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On 9/11/2021 at 8:49 PM, Revenant said:

That and it sounds like all the ANA submissions went to the front of the line / skipped the line to grading. My coins were marked as received- clearing the mail room - on 6/24 and were scheduled for grading on 7/7 - both well before your submission in August. Based on the listed turn around times when I submitted, mine should have been done and coming home by the day you handed yours in. 

im sure there r pecking orders scattered all thru the grading services on how diff submissions r handled...just as im sure the big auction houses n bulk submitters r handled diff than others...i do know that in person submissions cut off days if not weeks of waiting time...thats one reason i save up submissions n submit at the coin shows in person, but then again i dont really care when they grade my coins its all mostly a moot point to me, its a hobby n they r just coins n regardless of when or how soon they get graded changes nothing anyway...once i submit its out of my thoughts until they arrive back...i sometimes have 8-9-10 submissions in at same time if i sat around wondering bout each n everyone id never get anything else done...heck if one submitted coins every week one would get coins back every week.....

...fyi...one of the submissions i turned into ngc at the ana in person on 8/19...has been graded n shipped traking indicates arrival on monday 9/13...it was world-economy....i would assume that by skipping all the mail room chaos n in person submission has a tendency to expedite, i noticed that vkurt did the same at ana, no clue on status any his submissions...my other submissions r in grading quality control....i did not tie my submissions together for return shipping...for whatever its worth...

id ask them first just to avoid confusion n potential problems...in the past i have submitted various mint issued proof sets as one submission n it worked out but that was like 10 years ago, their policies may have changed n im not sure u can or can not get that label....its best to be on the proactive side rather than the reactive side....

On 8/26/2021 at 2:51 PM, AmayaRoss23 said:

There is nothing better than reading an interesting book.

cept maybe having one read to u....

join the crowd....ur experiences r not unique...it is currently happening across the numis spectrum...both world coins n US coins...world coins i have been buying from the major auction houses over the past several years have literally tripled during the past 18 months to the point that i seldom do any prebidding as the prebids r more than i would bid during the auction...certain obscure coins i used to buy n be the only bidder r now receiving bids from 20-30 bidders...the US market is the same, variety coins r virtually out of sight, now bringing 300-400 % of what they were bringing just 3 years ago...having said that, i have had to pay exorbitant amounts for some coins that im sure if i pass on i mite have to wait 10 or more years to buy again...id rather overpay n have some buyers remorse than not acquire a coin ive waited years to find....

33 minutes ago, Revenant said:

I think I read a while back about them re-tasking people to help with de-bottlenecking and they're trying to hire more and expand but what I was talking about here was more, what is going on in the market that is causing them to need to expand and de-bottleneck.

While I'm sure they're able to do that or have it already, I don't think they'd likely find it in their interest to release that data / analysis publicly.

u r prob correct on them not releasing their demographic data, but if big increase in number of new submitters ud think be good marketing tool?...of course the absolute value of number coins submitted whether new submitters or old submitters submitting more remains the same as far as work load n time consumed just diff in administrative load....i agree with fenntucky prob combination of both...pandemic prob initially had a big push n now numismatic market place evolving to more than just a hobby....a hobby with fringe benefits now...

i would guess ngc knows where their bottlenecks r n most likely addressing the same...im sure the learning curve to become a qualified grader is not a short period of time....u could ask ngc to provide a comparative analysis of now verses pre pandemic on the ratio of individual new submitters vs previous submitters increasing number of coins submitted ?....would tell u if more individuals entering the hobby/marketplace or just increase in volume?...i for one submitted 400% more coins in past 18 months than the prior 18 months.....

12 hours ago, Revenant said:

I have a world modern in and world modern is significantly worse than US modern right now. No clue why.  Maybe NGCs efforts to go beyond the US are paying off. 

maybe less world modern coin graders than US modern coin graders....

magna res...

revenant ur thoughts on the die cracks on ur 1880 10G r pretty much rite on.....ur coin most certainly has the die cracks u discussed...it does make the coin a bit more interesting...n ur assessment that some of the years of mintage r small enuf that they could have been struck from one die pair could be correct, especially if those coins were all struck at one minting session...it is not unreasonable to estimate that a die pair could survive 50,000 strikings on gold coins...ur thoughts on studying n collecting coins in sequential die strikings or from eroding die states is a reality, there r several collectors i know that do just that, collect coins from the same die pair from no die cracks thru the various states until the die is virtually unusable....its just an interesting adjunct to collecting by individual dates n mints, a little variety to one's numismatic life...very nice 10G by the way....

On 4/11/2020 at 10:46 AM, coinsbygary said:

I always find it interesting that it is usually between the rim letters that die cracks first show up on a die. And forgive me if I use the Morgan dollar to make my point. On the Morgan dollar die cracks often appear between the stars. Now try to picture that the stars on the die are incuse because they are relief on the coin just as the star and lettering are on the 1880 10G. Now the fields on the face of the die are the highest relief of the die. Thus with the tons of pressure applied to the die with each strike the face of the die will take the brunt of the strike while the metal flows into the incuse areas of the die. Now the weakest points on the face of the die are the spaces between the incuse portions of the die. When a die has run its course, you have numerous die cracks radiating from the center of the die to the rims the same as luster that flows from the center to the rim. When a die reaches this stage it is close to shattering like this picture of a gold eagle from my collection. Notice that the cracks flow from die incuse to die incuse on the shortest distance of die relief.

 

i would mostly agree with ur assessment on die cracks, u certainly see clear evidence of cracks going from one incuse part of the die to another incuse, part as u put it, n it is certainly true that on many designs there exists numerous examples of cracks around the peripheral when design elements r close to the rim, i suspect each die design has its own tendencies to fail owing to the design flaws n the intense pressure being repetitively applied to the relatively small die. i also agree with ur assessment on the lustre flowing from the center to the rim, i have not found that assessment to be the case on die cracks radiating from the center to the rim however. i have studied u. s. liberty seated series n liberty gold series die varieties n die states for fifty plus years n as of yet have not observed this radiating pattern for die cracks, rather i see more evidence of the cracks extending themselves from the diff incuse design elements to adjacent design elements or expanding across the entire die or even more frequently into a spider webbing pattern...i would add, i do find ur 1847 new orleans gold eagle very interesting.....

the above two answers give u viable options n solutions....u have couple choices...use multiple forms for more than 15 or strike out submission number on second form n enter first form number....if u need more space for variety description just use the lines below, u could use the entire page n just submit one coin....yes goes to conservation first n then to grading, entered as received as a submission once goes to grading, but u should get n email saying ur submission has been received n ur tracking number on shipping lets u know when its picked up as well.....

yep...the one stock was 140% shorted that was documented but in actuality it was closer to 220% shorted as some of the shorted stock had been sold without shares to back the shorts....those corrupted individuals deserve all that they get, $74 billion in losses so far, hopefully it becomes more...while i am reasonably heavy into the various markets, my 401k is totally reinvested in various markets, my real security is in hard assets...gold, silver, platinum etc...i try maintain 10 years worth of expenses in metals at all times....my numismatic endeavors r just a hobby, a diversion to keep my brain working n not something i depend on to live....but i guess its all those things put together that keeps the world going around, that or the little rodent in that cage.....

your questions r not easy to answer....whether going to be positive or negative for the hobby?...its prob going to be determined on the character of the participants, id assume the people drawn to it will gradually segregate into two camps, collectors n dealers....i am aware that the social media platforms have generated great interest in the selling n buying aspects of the hobby/business...my son who collects has quit selling his duplicates on ebay n almost entirely sells on the social media platforms now to an eager audience...on the flip side he has been able to also find some coins for his collection thru the platforms that were not available on ebay etc....so it has benefited him both as a seller n as a collector....

all hail reddit.....its about time the playing field gets leveled....i totally understand the mentality of the reddit buyers, make the financial sacrifice n lose it all is sound financial principle if it accomplishes the long term goal, make the short sellers cover everything they shorted n if they go bankrupt so be it, not a loss to anyone....its a win win, the price of the stocks they have to sell goes down n creates buying opportunity for everyone that wants to buy, price of shorted stocks go up n owners make money, n best part probably creates new regulations on short sellers where they cant over short n cant damage companies trying to make a go of it, plus silver in this case maybe gets to a reasonable ratio with gold....i would guess the future of the stock market just entered a new phase....sort of like trying to unsee something after u have seen it.....

yes the coins u r describing r all irish coins of the ireland republic era pre decimal....this is commonly referred to as the barnyard series having domestic farm animals n a bird, salmon, rabbit, dog added in for good measure....it is an 8 coin series, not all 8 were issued for all years....the denominations were farthing, half pence, pence, 3 pence, 6 pence, shilling, florin n half crown...none of those u listed have great value...the 1940 n 1941 coins have silver value....u can obtain more information simply by searching on the internet under ireland barnyard series or ireland coins....

no clue i couldnt get the link to load......

thank u ColonialCoinsUK im assuming u looked at my registry sets ....the various voids i own, but just not nice enuf yet n by leaving out makes easier for me to check what im upgrading rather than go by memory, not what it used to be...i used to collect almost everything irish...at one time had a complete set of irish farthings hiberno-norse to decimal, but sold it years ago to my friend,  patrick finn before his untimely death, all except the siege farthings, they r in a custom set...never attempted the ormonde issues, was never knowledgable enuf bout those...never did tokens just too many of those...ditto currency...i decided back in 1977 couldnt collect it all n would just put my time effort n resources into the milled coinage of free state n republic, life long project as it turned out, most of the denomination sets r finest knowns...some of the free state issues r prohibitive to find as im sure u r aware....'43 florin has eluded me, neither of the two mint state examples have come on the market that im aware of, foolishly passed on a nice xf coin bout 25 years ago, have decided not to buy heavily damaged examples n do without rather than compromise...not very frequent do i get a chance any more to add to my sets, may have to expand my horizons a bit, did start buying free state proofs a few years back but not completeable as far as i can determine, n usually prohibitively priced...but challenges r good for the mind n soul.....

impressive n im not easily impressed....irish copper n bronze r very difficult to find pristine, partly due to the corrosive ocean salt environment that used to permeate everything, also there were few true irish collectors for many decades and preservation standards were a bit lax...yes i too am a devoted ireland coin collector...one of my most favorite areas of collecting....challenging n so many rare dates....missing one coin in my free state n republic collections.....again congrats on ur upgrade....