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Hello everyone!

I am cleaning out some of the raw stuff that I have accumulated over the last year or so to hopefully fund a future trip to the ANA summer seminar. I only have world coins listed for the time being, but I plan to look through what little US coinage I have and see if there is anything I can part with. Please follow the links below to each eBay listing. If you are not comfortable with clicking the links, I have also included the item number which you can use to search eBay. All Auctions will end this upcoming Sunday (3-8-2020) around 7ish CST. Please feel free to message me here or on eBay is you have any questions. Everything starts at $9.99. Thanks for looking! 

Here is what I have listed so far: 

1. Superb 1806 Soho Great Britain Penny. Very sharp coin Item number: 202917037650

2. 1797 Soho Great Britain Penny  Item number: 193362988877

3. 1855 Great Britain Penny Oranmental Trident Odd Toning but a very nice coin Item number: 202917036891

4. 1805 Ireland Penny Decent example (old cleaning) Item number: 193362988597

5. 1854 Great Britain Penny Plain Trident Item number: 193362988454

6. 1818 Ireland Luke Chapter XX: Chapter XXV. Ver. Token Item number: 193362988268

7. 1859 Great Britain Penny Peck-1519 S.D. Item number: 202917035892

8. Unidentifed "8 Ore" Uniface Token? Medal? Pattern?  Item number: 193362978019

9. 1696 England Halfpenny (1/2 Penny) Peck-641 Struck off center Item number: 193362978915

10. W. J. Taylor 4 Pence Token  Item number: 202917027460

11. "1694" ND William and Mary "Pattern Halfpenny" P-636 Very Scarce Item number: 202917027961

12. 1692 William and Mary Ireland Halfpenny (1/2 Penny) Item number: 193362980178

13. Very pleasing 1750 Ireland Halfpenny (1/2 Penny) Item number: 202917028620

14 1697, 1806, 1827, and 1898 Great Britain Halfpennies (1/2 Penny) group Item number: 202917029418

15. 1719 England Halfpenny (1/2 penny) Item number: 193362982464

16. Group of 4 interesting medals/tokens. Check out the pictures! Item number: 193362982857

17. 1875 Kendal Borough Incorporation medal Very Nice! Item number: 193362982986

18. 1793 Swiss Bern Kreuzer Super nice! Item number: 202917032278

19. 1826 Great Britain Farthing P-1439 Item number: 202917032639

20. 1837 Victoria "To Hanover" Token Item number: 202917032833

21. Undated Mary "pattern" rose farthing Item number: 202917033319

22. 1700 England Farthing Peck-667 Very appealing for the type Item number: 193362984833

23. Edward VII Coronation medal 1902 Item number: 193362985122

24. 1688 Ireland Halfpenny (1/2 Penny) nice even brown color Item number: 202917034100

25. 1693 William and Mary Ireland Halfpenny (1/2 Penny) Item number: 202917034244

26. 1822 Ireland 1/2 Penny with old collectors ticket Item number: 202917034373

27. 1805 Ireland Gilt Proof Halfpenny (1/2 penny) with old collectors ticket Item number: 193362986284

28. 1697 England Halfpenny (1/2 Penny) very pleasing surfaces Item number: 202917034919

29. Edward VII & Alexandria Coronation medal Exquisite detail item number: 202917035013

30. 1792 France 5 Sols super pleasing sharply struck coin Item number: 202917035201

31. Pair of unofficially gilt Soho issues 1805 Ireland Penny & 1807 Great Britain 1/2 Penny Item number: 193362987417

32. 1788 Barbados Penny Trudgeon 4F rarer variety Item number: 193362987667

I’m glad to know I’m not the only one who tries random searches. I’ve found some of my best coins with this practice. Congratulations on your two recent purchases. I can only imagine the history your collection portrays. 

Sorry for the bad news, but your coin is neither uncirculated (I.e., MS-63) or proof. If you have not done so already please look up the difference between a business strike and a proof strike. Also, your coin exhibits noticeable wear across the band if the crown and chest. The picture quality makes it difficult to say for sure but it appears that your coin has been cleaned, which could give that shiny look that you’re mistaking for a proof strike. 

I would not waste my breath trying to talk sense into OUTCAST. We had a long “conversation” about some horribly damaged, super common, ugly British circulation strikes that they were convinced were ultra-rare pattern pieces. They think patina and splotchy spots of rust, verdigris, and corrosion are indications of a proof strike. Despite explaining in excruciating detail the differences between a proof and a business strike (I even illustrated with examples), they still continued to argue. They are yet another example of a horrendously misinformed individual making obscure arguments on these boards. The OP’s coin is obviously fake. Anyone with any inkling or numismatic knowledge can make that determination with full confidence.

Congratulations!! NGC got this through pretty quick. Did you request any image services from NGC? 

I personally would be highly suspicious of this coin. These have been extensively counterfeited. The general details look a bit off to me, but that could be due to the pictures. I believe someone mentioned the Dutch copy, but the portrait doesn’t align and from what I can tell the overrate is present on your example (1657/8). There is only one variety of this type. That would make this ESC-10 (S-3226) if genuine. To any extent, it is worth the gamble to submit it. I wish you all the best! 

I have extensive experience with NGC’s variety plus and I have yet to be disappointed. Most of the varieties that I collect are not listed but a quick email to customer service or a short note attached to my submission usually resolves any issues. In this case, it seems pretty straightforward. I would just check the Variety Plus box and list ESC-10 as the variety.  There are numerous NGC graded examples with this attribution listed on the label so I have no doubt that they will attribute it, assuming it is genuine. 

These are the seller’s images, but the NGC Cert verification pictures do not differ by much so I hope it looks just as good in hand. 

I think you are conflating the difference between eye appeal and technical grade. The star designation is used to denote exceptional eye appeal for the grade. The plus designation is used to denote a coin that is on the upper end of the assigned grade (i.e., is very close to being the next grade). It is possible for a coin to be in the upper end of the assigned grade range, but have “average” eye appeal. In this case, the coin would get the plus designation but not the star designation. Likewise, a coin can be an “average” example in so far as technical grade but have exceptional eye appeal (relative to similarly graded pieces of the same type, year, mint, etc). In this case, the coin would receive the star designation (for the eye appeal) but not the plus designation because the coin is not on the upper end of the assigned grade range. It is possible for a coin to be on the upper end of the assigned grade range but also have exceptional eye appeal. In this rare case, the coin would warrant both the plus and the star designations. Does that make more sense? The star and plus designation serve completely different functions. 

Apparently they are having technical difficulties. There’s an announcement on the other section of these boards. 

Thanks everyone for the positive comments! I just could not wait to share this with everyone. It feels so amazing to have the shells preserved with the coins. I feel as though a good deal would have been lost had they ever been separated. 

@Star City Homer I am not sure how much help it will be, but I am going to send you a PM. 

Is anyone else having issues using the Cert verification function today? I’ve been trying all day and each time I get a message that reads “This feature is currently unavailable. Please try again later”. 

I think this honor would go to my William and Mary pattern Halfpenny (Peck-594). Peck designates this coin with BM+, which indicates that, beyond the example in the British Museum, he has examined at least three additional specimens. To this extent, we know that at least four exist. Other than the example I own, I can only find a listing for two others. It looks as though Colin Cooke had one on their website at one point. Here is their excerpt:  

"William and Mary. Trial Halfpenny in ENGLISH COPPER. Long hair. Weight 8.28g. BMC 594. (See note in Peck page 160.) Reverse upright (highly unusual). Peck writes: "Most probably an official piece to determine the striking qualities of English copper, in preparation for the copper issue authorised by the House of Commons on 17th April 1694." Fine or a little better. Extremely Rare.

Ex Glendinings 10-2-1982 (photo).

Ex Spink Coin Auction 95, 25-11-1992, Lot 243 (£123). Seaby once had a specimen but with severe damage to the flan. No other specimen has appeared on the market in the last 22 years."

The coin that they provide an image of was also listed in a heritage auction some time ago, but I forget the exact date. So it seems as though 3 of these coins have been sold at some point (including the one I own). I do want to note that NGC has an MS-65 example in their census data. I have no idea how many were made, but given the "extremely rare" rating by Peck combined with the nearly non-existent auction records, it seems fair to speculate that not many were made, or at least not many survived. Here is a picture of my example graded by PCGS as PR-03.

Wow, I am impressed. These coins just came back from NGC, and Mr. Heller did a fantastic job making my wishful idea a reality. The quality of service provided by NGC never ceases to amaze me. To catch everyone up to speed, I had requested the silver-lined Soho Mint shells to be encapsulated alongside the coins. This task would require the use of a multi-coin holder. Part of the issue is that the multi-coin holders are only open for bulk submissions for specific members. I am not one of those members, and this was far from a bulk submission.
Furthermore, the multi-coin holders are designed to house coins with a set of particular diameters, none of which matched the items that I submitted. Despite all of this, NGC was able to able to fulfill my request and encapsulate the shells alongside their respective coins. I am incredibly impressed with how these turned out, and I can not thank enough Mr. Heller and all those who helped make this possible. I apologize for the somewhat horrible iPhone pictures. I probably should have waited until tonight to take better pictures, but I was just too excited not to share it with you all now. Certification numbers and bar codes have been removed from the pictures intentionally. 

1806 G. Britain Proof Farthing P-1391 Skinner Collection with Original Soho Shells

1806 G. Britain Proof ½ Penny P-1371 Skinner Collection with Original Soho Shells

Thanks, everyone, for the positive comments! @thebeav I also wonder what it would take for the red designation. This coin is blazing in hand. As cool as this coin is, I think I may part with it to fund my primary collecting goals. 

1 hour ago, kbbpll said:

Yeah, the melted one was probably the top pop, so somebody's registry set just moved up.

This is priceless! 

I did not realize how long it took me to submit this coin to NGC. I apologize for resurrecting an old thread, but I wanted to provide an update. I had some issues getting the variety listed on the holder (mechanical error), but as always, NGC customer service fixed the problem. Here is the final result in the slab. These are the cert verification images (edited to remove the cert number and barcode). 

My wife and I spent a few weeks in London this past summer. It is a fantastic city with such a rich history. In addition to what is listed above, I would recommend checking out the Tower of London. There is an old Mint exhibit there that is pretty interesting. The British Museum also has a display of money that includes some unique pieces. 

If you want to do a little shopping, I would suggest checking out either Sovereign Rarities or Baldwins. 

Sovereign Rarities has an impressive selection of British coins, but I’m not sure about anything else. The lady who helped me was super friendly, and she took the time to show me coins that were way over my budget. We had an excellent conversation about circulated pattern pieces, and I got to examine some stunning coins. I can not recommend them enough. 

At first, I was a bit disappointed with Baldwins. They have a main showroom downstairs that is scarcely populated with “meh” generic coins. The good stuff is all upstairs in the coin cabinets. If you talk to whoever is running the showroom, they can buzz you upstairs to meet with a numismatist that can tailor your shopping experience to your interest. I worked with a gentleman named Chris, whom I can not recommend enough. He is a fellow copper enthusiast, and we had an excellent conversation about a range of topics. I’m not sure what you would be looking for, but both stores will provide some beautiful “eye candy” that you might find tempting. 

Of course, there are other shops like Coincraft in London. If I remember correctly, there is also a small shop across from Baldwins. I found most of the small local shops disappointing. They mostly seemed to deal in bullion, which I have no interest in  

I hope you have an excellent trip! If you would like restaurant recommendations or anything along those lines, please feel free to send me a message. 

8 hours ago, Conder101 said:

Maybe, but without seeing it in hand, from the image I do think it is an eleventh leaf.  The hubs are different though.

Fair enough, the picture certainly gives that impression. However, given my not so inconsiderate knowledge of the type and my ability to examine it in hand, I do not believe it is the 11 leaves variety. I wish it were because it would be considerably more scarce, but I don’t think enough physical evidence exists to substantiate that claim.

Wow, was I really the last person to post here? Maybe I need to slow my buying spree down a bit. 

1928 Ireland Farthing PCGS PR-66BN

23 minutes ago, Coinbuf said:

Not at all please do post the images, I'd love to see them.

Will do! I just did not want to spam your thread with a slightly irrelevant post. 

34 minutes ago, Coinbuf said:

Fairly sure that internet image is the photo of the full slab no close up of the coin itself.

It is, but I will post it here nonetheless as it adds breadth to the discussion of NGC's photo services. Unless you, as the OP, prefer that I don't. 

1 hour ago, Conder101 said:

Maybe it is just me, but I count 11 leaves on those 10 leaf obverses.

 Very nice catch! I was wondering if anyone would bring this up. The area circled red is where the difference occurs. Take note that a single leaf (blue arrow) occurs on the left, and a double leaf (yellow arrow) occurs on the right. Please correct me if I am wrong Conder, but I assume you are referring to the shape pointed out by the blue arrow? If so, I also found this odd when I first purchased the coin. However, when closely examining the coin in hand, this "extra leaf" appears to be nothing more than an illusion created by part of the hair design and lighting effects. There are also notable differences in the placement of the "extra leaf" on the 10 leaves variety compared to the proof example provided. Furthermore, the difference in placement goes against every attributed example I have examined (both raw and graded) as well as the plate picture provided by Peck. 

I had submitted two Soho proof copper coins to NGC as a "special" submission. I just got off the phone with Mr. Heller, and it appears they are in the final stages of the process! I thought I had requested photovision for this submission, but I checked internet imaging as this is a somewhat complicated request. I will post the images here when I get them. I am not sure what to expect for the internet imaging service. I wonder how different it is from the cert verification picture.  

18 hours ago, Just Bob said:

Congratulations. Your collection just keeps getting more and more amazing.

Thanks Bob! 

1 hour ago, Mk123 said:

Congrats!!! Did you happen to get a photovision of this coin? If so can you post it?

Thank you! I didn't even think to when I submitted it, but I wish I had. I have a special submission with them now that I did request the service for. If/when that submission is completed, I will post those images.