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There is your answer. Proof (PF) coins are assumed to always be fully struck, so they do not receive Full Bell Lines or Full Torch designations. Those, and other strike related designations are only given to circulation strike coins.
 

There is your answer. Proof (PF) coins are assumed to always be fully struck, so they do not receive Full Bell Lines or Full Torch designations. Those, and other strike related designations are only given to circulation strike coins.
 

You just couldn't help yourself, could you? You just had to throw that little schoolyard insult in there because someone said something you didn't like.
There was nothing vague about what Coinbuf said. NCS can't fix your coin. Simple answer. No elaboration or explanation necessary. The fact that it was not what you wanted to hear, does not make it untrue. Or vague.
Welcome to the forum. Expect honest, straightforward answers, even if you don't like or agree with them.

You just couldn't help yourself, could you? You just had to throw that little schoolyard insult in there because someone said something you didn't like.
There was nothing vague about what Coinbuf said. NCS can't fix your coin. Simple answer. No elaboration or explanation necessary. The fact that it was not what you wanted to hear, does not make it untrue. Or vague.
Welcome to the forum. Expect honest, straightforward answers, even if you don't like or agree with them.

You just couldn't help yourself, could you? You just had to throw that little schoolyard insult in there because someone said something you didn't like.
There was nothing vague about what Coinbuf said. NCS can't fix your coin. Simple answer. No elaboration or explanation necessary. The fact that it was not what you wanted to hear, does not make it untrue. Or vague.
Welcome to the forum. Expect honest, straightforward answers, even if you don't like or agree with them.

So I have wanted a coin of this type for quite a while now, not a priority but one that I really did want.   I find the no star seated dime design to be so clean, uncluttered, and simple, just an elegant presentation of the design.   I was able to aquire this piece from a PCGS forum member on the BST ats, I think this is a very wholesome, unmolested coin with some a very original look to her.   In addition this was the first year of operation for the New Orleans mint, which adds that little bit extra coolness factor for me.  So here she is, an 1838 - O no stars seated dime, PCGS XF40.  Photos courtesy of the seller, a bit lighter in hand then the photos suggest with a touch more color.
 
 

Better. Pictures one and four have a bit too much glare, and are still slightly fuzzy. Two and three are clearer. If you are holding your phone in your hand, try placing it on something stable, like a stack of books. Even your heartbeat can make the camera shake slightly.

Do not depend on Youtube for truthful information on coins. It is full of scammers and liars.

Help me out here:
Am I misunderstanding, or are you saying that the same master die was used until 1968? Variety Vista lists 23 different obverse varieties between 1909 and 1968, involving modifications to the date, lettering, and design. How were the different die varieties - 1960 large and small dates, just to name one example - created?  Were the working hubs modified?

Looks like they had tokens in denominations of 5, 10, 25, and 50 cents, and $1.
Here is the Tokencatalog.com page for Grahn, KY. It will be interesting to see if your two $1 tokens have the same misspelling as the one shown.
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Looks like they had tokens in denominations of 5, 10, 25, and 50 cents, and $1.
Here is the Tokencatalog.com page for Grahn, KY. It will be interesting to see if your two $1 tokens have the same misspelling as the one shown.
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I know its not Tuesday yet but Im very excited and wanted to share this story. I bought a few of these tokens off a seller on Ebay about a year ago. I was very suprised because they were from an old store my papaw owned. I got a couple 25 cent and a couple 50cent. I was telling the seller how cool it was to get them and the story about my papaw owning that store. They remembered that and sent me a message a year later telling me they found some more. They were wonderful people to talk to. Very nice. Alot of people wouldnt care less about something like that. My mom loaned me the money to buy them till my pay goes in the bank. She was very excited to see them also. This lot consist of four 25c, four 50c, and two $1 tokens. Im very excited to add a couple $1 tokens in with the others. Not sure what all is in a full set of them but it would be really cool to get a whole set eventually. Some have a few flaws but the history tying my family to them makes them special to me. Grahn was a very small community.  Had a school, a post office, a brickyard, and a small store. This one on the token.  My mother was raised in this small community. It had a very small population. It still does today. This store closed many years ago. Around 1980. Another took its place in the late 80s but closed in the mid 90s due to lack of business. The brickyard is still in operation but hanging on by a thread. My uncle was working there but took a different job because they can only fire it up a day or two a week. The school also closed back in the mid 90s and all the kids started going to a school in the next town over due to the small number of students. Here is one Ive shared before but I will post it to show everyone which ones Im talking about. I will share the new ones when they come in. The other token I shared a in a post a few days ago came from the same seller. It was a brickyard token from the next town over where my other papaw worked. It was very cool to see the same seller have tokens that have businesses with ties to both sides of my family. 
 

The star point/denticle alignment matches obverse 9, used on O-113 & 113a. The T/I alignment, and intrusion into the lower crossbars of the lines of the vertical stripes match reverse M, also used on O-113, and the die crack makes it 113a. Even though the incomplete "S" does not show on this coin, it does appear to show up on O-119, which used this same reverse die, and was next in the emission sequence. My vote goes to O-113a. 
Beautiful coins, by the way. 

The hairlines indicate a vigorous cleaning, and the rim hits look too severe to slab, as well. I do like the design, though. Very classic looking. If you could find a way for the coin to obtain a little natural patina, I think it would help the look a bit.

The hairlines indicate a vigorous cleaning, and the rim hits look too severe to slab, as well. I do like the design, though. Very classic looking. If you could find a way for the coin to obtain a little natural patina, I think it would help the look a bit.

You must have been on the ritzy side of town.

That is a very interesting typo. 

Welcome to the forum.
Each coin/series should be considered on a case by case basis, since some forms of damage, like a very mild cleaning, are less obtrusive than others, such as whizzing or deep scratches. The more obvious the damage, the more reduction in value one can expect.
As a general rule of thumb, though, you can expect the value of a problem coin to drop the equivalent of 2 to 3 letter grades. For example, if the coin is graded XF Details, it would probably bring Fine or Very Good money.

Welcome to the forum.
Each coin/series should be considered on a case by case basis, since some forms of damage, like a very mild cleaning, are less obtrusive than others, such as whizzing or deep scratches. The more obvious the damage, the more reduction in value one can expect.
As a general rule of thumb, though, you can expect the value of a problem coin to drop the equivalent of 2 to 3 letter grades. For example, if the coin is graded XF Details, it would probably bring Fine or Very Good money.

Correct.
I should also add that some series fare better when it comes to certain types of damage. A 1793 chain cent that was dug from the ground and labeled "Environmental Damage" would retain much more of its value than an Indian cent with the same type of damage. LIkewise, cleaning coins was acceptable, even sometimes encouraged, in the not-too-distant past. It is not unusual to find Seated Liberty or Barber coins that have been lightly wiped or dipped in jewelry cleaner. Some collectors are a bit more forgiving in these situations, but most people these days want "original surfaces."
 

Welcome to the forum.
Each coin/series should be considered on a case by case basis, since some forms of damage, like a very mild cleaning, are less obtrusive than others, such as whizzing or deep scratches. The more obvious the damage, the more reduction in value one can expect.
As a general rule of thumb, though, you can expect the value of a problem coin to drop the equivalent of 2 to 3 letter grades. For example, if the coin is graded XF Details, it would probably bring Fine or Very Good money.

This is why I take issue with the SP designation. Yes, the coin is very well struck, but if I am going to create a specimen, either for my own set or to give as a presentation piece, why choose a planchet that may not look good after striking? And, once the coin is struck, why not put it in circulation and try again to mint a better looking coin? If it can be proven to have been the first coin struck, then, fine, give it a grade, and designate it accordingly. But don't just assume it was struck as a specimen, or call it that, just because it looks different from the other known examples.

That is a very interesting typo. 

That is a very interesting typo. 

The Green Duck Company was formed in 1906 in Chicago by George Greenburg and Henry Duckgeischel, former colleagues at S.D.Childs, one of the premier diesinking and engraving businesses in Chicago. The new company put itself on the map by getting contracts for campaign buttons from both political parties in the 1908 presidential election. The company continued making beer tap knobs, signs, pinback buttons, watch fobs, and other metal novelties in various locations around Chicago until it was sold to Ero Industries, in the 1960s. Ero moved the company to a new plant in Hernando, Mississippi. It was sold again in the mid 70s to investors Elliot Sklar and Ronald Stein. The focus of the company shifted to mainly minting Mardi Gras doubloons and casino slot machine tokens and poker chips. It was sold to a British firm in the 90s.
These are examples of their work featuring the company name and/or logo.