coinsandmedals

On 5/1/2024 at 12:38 AM, conscoins said:

I appreciate your response to this post. I don't appreciate the passive-aggressive tone toward my collecting abilities. This is my hobby. I'm simply asking for assistance on what I had hoped would be a wholesome community rather than elitist collectors. You have not pointed out anything specific.

Firstly, 321 and 322 on that pdf are struck in copper (this is important). While I can recognize the higher details in those examples, I believe my piece was cleaned at some point, which can obviously degrade the surface details. Compare the details of a straight grade trade dollar and a cleaned one--the surfaces of the cleaned one are closer to mine. 

Also, as anyone would, I, of course, want to advocate for the legitimacy of a particular piece in my possession. As I hope this is a genuine example, I've already submitted this to NGC in anticipating conflicting viewpoints from collectors on this forum. I suppose we'll wait and see.

Passive aggressive tone? That was not my intent. Nonetheless, thicker skin might prove useful. I am far from the most blunt on this forum. 

The metal the piece is struck in is irrelevant in this case. The main design details would not differ between silver and copper as they are imparted by the die when the piece is struck. Although cleaning would certainly degrade the surfaces, it will not alter the central design. 

I’m glad you’ve sent this piece to NGC. I hope I’m wrong, but I do not think it is genuine based on the images provided. 

On 4/30/2024 at 11:30 PM, conscoins said:

What sort of information do you derive from that quick comparison that makes you believe it isn't genuine? This exact design is KM#PnC68 and ESC 1983 (R3 rarity index).

The Soho Mint (i.e., where the dies would have been made for the genuine piece) is my sole numismatic focus. 

Your piece is a crude imitation of a genuine design. I can't seem to locate the images of the example in my collection; however, I did locate my notes. Check out lots 321 and 322 of September 27th (2011) St. James Auctions. 

https://cdn.sanity.io/files/f3pcy24e/production/66125b33c49d06a42d533010981e55f7bf2d6424.pdf 

Compare the fine details between the genuine examples linked above with the cartoonish execution of your piece. A self-described collector with years of experience should have no issues identifying the discrepancies. 

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but your piece is not genuine. A quick comparison of the obverse with any confirmed genuine example of Küchler’s work should be sufficient to establish that fact. 

On 12/27/2023 at 3:23 PM, Zebo said:

Wow - what great acquisitions. I was possibly the underbidder for the 1800 (assassination), maybe it was another. I put it out of my memory.

The 1773 Virginia half penny is a 25 M correct?

So many nice ones, I am not sure which one is my favorite. Well done.

Thank you! So you're the one who bid me up on the medal? 

Yes, the Virginia piece is a 25M. I had a blast attributing that coin - it brought back fond memories from EAC days. 

On 12/27/2023 at 1:08 PM, Henri Charriere said:

I would guess the French coins, and the Irish penny were not products of the Soho Mint.

I will forgo any discussion of the French pieces until others have had ample time to guess, but I likely should have been more specific in the language I opted to use for the Irish Penny. If following Peck's classification this would likely fall under the "Late Soho" category, as it was probably struck at the Soho Mint at a much later date than indicated on the coin. The term "Restrike" is typically reserved for pieces struck at a later date using retouched Soho Mint dies, but not by the Soho Mint (i.e., Taylor). The waters get a bit murky as you dive deeper. 

On 9/21/2023 at 4:23 AM, Henri Charriere said:

I like them both.  Does it seem like you've been a member for 10 years?

It’s been 10 years? Wow, I had no idea. 

On 9/28/2022 at 5:04 AM, Conder101 said:

You only show one side so I don't know exactly which token it is, but it is from the county of Norfolk England.  It is either D&H 23 or 24,  Dies were by Thomas Wyon of Birmingham, and they were struck by Peter Kempson also of Birmingham.  They were produced for a Merchant named Dinmore, and they struck 51,500 pieces of the two varieties combined.  Both are considered common so assume a roughly even distribution or about 26,000 of each die pair variety, but each comes with more than one edge variety.

It was attributed as D&H 24C. It sold for $480 at Stacks in August and is now listed on eBay for $809.95. 

@Quintus Arrius That is very kind of you to say. I recently discovered one of your beloved roosters (1911) in a PCGS MS-67 holder, but it appears you already have an example in the same plastic. 

On 10/7/2022 at 8:46 AM, VKurtB said:

Those cotton pouches can OFTEN be sourced through Wizard Coin Supplies, but like many products these days, stock can be spotty. 

I noticed that the other day while looking for something completely unrelated. I will likely order another hundred or so when they are available. I wish they still offered the larger sizes as well. 

On 9/9/2022 at 10:22 AM, Quintus Arrius said:

Hmm, and I always thought @coinsandmedals was male.  Interesting!

Your assumption was correct. I wish I had time to write for leisure. 

Sue's book is an excellent introduction to the topic, but it only scratches the surface compared to her dissertation. 

The ANA summer seminar is a great opportunity to learn, both inside and outside of the classroom. I was fortunate enough to receive a partial scholarship to attend, so I’m happy to report that I’ll be taking the digital photography course during the first session. It would be great to meet some of the forum regulars should you decide to attend! 

On 11/26/2021 at 3:43 PM, Fenntucky Mike said:

Got it! Thank You Don!

I've done some targeted searches for this and haven't really found anything specific, other than images of multiple coins of each variety. I have a pretty good library of IoM farthing images now.  I'll try broadening my search and see what pops up. Interestingly enough I have yet to find an inverted A used for the obv, searching for die varieties doesn't seem to be very common outside of the U.S., but I was hoping there'd be something already documented for this one. It's probably so common that no one cared or thought it out of the ordinary. 

Thanks Again!

I am glad you got it, Mike. I have made an effort to avoid checking my email over the break, so if you replied, please know that I have not read it yet. On any note, I hope the article proves to be helpful. Please let us know what you discover. 

Your note about the lack of examples with an inverted A on the obverse is interesting. I imagine they reused the dies from the English coinage when possible. I am not familiar enough with the Victorian coinage to know if there is a variety of the 1839 farthing with an inverted A or V in the obverse legend. I will check my copy of Peck once we get back home tomorrow. 

Hey Mike! I just sent you an email with a PDF of an article attached that might be useful. It has been a while since I read it, so I am not sure if provides any information on the 1839 coinage. 

EDIT: There are numerous varieties of English copper that display inverted V's as A's. Have you tried running a broad google search to see if this is documented specifically for IoM coinage? 

Wow, what an excellent opportunity! I will pass this along to a few of my friends in the history department. 

Excellent idea, Tom! Although at odds with the rest of my collection, I do have something to share (RIC 934). It seems fitting that Antoninus Pius should make an appearance to celebrate his daughter’s birthday. 

@DWLangeI appreciate the link. I stumbled upon that earlier today and had the same thought as Roger.