GoldFinger1969

FWIW...after being able to login that 1 time with a password reset, I got sent back to Registry Page Hell the next time. I even got a new PC in the interim and the same problem happened so it couldn't have been a cookies or temp files thing or any of that. My Solution: I'm using a Chrome incognito tab and the login so far has been smooth each time I've done it. Anybody reading this who has been shut-out or needs a new password reset from the NGC folks, try that.

That's the thing...pre-Covid (maybe even post-Covid) folks can only get out there on the weekend. If this 3-day show has people shutting down on Saturday, then alot of the public will be turned off assuming they show up. These bigger shows ever have a designated late-night if they knew that Saturday was their last day and most dealers would be packing up early ?

It's still around, that problem. I got logged in after a friend here informed me about a password re-set link....worked fine and then the next time back to the Registry nonsense. I even got a new PC recently and still couldn't sign in. Now....an incognito tab seems to work fine so that is what I am going with.

No doubt, very possible even likely...HOWEVER....the price differential between what the 1927 sold for in a competitive acution (multiple bidders) and the other 2 coins in the same condition not getting ANY bids for 12% and 24% lower, respectively, is a bit surprising given the same time period and same auction location. Need to check the population numbers for that grade and those years and also see future sales at GC and HA.

It started on a Thursday, so I can't get too worked up about bugging out on the 3rd and final day. Thanks for the feedback !

How was the attendance -- dealers and public -- for the Baltimore Whitman Show ?

And that's why I think that 1927 sold for that much....not many 67's come up for sale for any of them, but they might be rarer for the 1927 (I have to check the population tables). And you're right to focus on condition rarity for the 1924, 1927, and 1928. I'll see how much other 67's sell for and we'll see if there's separation. FWIW, I see a 1924 MS67 going begging (no bids) at $12K and a 1928 MS67 going bidless at $14,500, both on GC...same place the 1927 sold.

FYI.....MS67 1927 Saint just sold for $16,500/$18,500 (w/bp) over at GC. 30% boost over prices 12-18 months ago.

Not surprising. If nothing special about it, melt or a bit under is expected. I saw a beautiful Pope John Paul II 10-ounce gold coin -- yup, 10 ounces -- sell for about $30,000 when gold was $2,000/oz. It was a PF70 (I believe DCAM)....very limited minting...very rare....beautiful and artistic....numismatic, religious, and precious metal rarity and value. It depends on scarcity value. The JPII coin had it (even though liquidating it will be a problem) while a 100-ounce silver bar (very liquid) has no scarcity value.

Gold's traditional hedge as a store of value has been eroded by liquid capital markets, the bond markeet, and even BitCoin. In 1979, both the gold COMEX market and daily FOREX traded about 1 billion dollars daily. Gold trades $50-$75 billion daily nowadays....and the daily foreign exchange market trades about $5 trillion daily !!

Dena.....could you enable the site to allow for PDF & Word attachments ? They pale in size compared to pictures/JPEGs for the most part and they are relevant to some of the research and debates in various threads.

I have a great research piece on Gold pricing and factors affecting supply/demand, but we can't post PDFs here for some reason.

He can always split a table -- lots did it at the last FUN I attended. Cuts your costs down alot, especially if you can drive there. If you want your best shot at getting inventory, a place with 600 other dealers certainly stands out !

I was told that 80% of the dealers' business is done BEFORE shows actually start. I never knew that. What about going to bigger shows ? FUN ? Big regionals ??

What's a "secure bid" ??

I recall the spread for when I sold some gold last year wasn't too bad from my LCS. I think he gave me the actual spot price -- and maybe buying was 4% higher. As for real estate....friend of a friend owns a home on the Jersey Shore in a very exclusive community. House is/was worth about $4 MM. A few weeks ago some mega-bucks type knocks on their door (literally !) and offers $6 MM....cash....as is. They took the $$$.

Don't forget a bunch of us were out of commission and unable to access the NGC Boards for 1-2 weeks. A few people have bought the book in the last few months, I'm hoping they will chime in soon. I have posted pricing and auction developments for Saints in a separate thread to try and keep this thread more focused on just talking about the book and related topics.

What if you just buy gold coins from them -- bullion or numismatic? How are their prices then ? I remember the same stuff said about Blanchard and Monex in the 1980's and 1990's -- but for buying of individual or groups of coins, they weren't bad.

Wow, 20% spread between bid-ask ? That would be like gold trading $500 higher to buy than to sell. It's normally $20-$50 or so.

It's not BARRON'S it's the folks quoted in the column. I can rarely recall BARRON'S plugging precious metals as an investment other than as insurance and I've been reading them 36 years.

Couldn't find a thread talking about the prices for the 2 key metals so voila ! Here's an interesting article from BARRON'S from a few weeks ago on silver's outlook, pretty bullish: https://www.barrons.com/articles/silver-prices-bargain-51632996001

That could just be the market, not the venue where it was sold/bought. We've seen an explosion in activity since Covid-19 with rising prices as new entrants jack up the actual prices on some coins and currency...and even when they go for lower-graded stuff, that puts a floor (a RISING floor) on higher-quality stuff.

I have bought from GC and found the pictures very good (not as good as HA's but still closer to them than Ebay)....pricing can be higher or lower than HA or retail. I do find their archives and current bidding activity to be representative of true market values as you see numerous bids on many popular coins, like the Saint-Gaudens series I track.

If you understand global finance, you would know why a country run by an authoritarian Communist Party which doesn't recognize private property rights and which relies on capital controls and has bond and money markets that are a fraction of ours liquidity-wise.....could NEVER replace the dollar.

Well, clearly something went wrong or NGC is much better at coins than software. Lots of people kept saying they all of a sudden couldn't login -- we were all at the Registry Page, I guess -- and yet we were initially told that we needed to clear cache or cookies. Which did nothing. Thankfully, somebody at NGC recognized the problem and the URL sent allowed us to change the password which bypassed the problem. Not sure why a new password solved a software glitch but it did.