I think joining a local coin club would benefit you greatly and going to a few shows to interact with other collectors and see some coins. A lot of coins. I don't collect Rooses but here are a few useful links about them and on grading. I'm sure there is a ton more out there if you do some searching. https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-grading-guide/grading-roosevelt-dimes/ https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/6812/learn-grading-dimes/ https://www.pcgs.com/photograde#/Roosevelt/Grades https://coinauctionshelp.com/howtograde_rooseveltdimes.html

I'm assuming you mean London, England, see below. United Kingdom Certified Collectibles Group – International UK Limited 69 Southampton Row, Second Floor Bloomsbury WC1B 4ET London, United Kingdom Office visits by appointment only. Please call or email to schedule an appointment. Hours (Monday to Friday): 9:00am to 5:30pm (+44) (0) 20 3968 3848 Service@NGCcoin.uk NGCcoin.uk I believe all coins are sent to the NGC Sarasota offices for authentication and grading but the U.K. branch would handle all the arrangements.

From NGC: "ALTERED SURFACE - The coin's surfaces have been extensively manipulated. For example, a Proof coin that has been altered to appear to be a Mint State coin, or vice versa. This alteration can often make authentication impossible." Odds are if you send it back to NGC or PCGS that you will get the same result. If this was acquired as a gift or inheritance (in a way where it cost you little to no money) then I would just keep it as is, if you purchased this from someone clamming that it was an authentic problem free coin then I'd try to return it to them and get your money back.

Nice Al, nice.

I'm in the same region as you and I change them around once a year, usually only a few of the pellets have turned color by that time, or none, I keep my coins in closed cases for the most part with packet/s in each case. I'm also in a home with air conditionin', which is not always the case around here, and have a woodstove going in winter which dries the place out like you wouldn't believe. Just keep an eye on them as everyone's at home conditions are different. I like the 2g packets myself but it'll depend on your setup. You can pick some up on amazon or wizard and I've never had an issue with any of the brands I've bought,

I'm not convinced it is dust but if you want to have it looked at you'll have to pay for NCS to do so and then I believe you'll have to pay to have it regraded if NCS does conserve the coin. It might be worth contacting NCS/NGC to see if there is some sort of free service or warranty if it's determined that there is a foreign object in the capsule.

Quetzy, he didn't chirp, sing, or play fetch but the ladies loved him.