zadok

On 2/24/2022 at 2:54 PM, coinsbygary said:

The last time I sent multiple submissions, NGC sent the coins back to me as they graded them. Interestingly, my world modern submission was the last submission to make it back to me.

...my 13 different submissions contained multiple coins in many cases n some individual coins due to the tier selected...in most cases i requested that they be shipped as graded, the additional shipping is really incidental to the overall total cost for certification....

...u may be in for a surprise...i submitted 14 submissions in various tiers, received on 1/29/22...3 of which i have received back, 7 of which r currently in quality control, 1 which is in encapsulation, 1 in imaging...n 2 scheduled for grading.....

...has some resemblance to my ex-mother-in-law...whatever it is im sure its name wasnt Fluffy....

...being an ireland coin collector myself, i can sympathise with ur efforts to fit in an example from independent ireland in ur world crown collection...ireland coin issues just r not very compatible with broad spectrum type sets due to their limited range of denominations n short time spans...the confederation period does lend some flexibility fortunately...just be glad u r not trying to locate an independent ireland issue in gold, maybe two pieces known if u count the pistols....but congrats on ur V s coin, nice decent orig example.....

..."mailed" is the inoperative word here....delivery in person is the operative mode....

On 10/31/2021 at 4:40 PM, Quintus Arrius said:

Never mind the flowers, Great One, how were you able to resuscitate all those capital letters?

hmmmm...resuscitate very proactive word, they just washed up on the beach n hung them out to dry.....

On 10/30/2021 at 10:41 PM, Quintus Arrius said:

Actually, no!   The announcement of the addition of deplatform (seemingly a cousin of deplaning or disembarking) was made by Merriam-Webster just days ago along with 454 other gems like Oobleck, blank check company, dad bod, vaccine passport, fourth trimester, whataboutism, flutternutter and zero-day.  Interesting, because recently, a paper of record noted a number of words which had been quietly dropped from the dictionary most of which I had never heard of.

Deplatform is apparently the latest way to describe being denied a social platform to express one's views.  BTW, have you taken a look at just how much of your resume (and photo array) is available under your name(s) in Google? The next time a member gives you the third degree, I suggest you deflect them with a simple, "Google me!"  

...u n my bud Donald something in common who would have guessed?....

On 10/30/2021 at 9:07 PM, Mohawk said:

Congrats about your club resuming activity, Kurt!!! That's great news!! Sadly, the NGC Boards are the closest to thing a coin club that I have in my life.  There are two coin clubs in my area that I could reasonably got to for meetings.  One is a bunch of grumpy old men who only collect U.S. coins and the other is a bunch of nicer old men who only collect U.S. coins.  Sadly, there's not a place for me and my Faustinas and Egyptian Gods exonumia at either one 

 

...i guess u could de-escalate ur horizon a bit n start a US type set of coins with Roman origin motifs?....liberty cap, winged cap, victory wreath, shield, olive branch, fasces, banded torch, latin motto...tell Grumpy n the six dwarfs that u just arrived from Rome n ur given name was Amerigo Vespucci but u anglicized but dont like lincoln cents...also a lot of the so-called dollars have roman, greek, egyptian motifs incorporated...or best for last just start a foreign coin club in ur neighborhood....

On 10/30/2021 at 7:24 PM, Quintus Arrius said:

[Good News!  Bad News!

First the good:  reports of my premature death -- a quote allegedly widely misattributed to Samuel J. Clemens, (pen name, Mark Twain) -- have been greatly exaggerated.

Now the bad:  despite claims to the contrary a bevy of highly-placed sources within the NGC community -- most notably Administrator, Dena S., that I have not been banned or otherwise deplatformed, I took the liberty of using your apparently unlocked back door to make my presence known and wish all a Happy Halloween!

...can i get a refund for the flowers i sent?....

On 6/24/2021 at 5:33 PM, VKurtB said:

I always pay my own transportation costs - air, train, or road. I pay my own hotel for the Spring show, and the ANA picks up my room cost for the August show. I may be able to do the odd show by train from here. From Harrisburg, I was often a train traveler. 

...r u going to the ANA consortium on the Space X Dragon, if so have u checked out the ticket price yet?...id opt for the round trip vs the one-way...there mite be an economy class price if u choose the OCISLY mode, but a bumpier ride i hear....

..."spending money on money"...reminds me of my dad....i at one time collected antique candlesticks, my dad's comment..."how many damn candleholders does one person need"....but i digress, happy 35th n congrats on ur display worthy collection of Z coins, i feel ur self satisfaction....

On 10/17/2021 at 7:30 PM, coinsandmedals said:

@zadok Your question was more than reasonable, and I enjoyed giving it its due consideration. There were several attempts to get the Soho Mint involved with the early coinage; however, there was far too much opposition to the idea of a British company producing coinage for a nation in its infancy. Jefferson was very outspoken and argued that such an arrangement would violate the sovereignty of the nation. The arguments against Boulton's direct involvement were well-founded given the contemporary political climate, but I can't help but wonder what could have been. Although the Soho Mint never secured a contract to strike U.S. coinage, it did supply a healthy amount of copper planchets and an immeasurable amount of technical advice. It also appears that on at least one occasion, the two swapped specimens of their products. I plan to share a medal from my collection that was purportedly included in a swap between the two in 1826.

...looking forward to it......

On 10/17/2021 at 11:38 AM, coinsandmedals said:

@zadok It’s a good thought, but in this case, there is a preponderance of evidence to conclude that the shells are an original Soho product. Given the breadth and quality of the other items produced at Soho (i.e., the Mint and Manufactory), it seems unlikely that the shells were of any consequence to produce. The most troublesome part might have been preparing the dies, but only because of the relative difficulty obtaining good steel at the time. The shells also do not have any screw or snap mechanism. Instead, they are designed to fit firmly around the edge of whatever they are designed to protect. Often, the shells are not interchangeable. For instance, the shells used on a 1799 British Farthing are not likely to fit a different coin of similar dimensions if there is even the slightest difference in either diameter or thickness. 

...i felt that u would be the most knowledgeable person to throw out the thought to, i just wasnt familiar with the concept of the shells n thought they were interesting n seemed like they took a considerable amount of effort n resources to produce...but as u say the soho mint obviously had the capacity to produce them n to them at the time probably were considered inconsequential to make...too bad the united states mint didnt carry over this concept for at least their first coinage efforts...thanks again for ur time n consideration n patience for my meager thoughts on the subject....

On 10/17/2021 at 10:03 AM, coinsandmedals said:

@zadok Matthew Boulton had business contacts in just about every area of manufacture that you can imagine. That said, we know he had close connections with notable watchmakers such as John Whitehurst, Thomas Wright, and B. L. Vulliamy. The Soho Manufactory was renowned for the quality of their watch chains, but I have no direct evidence to link the two together beyond what I’ve listed above. 

The shells in my collection range in size from 23mm to 57mm, but larger and smaller versions may exist. I am no expert in period pocket watches, but it appears the majority of the movements were in the 57mm or larger category. That said, the case would have needed to be a bit larger to house the movement. 

Now I am curious! Why do you ask? 

...just seemed like the shells r very similar to watch cases as far as their mechanisms either screw or snap closures n im assuming milled interiors, it wouldnt be much of an issue to have shells made by watch case manufacturers, just have two watch case backs assembled rather than a front n a back, n if boulton or watts had close contacts with those persons putting in a specialty order for double back watch cases would not be out of the question if the diameters were compatible n no special machinery or tooling required, i didnt know if soho had the capability to easily make their own shells or ask a manufacturing friend to do so would be easier??...just speculation n curiosity on my part, when i first read one ur posts on the shells my first thought was, bet those took a lot of time n effort to machine up to make, especially if so few r still known to exist, i just wondered if there mite have been another source than soho itself?...certainly out of my areas of knowledge n research...just thought id pose the question to u on the possibility...

On 10/16/2021 at 6:20 PM, coinsandmedals said:

@zadok Yes, the shells were produced at the Soho Mint. If you are interested, I wrote a post about the shells last year.

https://boards.ngccoin.com/topic/420813-matthew-boulton%E2%80%99s-soho-mint-and-the-curiosity-of-the-silver-lined-brass-shells/ 

...thanks for the prompt answer....ur post on the subject is very comprehensive n interesting....one additional question, did either boulton or watts have a close association with any of the watch case manufacturers of the period and do the soho medals approximate the sizes of standard english watch cases of the period?....thanks again.....

C&M....just a quick curious question....the shells that many of ur medals r shown with, did the Soho mint also make the shells or were these made by outside manufacturers?....

On 10/11/2021 at 4:48 PM, Coinbuf said:

Ehh maybe, like most I have never had much of any discourse with any of the other registry participants ; well except you William and the few times we have conversed on the 1932 sets.   The only other registry set member (in my areas or sets I compete in) is the one guy that was rather upset when I took over first place in the 1940 year set last year.   He started a thread on why his set had been overtaken and why, which turned out to be the CAC points.   And while he was not hostile per se the tone of his posts seemed rather ticked and much more focused on putting me in my place as opposed to any "fun" discussion, at least most comments seemed that way to me.

Like you I think it would be rather fun to have some interesting conversations with other members that participate in the registry be it the competitive or custom sets.   But as Mike pointed out it seems that very few are interested in any sort of comradery or communication.

...pretty much echos my experiences as well, so many varied reasons for registrants to avoid discourse its diff to pin down....a large part of it is security n privacy, n just plain distrust...these days many people do not even know the name of their next door neighbors, couple that with all the online hacking n folks just plain reticent to divulge any public info or exposure...n then theres the competitive part of becoming palsy walsy with the person trying to take ur spot on the registry, e.g. look at all the questions William has bout the new Z registrant competitor, sort of like always looking over ur shoulder....of course this is just a hobby n not life or death issues, unless u outbid me on that one particular coin im looking for  , i guess the camaraderie is best found at local coin club show n tell nites.....

On 10/10/2021 at 1:38 PM, Revenant said:

A lot of it for me anyway is powered by slow periods at work. I get much less active when and if I catch a big project. Since I work from home I save time on commutes and get to sneak in the odd chore and laundry. And sometimes it's just good for the kids to play independently- I'm not a helicopter parent. 

I draft many of my journals on my phone's notepad - extra typos!

Other than that it happens when the kids are in bed, during naps and at night - I stay up too late trying to belong to myself for a while.

Right now I'm on my phone on the floor while Sam falls asleep in his crib for afternoon nap.

sounds like a plan....

i agree with both u n fenntucky's comments on chatting, but u need to remember u two guys have a positive win-win style camaraderie not exactly what one finds on the forum most of the time n i applaud u both for it, it adds worthwhile meaning to both of ur collecting efforts, sort of a fox-hole relationship....i believe the lack of chattiness that is found on the registry sets is mostly due to security n privacy concerns coupled with people just pre-occupied with everything else thats going on in their lives n the world around them...frankly im amazed that u have the time n energy left over from ur young life to raise ur family, try to stay economically n medically afloat n still be able to compile award winning collections...my hat is off to u.....

...there's also the possibility that those 1 n 2 coin increases in the Z census r not from 1 n 2 coin submissions...they could be part of a 10-20-40 etc coin submission n u r just seeing the Z coins?....as for other registrants being quiet, i personally don't find that unusual, in the 30 plus registry  categories i'm active in i have not once had any dialogue with any of the other registrants in any of the categories....

On 10/1/2021 at 10:47 AM, Revenant said:

Walking them up at a show to skip the mail room does not explain this at this point. They were opened and marked as received on 6/24. They were scheduled in early July. The only thing that explains this is them actively priorizing in-person submissions while these sit on a shelf and keep going to the back of the line.

i do not disagree...all im saying is if u want to avoid long delays there r other avenues available to shorten the turn around time, especially if u happen to live close to a show where ngc is participating, take advantage of it...im also equally certain that they have multiple tiers of priority in processing submissions, my comments werent to address only the skipping of the mail room, that probably only saves 20 days at most, but im certain walking them up at a show gets u a different processing priority as well....and as i mentioned before, in today's difficult to get qualified graders environment there could be excessive delays with grading obscure country's coinage....

On 9/30/2021 at 2:24 PM, Revenant said:

Well, I guess it really is "two steps forward, one step back." ... Back to "Grading/Encapsulation/Imaging."

I was really hoping I'd see grades this week / before the weekend but... 

Oh well... Maybe there was a problem with a label or something that they caught in QC. I just need to try to be happy that they caught it, if so, and be grateful that I (hopefully) won't have to mail any Mechanical Errors back for correction.

one of my last coins made three trips from encapsulation to qual control n back because of a question on mint mark placement etc....if u r going to submit any other large orders n if u live anywhere close to a major show where ngc is participating u should go n submit in person, my four submissions that i submitted at the ana show all were received back on the 30th calendar day after submitted.....

just a couple of general thought comments.....re ur long delay in grading, perhaps they dont currently have a person qualified to grade ur specific coins due to the sparcity of submissions? i once sent in a few ultra rare virtually unique coins that hadnt been graded before n it took a significant time for them to get a qualified person to grade...re ur son, one of my 6 children had several hospitalizations due to respiratory issues pre school years, the one thing id suggest u really stay on top of is with all the testing they do, closely monitor if any r tests that utilize dyes because if they do too many over a concentrated period of time they can do permanent damage to kidneys...im sure medical science is much better now then then but keep a close eye on that....godspeed on his recovery....

On 9/14/2021 at 7:52 AM, Revenant said:

Doesn't make the waiting more fun.

Like waiting on the sun to come up with no power.

u could always travel east....