Any thing you found in change purchased or otherwise obtained. 2 2

[pigeonman333rd]

On 12/20/2022 at 11:28 AM, J P M said:

It looks more like PMD than a S mint mark to me Pigeonman

Probably true however I think by looking at it closely it looks like someone attempted an altered s mint mark and failed at it but cool for my very first 1909!

[J P M]

On 12/20/2022 at 2:42 PM, pigeonman333rd said:

Probably true however I think by looking at it closely it looks like someone attempted an altered s mint mark and failed at it but cool for my very first 1909!

It is still cool to find a 1909 in any change now days.

[pigeonman333rd]

Well Found another wheat penny thumbing through those nickels but I think I got that one in better condition in the collection its a 1932-D strange their being any pennies in a bag of nickels. As far as nickels I have found some 1950's one 1939 and a few 1940's no war nickels yet or buffalos. Sure would be nice to find a buffalo head.

[J P M]

Here is a nice roadkill loads of detail 

[VKurtB]

On 12/21/2022 at 9:52 AM, J P M said:

Here is a nice roadkill loads of detail 

I think it was hit by 4 Goodyears, a Hankook, nope, two of em, and at least three Michelins. 

[JT2]

On 11/19/2022 at 8:06 PM, pigeonman333rd said:

have an expert  from ANA on staff to check all coins before the sale of anything.

 

On 11/19/2022 at 8:08 PM, VKurtB said:

I literally have no idea what that even means. It’s umm, err, malarkey. 

YEAH THEY SEND VKURTB to look at them..........

[VKurtB]

On 12/21/2022 at 12:20 PM, JT2 said:

 

YEAH THEY SEND VKURTB to look at them..........

And I nod knowingly, stroking my beard, and saying, “Hmm, interesting.” If I had a pipe, I’d fire it up. 

[pigeonman333rd]

On 12/21/2022 at 7:52 AM, J P M said:

Here is a nice roadkill loads of detail 

Hey it's better then finding play money!

[RonnieR131]

 Debatable pigeonman333rd, debatable. 

[pigeonman333rd]

On 12/21/2022 at 5:07 PM, RonnieR131 said:

 Debatable pigeonman333rd, debatable. 

I do wish I could get one of those 1859 flying eagles by Daniel Car but I'm afraid dear old Dad wants to here nothing of it because that's all play money in his mind. I like them they are really nice medals but the stuff I keep finding is all because of the exonomia club here in town they drop lots of stuff in change even fake foreign money like pounds that were never made. I made the mistake of getting nickels this time around and I think the teller had Covid because I just caught it today. I did find a Helvetica money in the nickels but I still got to do a little research to find out if its from the exonomia people or legitimate money. The exonomia people here definitely out number the coin hobbyists. The Magic gamers outnumber everybody. Seriously the college walmart break room the hospital at night the bars they are literally everywhere even at the At&T store they all play and collect magic cards theirs like five shops but only one coin shop. The exonomia club is private but they conference with the womens right to work folks so they buy,sell and trade at fire stations and infront of the police department all fake stuff folders full of junk mostly kids from the Highschool. The Pawn Shop doesn't want those kind of people around like outcasts to them but I don't blame them that stuff is bad for business. I like my piece of junk 1909 it's my first but my real first wheat penny was found out to be a 1927 popular mechanics manufacturers penny a birthday penny for people born in 1927 it has no rim and is lightweight and black but it's my first wheat penny. I misplaced it when I was cleaning up the house but I will find it one of these days. Are house is small but kind of a mess their is boxes of non-perishable food stacked up everywhere energy drinks boxes of cokes seltzer canned goods wine all from the free food days. I Love Oregon man In Vermont we struggled just to stay warm and coin roll hunting is when you could spare the money but not in Oregon  bills are like 300 a month and the rest is savings. I don't miss cutting down tree's all summer and getting ticks fleas and mosquito bites from the woods. I do miss the clean fresh air though Vermont's got some of the healthiest green forests and I miss building the igloo and starting a fire to cook the meat. I wood never shoot a dear in Oregon dainty little things probably to tiny to bleed out but in the East the young tender spike horn is delicious. Dad's right though focus on collecting real coins from antique dealers and such. I did get a real good deal on ebay though I used promo codes from ampex,groupon,and paypal to get about 500 in semi key date wheat cents I didn't have all to fill a set all except 1914-d and 1909 svdb and 1909-s which are the real key dates. I figure I will get the three through trade I just found a dealer who supplies all four antique shops with random stuff coins included. He says alot of his stuff comes from Idaho and oregon He buys out estates and lets stuff go for enough to pay a small salary whatever that means. He says he will keep me in mind for buying rolls of old pennies but can't make promises on gold or silver as that stuff comes with two paydays one at the time he gets it to the dealer and again when all his stuff sells. He mostly consigns stuff and if it doesn't sell he refunds the money and takes it to storage and then uses public party and craigslist to get rid of it. I got 10 1926-s buffalo nickels to go with the one I got from the antique shop but I paid a pretty penny I'm afraid 25 a piece but thats what it's gonna take to build my credit back after no spending for a year. I can't wait to find out what kind of coins my brother is send all foreign antique money but I gotta send him some of the wine and parmesano Reggiano though because we got alot and I don't drink the stuff but I love me some parm. It ain't all foot loose and fancy free in Oregon though we got a huge homeless population they sometimes crash in the yard or the side garden and I gotta bring them a meal and a soda. I just look for them when I'm Craiglisting I got one I gotta help she is new to Newport and asking for bottle money because she spent her money on rent and got a few items from the shelf but Christmas is coming and her sons coming home for Christmas. She has had a job for two weeks but thinks that will just go to next months rent. I would share some food but Newport is to far away besides my buddy gets a discount on gift certificates to lots of shops because he works at Walmart and the Hospital where I work. I think safe way and Walmart is good though they are in Newport. I can't imagine if I was still in the service and coming home for the first time and their was no food in my mommas fridge. She says she's got serial and milk and stuff but that's not real food. I gotta give back like people did for me when I was a Sea Bee. People were always real nice in the Sea Bee's they would give half a sandwich if you ran out of money or couldn't go to the Galley on time due to projects, or had no money because uniform allowance was to little to re-up to a new uniform. In Mississippi those people new how to Party and feed everybody everything was cheap though 8.00 all you can eat at Chong's Garden and 1.50 a pitcher of beer at the cabana or the bee spot. All the semi key dates I got came from my pay pal account because I sold one of those fakes I found some years back as a fake some years back it surprised me the money was still in the account after so long it was amazing. So in all reality's sake I paid one cent to get 1923-s,1926s,1915-s,1912-s because I left my 1912-s somewhere in the garage and can't find it, 1914s,1927s 2 rolls of those, 1911s,1913s, and 1926d. Now all I got left to collect is 1909 s vdb, 1909-s and 1914-d. My guess is my book of g4 flying eagles my 1932p's my 2009 copper satins my 2000 wide am's and my g4 indian heads are all bait to get the 1909 s vdb but I wouldn't trade the best of the best and I will definitley use ngc and pcgs coin facts to find an authentic. So what's everybody finding or buying any rare rolls of stuff?         

[VKurtB]

On 12/21/2022 at 3:33 PM, pigeonman333rd said:

Hey it's better then finding play money!

Spielmarken are a collectible category, more so than roadkill is. 

Edited December 22, 2022 by VKurtB

[pigeonman333rd]

Tokens right tokens don't come with Federal penalties and Dad is retired Federal Officer so Father nose best but his nose is what got him to swipe that Helvetica from the kitchen counter and into his books before I could take pictures. Nothing special about it but it would have been nice to take a picture it had a pretty obverse. Here's a picture of what I found in $200 worth of nickels. Some 1940's no silver nickels that Helvetica but it's out of the picture but I will find it it's in his safe somewhere. A few 1950's a one 1939 nickel one 1909 cent one 1932-d cent and one more 1944  "Spielmarken" or token rusty old thing at least I think it's another one of those it looks rusty but that could be copper corrosion from being in the ground we got to clean up so can find my magnet. So this coin roll hunt had one success the 1909 cent because it's a first found of that date but I have found one more rare in the past a cleaned 1910-s. I just checked with a magnet from the fridge its copper 1944 false alarm. This will be my last coin hunt of the year due to quarantine. All my appointments are on hold till end of quarantine. I need to find more sources for change I would like to have like $500 worth on back up to go through an hour a night on work days and all day on day off. I didn't find any key date nickels so I will roll them for a rainy-day trade off. I did however find a coworker who wants my help to decifer a value of her great Grandfathers estate supposedly 3 safes full of rolled and certified cased stuff in folders. She said he has Susan b Anthonys and walking lady liberties and moon medals and proof setts. I told her it sounds like junk but I will bring my red book and see what I can do to find prices on some stuff. She just wants to do something with them other then turn the coins into the bank. My guess she would probably except a dollar above face value a roll but they would have to be good rolls actually worth something. Clad dollars certified may have value to some one but not me. I figure help her get ebay set up and take pictures for her and see what sells it's going to cost me my sleep after all the quarantine of course but for my time I hope she's not greedy because I helped some one sell his trade dollars one time in Vermont and he didn't give me or offer to sell me nothing no free Lunch no nothing biggest waist of time ever. I guess I will never learn no good deed goes unpunished but I'm prepared for that this time but she's the lead Chef so hopefully help ends up a home cooked meal with the family.

[pigeonman333rd]

Here's that Helvetica, it looks nice common change not worth anything but a saver for the foreign change book.

[pigeonman333rd]

I know my idea of buying 1982 copper small date cents unc rolls was a bad idea so I craigslist them at $5 a piece but the caller asked for a price reduction of 1.00 to buy one roll of unc detail coins and I told him these are not advertised unc detail they are red and I pre-searched them so they are red culls. He said oh I just want them because that's my birthday year and I press them with a coin press for elongated pennies to sell on etsy. I just hung up the phone. No need to feed sites that support China or support people that make junk from real us currency. Maybe the guys right 1 dollar is fair to buy 50 but not to somebody making fakes out of them.

Edited December 22, 2022 by pigeonman333rd

[pigeonman333rd]

On 12/22/2022 at 3:28 PM, pigeonman333rd said:

I know my idea of buying 1982 copper small date cents unc rolls was a bad idea so I craigslist them at $5 a piece but the caller asked for a price reduction of 1.00 to buy one roll of unc detail coins and I told him these are not advertised unc detail they are red and I pre-searched them so they are red culls. He said oh I just want them because that's my birthday year and I press them with a coin press for elongated pennies to sell on etsy. I just hung up the phone. No need to feed sites that support China or support insufficiently_thoughtful_persons that make junk from real us currency. Maybe the guys right 1 dollar is fair to buy 50 but not to somebody making fakes out of them.

I did not put insufficently thoughtful persons into my writing that's a total typo. I wonder if it's that Wondering character that posted over me in an old 2020 post?

[J P M]

Here ya go, I found this in the change jug this morning. Not in to very good condition but still kind of a fun find.

Edited December 23, 2022 by J P M

[pigeonman333rd]

On 12/11/2022 at 7:16 PM, pigeonman333rd said:

I have no idea how I won this it was so cheap I started the bid with .56 cents with a max bid of three dollars because it looks like a unc coin with a bust not fully minted and I wanted it but had a feeling it would go up to about 4 maybe five dollars in six days but nope it went up to $2.84 and I won it and It looks better then my 1954 unc coins I got from rolls.  

Now this coin was definitely priced nicely to buy it however their is a deep scratch on Lincolns head visible under the loop. and a scratch through the wheat stalks. The last but not least fault of this coin is their is a frost all over the coin if you look at it with the light and the loop its an almost white green color. My other 1954 proof shows no known imperfections and has a bright red appearance however it has some cardboard dust from being in a case. I only paid .25 cents for the bright red coin whereas the coin in the image with the frosty look to it I paid $2.87 on ebay no complaints here on either one of the coins as they were both fairly priced however the red coin did come from a coin shop so the quality was far better with no frosty patina however both coins look better in pictures than in person so don't let the image fool you the coin is not perfect and the frosty look goes away in the light of the camera along with it's red opaque fields that disappear under the camera. I bought the coin because Lincolns bust front looks to be not fully struck and I like it it looks much different than a fully struck coin and is in my opinion a nice example.  

[pigeonman333rd]

On 12/23/2022 at 8:02 PM, pigeonman333rd said:

Now this coin was definitely priced nicely to buy it however their is a deep scratch on Lincolns head visible under the loop. and a scratch through the wheat stalks. The last but not least fault of this coin is their is a frost all over the coin if you look at it with the light and the loop its an almost white green color. My other 1954 proof shows no known imperfections and has a bright red appearance however it has some cardboard dust from being in a case. I only paid .25 cents for the bright red coin whereas the coin in the image with the frosty look to it I paid $2.87 on ebay no complaints here on either one of the coins as they were both fairly priced however the red coin did come from a coin shop so the quality was far better with no frosty patina however both coins look better in pictures than in person so don't let the image fool you the coin is not perfect and the frosty look goes away in the light of the camera along with it's red opaque fields that disappear under the camera. I bought the coin because Lincolns bust front looks to be not fully struck and I like it it looks much different than a fully struck coin and is in my opinion a nice example.  

sorry $2.87 is accurate not $2.84

[pigeonman333rd]

Nice Mariana Islands Quarter! Now here's one for the possible fakes list a 1917 wheat metal found at a garage sale in a rusty steel bezel. My guess it's a china fake but a nice specimen if you like Exonomia how ever it is oversized by like a millimeter so it doesn't fit in a standard penny case it's rims are kind of fat and I had to use acetone to remove a spot of green corrosion near the bow tie so probably legal to own but why anyone would make a non-rare anything is a mystery. I save it because one I don't have a better one and two I like the Rinkles on Lincolns forehead even my 1909 doesn't have that. The reason I think its fake is because it has a rough surface on the back like tiny bubbles or evidence of spark erosion on the reverse. Their was only one spot similar to the spots on the reverse on the front of this coin nearest the tie and it was green and I removed it with acetone and a cue tip. You can't really see the spot removal in the raw but in a case you can kind of see the circular swirl mark. The rim is heavily damaged but looks just like a circulation strike except for the slight oversized metal plink it was made on. The first image shows the lite swirl mark and another slight bit of damage two dings on the shoulder of Lincoln and a scratch on the temple. I tried for hours trying to get this thing out of the rusty bezel I wore gloves but in some images you can see where the steel rubbed the rim so this has got excessive damage. The second two images make the metal look convincing however the next image clearly shows some bubbly imperfections but not bad for a garage sale find. I do want to own a real one some day but for now metal will do just fine to hold the space till some hoards-men can show me a book of nice specimens to choose from. I do have a worn out few in rolls but none that have any eye appeal.

[pigeonman333rd]

If you look closely you can see cut marks from being inside the bezel because I kept turning it inside the bezel trying to free it up to the point that the rim has slight discoloration all around it kind of rainbow colored. On the obverse the cut marks scratched the rim up pretty deeply above trust and below the date.

[pigeonman333rd]

On 12/23/2022 at 6:17 AM, J P M said:

Here ya go, I found this in the change jug this morning. Not in to very good condition but still kind of a fun find.

Cool find does the W stand for Westpoint?

[Sandon]

On 12/26/2022 at 1:38 PM, pigeonman333rd said:

Cool find does the W stand for Westpoint?

  Yes, the "W' stands for the West Point mint.  In 2019 and 2020 the West Point mint issued two million of each National Parks quarter in circulation quality with the "W" mint mark. These coins were mixed into some bags of "P" or "D" mint quarters of each such issue.  The idea was that this would somehow stimulate interest in coin collecting among the general public. It appears instead that collectors and dealers who had connections with bank personnel who were on the lookout for these coins intercepted a substantial number of them in uncirculated condition to sell at a premium, while the rest of them have passed into circulation mostly unnoticed and are becoming worn and beat up like the one found by @J P M.

[pigeonman333rd]

Awesome Find JPM congratulations and Happy Hunting And Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays too All you Guys. I'm taking a break from reading the Red Book to enjoy a new read another Red Book called A Guide Book of Lincoln Cents by Q. David Bowers. I find the topic more inviting and I have had the book a lot longer then the big Red book but I will return to the Big Red book intermittently like learning anything one book serves as the others break. 

[pigeonman333rd]

I was sorting out a box of 1999-2010 coin roll finds that have been stashed away in the garage to see if they would change most are in coin bags or cases but I was shocked when I found my 2010 stash of coins I thought could be unicorn MS70's I know I don't know much I thought back then all you needed was a copy of the Sheldon coin grading scale from wikipedia to coin roll hunt for quality I still no nothing about cleaned coins or the ANA real grading standard I just used the guidelines with no pictures and now I try to use the Sheldon scale and get lost I simply had more patients back then now I use the Red Book Deluxe but anyway I found my coins from 13 years ago that I thought I lost in California I have a 2004-d,2005-d,2006-d,2007-d,2008-d and a 2010 p cents that I want to have certified by ANA. Here's a picture they are still in the bags and I always wore gloves. Now keep in mind I did forty boxes but never in Vermont or in Oregon only in Port Hueneme California did I ever think I found an MS70 they just look so velvety soft copper brilliant and no spots no hairline scratches no nothing full pillars and steps full hairline Lincoln just looks untouched. The way I spotted them was how they looked so bright and velvety clean from the rim looking at them in the roll like a bright band among other colored bands so I slipped them out to check them first then thumbed the roll. The rims were the dead give away they looked so even compared to color changing rims or partially shiny over bright rims these rims match in color velvety red. I hope the bags haven't damaged them they are bags from a coin shop the cheap 1.99 kind but the big bag is a .99 cent store variety so it could have pvc where the coin bags were poly something or other but thirteen years dang it feels like yesterday! Sorry about the bad picture I had to use my phone the sd card got wet when the tenet overflowed the bathtub cause she was smoking and forgot and my ceiling caved in and water went every where I hope my camera still works both my SD cards got wet. I currently live in the living room. So this was my coin find of the day still got to take my nickels back I tested negative for Covid on Christmas so I'm all better thanks Guys!  

[pigeonman333rd]

So here's a picture of something I'm working on I bought a coin book with coins in it 1909-1958 pds I thought but it goes to 1974 so i'm going through coin bags pulling all the 1959-1974 brown pennies to fill out the thing. I got most of the thirties except I had to sacrifice one of my 1931-s cents to put in it I bought a 1912-s cause I can't find mine I had a 1910-s found in change I have a few 1924-s mint marks and I just ordered about a dozen 1924-d cents at 30 a piece which was outrageous and about a dozen 1922-d cents a few of them look like p's or weak d's for like 150 bucks so that was cool all culls but it's better than using nice coins I shopped for a 1931-s but most have that altered s so I just used one of mine. I should be able to finish the 1959-1974 from the 1999-2010 coin box but if not I will go get another decade box of junk I kept to finish it I have them Its just hard to find brown I might have to search rolls because I usually throw the brown 1959-1974's back I have some saran wrapped rolls in boxes of just copper pennies that might make it easier from when I was a kid and thought to keep all the copper ones plus I can research them for 1982 copper small dates and put the rest back into change that I don't use. I was surprised this set had all the teens except 1914-d I've got lots of teens in rolls more than I can count and I might find a 1914-d in their you never know. I need help from an expert to get 1909-s vdb 1909 s and 1914-d because I don't want fakes in my set. Originally I planned on buying a roll of 1924-d cents from Ampex for 1000 dollars to increase the hoard but someone beat me to it. So I got like 11 at 30 a piece which sucks because I really wanted 50 at 20 a piece. Better Luck next time I guess. I wonder who the Luck one is that got that roll? I look for rolls but I often have to come up with the money and I was late finding it so I lost out darn it. What surprises me as I have only about a page of 1909 coins and only 1 1909 vdb un certified that I used to fill this set. I plan to expand my coin roll hunt this month do dimes try to find a silver 1965 or a clad 1964 dime. I bought 2 ms 67 1996 Westpoint dimes because my Westpoint dime disappeared in the move from Vermont to Oregon. I don't plan to collect them all but I did get a 1998-s silver dime for a dollar.My dad bought a Jefferson nickel folder for a buck at Hospice thrift so I will put what I find in nickels into it for fun.  

[pigeonman333rd]

So I went shop hopping again today and found a lapis lazuli and agate crystal geode for 10 bucks a doves egg sphere stone for 16 bucks and 6 silver dimes plus 2 1909 cents in g4 condition on the cents very fine on 5 dimes and one1918 ag3 for 16 bucks. Dad found a silver 1964 twenty five cent  Canadian proof quarter and silver dollar proof for 20 bucks and a 1868 five cent piece and two 1912 no cents v nickels for 10 bucks. So not much to report other than I think I spent to much on my 11 1924-d cents and my 1922-d cents with a few 1922 no D's in the mix but they would have to be certified I don't see a D but they could be faint D's which makes them value less. If I get enough d's to fill books I will be happy the no D has no place in the coin book I'm filling. Oh and I made a mistake with one of the street dealers I thought I was buying 6 buffalo nickels for 6 bucks but it ended up one 1937 s buffalo nickel and three 1943 s and two 1944-s nickels. Alot of tag shops selling coins now because we asked for them, thrift stores are dealing with the dealers and selling Morgans and dimes and Indian heads mostly but they mark them up 1 dollar above red book so I guess it's back to the streets and a few antique dealers that get better deals then the street vendors. My venture tomorrow is to meet with a friend made on craigslist to try to come to a deal but fat chance I am not good at dealing with a con man but I think he is a good guy but how we met was my add for 1982 small date cents and I don't think he's a con man really it's just some of the things he says he can get I have my fear that they are not genuine but I will do my homework before spending any money! If I'm right and this guys a con man it will show in his product but I got to give him the benefit of the doubt. He says he can sell wheat pennies in extra fine 45 like their going out of style and unc coins but we will see if he takes my offer on one of his items for 100 of mine plus 400 bucks. If I'm wrong then I'm out 500 bucks but if I'm right I get the chance to return a piece of national treasure. I hope you are all doing well and have a Good Night NGC Fellows!    

[J P M]

Be careful who you buy from pigeonman it is not always what you think it is. There are no guaranties on the street. 

Edited January 3, 2023 by J P M

[The Neophyte Numismatist]

After reading the pages of this thread, "Be careful" is a really good theme.  I know everyone has fantasies about finding that raw coin and "making" it, but laying-out good money for raw coins is likely to be a loss leader unless you are an expert at grading and counterfeit detection. This thread has several purchased coins that will details grade, or worse... NOT genuine.

If you find them, fine.... but, buying raw coins is risky, and almost all of the coins on this thread are bad risk (fake, cleaned, damaged, recolored etc).  It would serve better (financially) to slow down and buy a few problem free pieces, than to build a mountain of problem coins.  But, everyone is free to collect however they wish - that's the beauty of the hobby.

So back to my point - be careful, make sure you are making the best decisions to process your collecting strategy.

[pigeonman333rd]

On 1/3/2023 at 8:39 AM, The Neophyte Numismatist said:

After reading the pages of this thread, "Be careful" is a really good theme.  I know everyone has fantasies about finding that raw coin and "making" it, but laying-out good money for raw coins is likely to be a loss leader unless you are an expert at grading and counterfeit detection. This thread has several purchased coins that will details grade, or worse... NOT genuine.

If you find them, fine.... but, buying raw coins is risky, and almost all of the coins on this thread are bad risk (fake, cleaned, damaged, recolored etc).  It would serve better (financially) to slow down and buy a few problem free pieces, than to build a mountain of problem coins.  But, everyone is free to collect however they wish - that's the beauty of the hobby.

So back to my point - be careful, make sure you are making the best decisions to process your collecting strategy.

Yes that's true however I do believe the guy I met with today is not the best to hang out around he has more guns than coins and just said yesterday I had a coin today I don't so no bartering thanks but no thanks. I'm mean I carry but who needs what I seen? My guess is if I got to find coin friends it's going to be at a coin show. If I was into poke Mon baseball cards and magic and alot of gun parts I would think I met a good new friend. I wasn't dumb I carried my pistol. I realize I buy low grade coins but so do many other people here we are not rich and craigslist is how you get rid of what you no longer need. I am going back to the antique shop to try to make a trade tomorrow he's got a 1908-s g4 indian head its real but I brought some coins in he says he would be glad to trade for but I think his partners going to shut that deal down I think they are gay but can't swear to it probably just old and friendly I'm horrible at figuring that type of stuff out but I can't pay 100 dollars for it's worth like 20 bucks to me same as any 1909 indian head but the s is more rare but not 100 dollars rare uncertified plus I like the wood grained planchet looks like gold on copper but the indian is missing liberty on the head band. Hey after not spending a whole year I've racked up a 2000 dollar credit card bill but when I pay I always pay more than the minimum. I've been looking at my unc fifties folder and I have spent as high as a dollar a piece on those things in the past and they look way better then say my certified ms grade 1909's but I think one of those certified ones in the pcgs case ms63 is fake because the vdb has no slant in the b even if it is certified and I did pay 83 dollars for it. I would roll hunt more often but the bank only allows so many trips a month to turn in and pick up. The street people here bring in most of the coins to the shops they go begging and people just give them stuff so if I don't get to the shops every other day I miss out like for example 1927-s rolls here are way cheaper than online and mercury dimes in dime bags for 6-10 for a dollar I missed today because I slept in. I paid 6 for 6 yesterday darn it. If it were not for the homeless bringing stuff in to sell or trade for a hot meal and a shower business would not be the same. Dad got Lucky today though 15 bags of hot Cheetos for a barber dime we got the Cheetos for a faded old 1908 p. And we got that coin 6 for 6 bucks so one dollar spent. Work is another place people try to sell their latest coin finds but nothing for me yet. I got offered a 1957 quarter for a buck a few indian heads I mean I offered five bucks for it but I feel that would be a foolish purchase just like my 1982 bronze small date hoard I havent sold a single one but 1927-s and 1926-d cents have been easy to sell some at a dollar for g4's and 4 for very fine with full wheat stocks reverse but it's all just gas money for mom she loves to drive to all the stores an I love her she buys so much fancy coffee and snack food like pizza I spoiled my dinner. I used to have two rolls of 1927-s cents last week but I got a page and a half left due to people calling from Craigs list however I get alot of prank calls saying are you a real seller are you a robot and people making requests over the phone but never calling back when I find the item for them. Ebay for selling is a losers game when all you got is junk but if you got certified stuff it's a great place to sell. I only own a few certified coins but the ones I do have I really like but I paid to much! Each one I paid like $20 over the red book value and my 1909 vdb's their ms64 and ms63 red worth 30 dollars each and I paid 120 for the ms 64 because it was advertised top pop in 2004 and the ms63 I recently bought for 83 and I overpaid by 53 dollars so I see what you mean I got to slow my buying and I have I do the local thing because I feel less guilty then online but some shops and people will play nice while others will red book you on everything. When they red book me I just buy food from them instead it's my weakness chocolate mostly the shops got cafe and chocolate and it's really creamy and good expensive but better than paying red book prices in thrift stores. I need a better hobby I love pigeons but their is not enough light here to produce birds so I started coin collecting where before I was strictly a coin roll hunter. I'm bringing in lights this year to give my birds 16 hours I hope it works so I can raise 20-40 birds a year again right now I get 3 every season and then none all winter which is strange breeding season has been my life since I was 8 years old but now I go to my loft to feed clean and not for much else but that will change when I rig up some lights. I have avoided buying any 1914-d, 1909-s and 1909 svdb cents due to not really being able to spot a fake however alot of them look fake online when compared to pcgs coin facts picture so I watch but just don't bid. I did however buy a 1909-svdb for 26 dollars because it looked real but doubtful at that price. Advertised as real but I just want to put it in a unc set till I can have a house collect the rent and pay for a real one. I have had offers on my 2009 copper satin cents but for junk clad Dollars highly unlikely worth anything but a dollar all Eisenhower ones no Morgans or trade dollars but trade dollars according to the red book could be counterfeit anyway so I avoid those at the shops. Things have changed since 2017 everyone is selling gold Indian and Mexican folks just pull up in the yard and try to sell you something now. My guess all 14k fake. I know I said ebay is bad to sell junk but I found 6 1922-d cents for 40 bucks I love ebay for that. My favorite part is giving outstanding reviews. I'm afraid Chef Heidi won't let anybody check out her coins yet she has attachment to great Grand Daddy's hoard but I will keep studying in case she comes around. I get excited any time I open a roll or get a new semi key date cull lot or find 4 for a dollar deals. I work with Heidi later tonight I wonder if she's a member here yet or if she bought the red book to solve her own hoarding problem. I like her baking and seafood dishes but her gravy has to much pepper. My next coin roll hunt is a mystery because the bank said no more coins till I start using their cards but I can't see using that account being very wise its where I dump my change when I'm done with it I wonder how much is really in their I have never spent out of the local bank just dump change since 2017 I hope the other credit union doesn't expect me to declare that money when I take my loan I forgot it even existed. The bank said they new about my future loan and if I got issued a card and just bought gas on it they would compete for a better interest rate. I wonder how they knew I applied for a loan. I don't know how I did this but I filled a folder of 1909-1974 pds and spent 401 dollars on semi key dates that's to much I think. I still don't have 1909svdb 1909 s and 1914-d but I got it all full except 3 dates today. Any guess as to what one set complete sells for before I pay 420 for an 1909 svdb 100 for a 1909s and 150 for a 1914-d cent through the shops dealer? 

No worries Sandon I'm coin facting all my purchases before I purchase and getting cull key dates at bargain prices except the future three with all the money I've spent at the shop I expect extra fine or very fine for my money.     

[The Neophyte Numismatist]

@pigeonman333rd  I guess my point is that it does not take too many cleaned, damaged, or fake coins to put your whole collection underwater.  I am not saying that this should be in investment, because I do this for fun.  However, I try not to make too many costly mistakes, because I want to get the most coins for the most competitive price.  From my reading, you are dropping some money into this hobby, so I wanted to chime-in and make sure you are not saddled with a mountain of coins that you cannot sell.

However, it sounds like you are already in tune with selling coins, and this is a nuance I missed.  If you have found a strong market for the coins you are buying, you can (and should) throw all my advice out the window.  This is your hobby, and you can (and should) collect however you wish.  My intent was merely to try to help a new collector from consistently buying fake/details coins to avoid the disappointment the awaits in the future.

If you are looking for a "coin buddy", I am always happy to make a coin buddy.  I am newer, but I have learned a lot since I started.  I am still no where near the level of some of the guys on the forum, but I am happy to help and join in the fellowship wherever I can.

Edited January 4, 2023 by The Neophyte Numismatist