Fenntucky Mike

I have to assume that the color was the driving factor in the price. Auction estimate was $40-$60. You can pick up a raw example, no toning, in the same or better condition for $20-$30 USD. A blast white NGC MS65 can be had for under $60 no problem. I'll reveal the final price tomorrow.

I'm just goofing around Roger. Some may not have known but Jay-z sampled a piece of It's A Hard Knock Life from the musical Annie, music by Charles Strouse and lyrics by Martin Charnin, and worked it into one of his songs. I'll post the video in the watercooler if anyone is interested. Edited Version.

Itally 500 lire, 1967-R. PCGS MS-66. There were several toned coins in a recent auction but from what I saw this one out preformed them all. Care to take a guess as to the final price plus BP? I'll post the final price tomorrow or Sunday, no searching.

Naah, it's from JAY-Z the musical, featuring Beyonce.

Post a clear, cropped, picture of the entire coin please. Based on what I can see your coin does not appear to be a match to any of the DDO's listed by Wexler. It appears to be strike doubling but if better pics are posted I'll take another look. Below is the image of WDDO-001 from https://doubleddie.com/1829488.html so that others can more clearly see what you are comparing your coin to.

I'd graded it at VG 8, probably worth in the $400-$800 range. This is a forum for coins, while I don't really mind others might so it would best to post notes over at NGC's sister company PMG or maybe in the watercooler section. I'm over there, PMG, all the time but it's pretty dead for the most part. https://boards.pmgnote EDIT TO ADD: I believe this is Fr. # 1199, Teehee / Burke sigs.

A damaged and circulated coin with no collector value. It's amazing how many bicentennial quarters are still out in circulation, or keep getting put into circulation, never gets old finding one of these out in the wild. Welcome to the forum.

Two, most likely, impaired proofs, an altered quarter, and a circulated nickel and cent.... You got hosed.

Last three still sealed bags that I can find on ebay went for $250 OBO, $350 BIN, $285 BIN, all were sold in the last three months. Rolls seem to be in the $2-$6 range on ebay depending on the type of roll, hand rolled, bank, age, etc., and how many in a lot. EDIT TO ADD: Open and painstakingly search each coin for minor doubling or similar minutiae, No. Open and dump the contents on the kitchen table and causally search for an interesting piece or some really nice looking coins, Maybe.

Corectamundo.

First, what a fabulous coin with accompanying documentation. This coin reminds me of the first and last T1 & T2 ASE's, all were specially handled, documented, numbered, etc.. I don't believe any of the ASE's were given a SP designation and I'm not sure that this DE should be labeled SP either. It should be documented accordingly as the 4th coin struck and be a wonderful center piece in most collections. It was not specially struck in a manner differing from other DE's made for circulation, or with different dies, or produced for mint inspection, testing, or any other mint function that we know of, and giving this coin a SP designation may only help to broaden the inclusion of other coins graded as such. I agree that it should receive some sort of special descriptor and "presentation" piece seems fitting, along with the notation of being the 4th coin struck.

Nope.

Welcome to the forum. Unfortunately your coin appears to be a crude counterfeit to my eye and has little to no value.

Nice accent piece for the collection Mr. B. I think I have a waffled SBA$ laying around somewhere.

I was hoping that the listing would discourage people from bidding and that I would be able to pick this up for a deal. No such luck this time. The listing for this piece, and a few others, is what prompted my previous thread on GPT descriptions.

I had placed a bid on this one. The use of the word token is what popped out at me when I saw the listing previously. I'm not sure it's an AI description or not, a pretty short one if it is.

Morbiducci was invited by the Irish government to submit designs, after which he was paid £50. It would interesting to know who retained the copyrights of the designs once submitted and if it was dependent on being selected for use in the final design. These pieces may not fit your or the U.S. Mint's definition of a pattern but I would classify them as a pattern of some sort. Counterfeit? Not even close imo unless there was some sort of copyright infringement if the government owned the rights to the designs once submitted.

I think we all agree that it is a privately made piece which was not commissioned by the government but presumably by the artist who submitted the designs to the committee. Why could there not be patterns for unaffiliated medals or tokens? Why couldn't a private party commission patterns of prospective designs? Perhaps Morbiducci medal or design pattern would be a better description.

Here are the original Metcalfe designs, see below. Not much changed with the penny, the hound, hunter, pig, and bull were altered to greater extents. Final designs below.

Interesting. Were all 10 of Morbiducci's designs produced as patterns or only some of the designs/denominations? Gut feeling for how many were minted of each or total, Krause estimates the number between 4-5 for the known examples. At least for the penny, patterns were stuck in three different metals. I don't know if this is the case for the other designs as well.

Were most or all of the Morbiducci patterns sold by his widow in '76 or were there others in private collections? It would make sense that Morbiducci distributed a few of the patterns, or sets of patterns, to individuals prior to his death, most likely at or around the time he submitted his models.

The pattern reverse is definitely more lifelike and has movement to it, the Metcalfe is more art deco which is fitting for the times. I'm really having a hard time choosing between the reverses but I do prefer the Metcalfe obverse hands down. The harp is too puny on the pattern, the layout on the Metcalfe design seems better to me. In all fairness we are comparing a pattern to a final design, Morbiducci's design would have gone through several revisions if selected to make it more friendly to produce, prevent premature die wear, etc.. I have not seen Metcalfe's initial submission for the penny but his initial designs for some of the other coins were altered considerably for several reasons. If I can find an image of Metcalfe's original submission for the penny I'll post it here.

A rare Irish pattern piece just popped up for sale, graded by our hosts PF64, it is the pingin (penny) pattern designed by Publio Morbiducci. Image From Atlas Numismatics, https://atlasnumismatics.com/1078211/ . I believe Morbiducci commissioned the patterns himself and had a handful produced in Italy, none of his designs were chosen for the new coinage as the Committee voted in favor of those submitted by Percy Metcalfe. The most recent auction record I could find for a 1 penny pattern was in 2022, the piece auction by Spink sold for just over $23k with BP. The coin above is listed on ebay and the seller is asking $30k ($29,500 on their website) but is accepting offers. I was thinking that a reasonable sell price would have been in the $10k range but it seems $30 is not too far off albeit a little high. Below is Metcalfe's design. Does anyone disagree with the Committee's selection? Image from NGC World Coin Price Guide. https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/ireland-republic-penny-km-3-1928-1937-cuid-1126846-duid-1473460

AI will be used to try and maximize profits/sales by increasing efficiency in everyday business at auction houses, TPGs, dealers, etc.. Whether it is by generating lot descriptions, improving efficiency at the office, compiling information, identifying varieties/cherry picking, etc., the collector will have no say in most of these decisions, it's only a matter of if or when AI and the equipment to support it can advance enough to preform some of these tasks. For example, if at some point AI could cherry pick varieties, minor ones, at no cost to the user why not identify them in an effort to maximize profits regardless of public sentiment. If only AI could process monster boxes of ASE's at the TPG firms.