GoldFinger1969

Your book covers proofs but no mention of the 1910 experimental, right ? I know it doesn't have its own section -- I checked -- not sure you didn't allude to it in the other years before/after 1910.

Standard protocol is to use a 5x glass on modern or classic coins, right ? I find it very tough to tell the difference between some 70's and 69's....even 68's sometimes. When it is a 67, I find that much easier. That's for standard sized coins....with those 5-ounce silver coins or even 2-ounce golds, it's alot easier with the bigger size and huge fields.

Well, if it goes for a pretty price and others vouch for it then it would appear to be a unique coin. At least it has a nice story......

Sometimes old threads have lots of useful information from posters at that time....imagine a conversation on 1908 No Motto Saints pricing around the time of the Wells Fargo Hoard (23-24 years ago). Much better than starting anew with a brand new thread. Look at all the valuable comments in the Burdette Saint-Gaudens Thread since early-2020. Can't replicate that info if the thread goes unused for a year or so....better to resurrect it than start anew.

Again...if you have Chrome and can't get in....use an Incognito Window and your old login/PW should automatically "fill" the blanks when your cursor goes over the empty spaced....then you can get in.

Well, it is a relatively "new" discovery but it's been known for a few years. Apparently, it was up for sale in 2020 at a Heritage Auction and didn't sell for the $700,000 reserve. Do you doubt that it is an experimental proof or you just aren't 100% sure ?

Super-Rare, Newly-Discovered Special Proof Heritage FUN Auction Saint: https://coins.ha.com/itm/saint-gaudens-double-eagles/1910-20-experimental-finish-sp66-pcgs-cac-jd-1-unique/a/1341-4776.s?ic2=mytracked-lotspage-lotlinks-12202013&tab=MyTrackedLots-101116 A copy of an apparently experimental 1910 Satin Proof that had Treasury Secretary Woodin's input is on auction over at HA. It's SP-66+ and if the comps are real, could go for 7-figures. The writeup for the coin has some excerpts from Roger's book, but the rest is apparently brand new; maybe Roger assisted in the write-up. This coin is called "Newly Discovered" but either this type of coin was not known or they knew that an example or two were out there but they didn't know who had them. The references are to the two 1921 Special Proofs. This coin is apparently not Satin (Roman Gold) or Matte, of which these 1910 Proofs were known (Matte pop was one, this is a different coin apparently). Very interesting write-up, click and read. Registerd at both PCGS and NGC, but the population = 1. Bidding is already at $105,000.

I wonder if that is taking place when I use an Incognito Window. I didn't want to clear cache or delete temp files because I was afraid I'd lose valuable automatic stuff on other sites.

Speaking of lost stuff......

If you know silver is trading for $22 an ounce...and coins always sell at a premium to spot value....why would you think a $25 or so coin would be sold to you for $10, a 60% discount ? If he offered you a $100 bill and said just give him two $20 bills....wouldn't you think it strange ? I say this not to criticize you but to reiterate what others above said: educate yourself about ANYYTHING you buy -- bullion coins, numismatic coins, bars, Hi-Def TVs, a microwave oven, furniture, etc. -- so you don't get burned. Please feel free to run any purchases by your friends here. This is a fun hobby and while you should not consider it investing, you can make good purchases that at least let you enjoy how you spend your $$$ even if the coins may or may not appreciate. The best thing is to buy PCGS or NGC-graded coins from reputable dealers until you become more experienced. Stay away from raw coins except with someone you trust highly.

Try using an Incognito Window. It should remember your PW and Login and you can get to the site in under 10 seconds. Not sure it will remember the PW/Login automatically but Chrome remembers it such that I just have to key it in and both the Login/PW show up and I hit "REMEMBER ME" and login and I'm at the main forum section.

I'm in the market for a 1933 Saint-Gaudens. I'm willing to go over spot bullion for a nice one. Let me know what you find.

With the initial find, I thought they got the bulk of it, no ? I know there were/are plans to grab more stuff either with divers going down or robotic arms. Anything happening with that ?

Were mirror-finishes creatable at that time ? I don't recall seeing too many gold coins with that finish. Silver Morgans were easier to mirror-finish. Maybe I'm guilty of comparing them to today's mirror-finishes with light-years better technology.

Fair points...I get where you are coming from. But I would doubt that a niche coin like that Indian Head Cent would be found in a collection in such a high grade. Kids who were teenagers right after WW II and into the 1950's -- the Golden Age for Coin Collecting -- are now passing on and their collections being sold by heirs or estates. It's a process that has been going on for 10-15 years and will continue another decade or more. We'll see if someone unknowingly has some valuable RAW ungraded coins of various types that were collected by young kids and maybe even young adults. Might even find some silver Morgans and gold Saints/Indian Heads collected for their PM content.

That's not as surprising to me....you would expect hoards of the French gold coin (and American DE's, too) to still be found in attics, wall boards, etc from the two World Wars and upheavals after each. But that Indian Head Penny you would figure we'd have uncovered virtually all or all the known specimens. You wouldn't expect a hoard of that coin type to exist. At least I wouldn't.

I think the marketers who have large coins to submit can get the "Gem Proof" designation for less than what a number grade would cost. So the coin is somewhere between an MS or PF 65-70. Whether the marketers have screened them and know that no 67 or higher coins are likely I can't say. When a numismatist or a TPG uses the term Gem for classic coins....they mean 65 or 66. Superb Gem means 67-69 (assuming 70 is unattainable). When I've bought a new Gem Proof coin/commemorative, I've generally paid $$$ appropriate for 65-67 coins.....the Big $$$ is when the coins come back 70 or 69. When you get to 68 or lower, it's not much difference for the coins I've seen (except when dealing with large coins like 5 ouncers).

Congrats, WF !!!

It looks like they are already in a slab and graded. Ron, what's the grade given ?

For such a rare coin that would stick out, wouldn't you think you're not going to fool them or get lucky after submitting it just once (maybe twice) ? I mean, after a while, they recognize the same coin and it's NOT going to get upgraded unless all the regular graders quit or are out sick and a bunch of newbies come in and overgrade it.

Wow, you're right....I thought this thread started in August 2020, it was only 3+ months ago. I'm no expert on this coin, but for ANY TYPE....isn't it unheard of to have the high-end population experience such a huge boost in population so quickly ? I mean, the population probably laid at 1 forever, right ? You wonder if not gradeflation if a hoard may have been found and nobody announced it for fear of depressing the price ?

Wow....how did the population grow that much in 15 months ?

PCGS and NGC guides are good for the longer-term TREND. GC and HA are best for recent prices/sales -- can't beat that.

Gem coins are rated 65 or 66 (they might be higher). Superb Gem quality refers to 67 and up.

Gem grade is MS65 or PF65. Superb Gem grade is MS67 or PF67. I see "Gem Proof" on modern coins or commemoratives where they didn't give a specific grade number.