GoldFinger1969

Always check recent (last few weeks, last few months) actual auction prices: Heritage, Great Collections, StacksBowers, Ebay.

I think so....the ATB series, or the commemoratives that we see from private companies.

On larger coins -- esp. 5 ouncers -- more likely.

I believe they ditched them. Virginia used to tax cars. Wealth taxes are clearly problematic from a constitutional perspective.

Yup, just like the income tax. Only gonna target the rich !! We have a winner !

Yeah, it might happen, but it should NOT be egregious as with your coin above. Yup, you might have a "tie goes to the runner" situation but not like with the coin you cited above.

It is probably unconstitutional and it is unworkable. As soon as lower-income and middle-class homeowners get hit with $10,000 or $25,000 unrealized gains taxes (double or triple what they pay in actual property taxes), this experiment in Marxism will be kaput. It can't work with liquid assets, like stocks or semi-liquids like real estate. It is a joke to think it can apply to untraded assets like art or coins.

If you are exclusively foreign coins, it'd be kinda dumb to be surrounded by the domestic guys.

FUN was definitely domestic-focused, but I'd say there was about 20-30 tables/dealers of foreign stuff, excluding domestic guys who also had some foreign coins. As I recall, there was an International Section off to one side of the FUN hall.

I'm having a procedure done this month and if not for that would strongly consider going.

ANA is usually held in the Midwest/Chicago....or they change it around ? I think FUN also benefits that everybody is home in January....and the cold weather folks can justify the expense to get to Florida for a few days.

No, just obey the rules like asking before touching....not having drinks/food placed on their display cases....letting them prioritize a sale over you asking to see a coin. Pretty basic stuff. It's also a good time to meet up with folks from the coin forums you belong to.

I love those !!!

For coins or for all other grading items ?

RWB's Saints book has 738 bags of gold coins in total.

Not sure how the others fell, but it seems like considering the time of the year, the number of dealers, right after the Holidays....that FUN is THE show to go to if you can just go to one biggie during the year. The regional shows aren't bad, either.

How many dealers pre-Covid would go to CS ? I know the Big Three are FUN, ANA, and Long Beach.

How did you find retail traffic vs. dealer traffic to your booth compared to recent shows and also pre-Covid ?

"The Best One" is up for sale over at GC. It is the ONLY MS-69 Saint-Gaudens Double Eagle...in fact, I wonder how many coins pre-1950 are able to get that grade ? https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/1132876/1908-Saint-Gaudens-Gold-Double-Eagle-No-Motto-Wells-Fargo-Nevada-Gold-The-Best-One-PCGS-MS-69

I have some good info on the WF Hoard earlier in this thread, including from the DL website. Other details are in Bower's Double Eagles and Roger's Saints books. Pretty much the same thing. As Roger has said, for whatever reason, Gillio and any other parties have not divulged more details regarding the hoard even though it is coming up on 30 years since it was found and market forces and marketing can no longer be a concern.

It is pretty much certain that 19,900 coins were submitted to the TPGs. So I am 99.99% sure that the WF Hoard is that size. If that was the first submission, then there could have been other coins (including non-Saints and maybe non-gold coins) that were secretly disbursed elsewhere though it would be difficult to submit a large hoard to the TPGs and keep it a secret, not have dealers find out, etc. I think that 150,000 theoretical figure is for the 1983 MTB Hoard which was about 50,000 gold coins. Might have even been from something Roger or someone else posted in the RWB Saints Thread. I've never read anywhere that the Gillio WF Hoard was not 100% of what the oft-cited 19,900 coins amounts to. Gillio is still around, nobody has ever suggested (certainly he hasn't) that there were other coins. OTOH, the records for the 1983 MTB Hoard got destroyed and there was never a final accurate accounting from MTB or Stack's, to my knowledge. I think I just got my hoards confused.

I have a note that says that the size of the Gillio Wells Fargo Hoard may have been as large as 150,000 coins (over 7x the oft-cited number). Does anybody recall seeing that anywhere ? I am sure it is speculation, I am just trying to remember where I read it. Or if I was reading about the 1983 MTB Hoard and inadvertently thought "WF Hoard" by mistake.

He'll have some super-dark skies so if he is into astronomy he should bring a small portable telescope or a pair of binoculars.

WTH happened ?

Gold coins -- at least Double Eagles -- are also larger than many coins so the fields show marks, dents, dings, and wear more easily.