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[pigeonman333rd]

On 12/8/2022 at 1:30 PM, pigeonman333rd said:

 

 

 

 

I deleted this post because I wrote it and thought it was to inappropriate! I forgot no names sorry!

[EagleRJO]

On 11/15/2022 at 5:04 AM, pigeonman333rd said:

Here's a coin some one might be interested in buying its at auction right now until November 20th 2022 its on hibid.com the bid right now is 2400 dollars which is cheap for an 1856 flying eagle cent.

For that kind of money I wouldn't bid on anything that wasn't already slabbed by a TPG.

And that is coming from someone who's hands-down preference is raw coins.

Edited December 10, 2022 by EagleRJO

[pigeonman333rd]

On 12/10/2022 at 11:26 AM, EagleRJO said:

For that kind of money I wouldn't bid on anything that wasn't already slabbed by a TPG.

And that is coming from someone who's hands-down preference is raw coins.

So true however it went for $9500 to some Lucky seller! I would estimate the value if it is genuine however I believe it was a pcgs coin to be around $5,000 advertised as an AU55 but reasonably more like a VF20.

[EagleRJO]

On 12/10/2022 at 4:00 PM, pigeonman333rd said:

... if it is genuine

"That, detective is the right question ... program terminated"

[pigeonman333rd]

On 12/10/2022 at 1:28 PM, EagleRJO said:

"That, detective is the right question ... program terminated"

That's why I like them cheap and rare! If it's an investment how ever do you expect to pay for it! Currently still reading page 18.

[pigeonman333rd]

I never new native Americans used beaver pelts coco beans and rare prehistoric shells as currency. 

[EagleRJO]

On 12/10/2022 at 7:04 PM, pigeonman333rd said:

I never new native Americans used beaver pelts coco beans and rare prehistoric shells as currency. 

I knew about the pelts and beans, but not shells.  Any examples?

[VKurtB]

On 12/10/2022 at 9:54 PM, EagleRJO said:

I knew about the pelts and beans, but not shells.  Any examples?

Wampum was drilled out Quahog shells shaped into cylinder shapes, holed, and stitched into rectangular pieces. The more purple that showed in the shells, the higher the value. You know, just like crypto. 
 

https://ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Wampum_Belt#

 

Edited December 11, 2022 by VKurtB

[Just Bob]

On 12/6/2022 at 10:30 AM, pigeonman333rd said:

So I won last nights Auction some bidder went one dollar bid crazy for the last15 seconds the bid was 83 dollars and ended up 134.00 I lucked out my max bid was 200 dollars. Its an 1852 large cent with a cud mark obverse so it's an imperfect coin but I love those stars and the reason I'm spending the bank said I needed to use my card I hadn't used in over a year I was mostly paying cash for everything. I need to spend for my credit to go up! Ain't she pretty? My guess is she's an extra fine to an AU50.

I hope the handwritten notation "recol." doesn't mean what I think it does, because the color and finish of this coin look iffy.

[EagleRJO]

On 12/11/2022 at 12:51 AM, VKurtB said:

Wampum was drilled out Quahog shells shaped into cylinder shapes, holed, and stitched into rectangular pieces. The more purple that showed in the shells, the higher the value. You know, just like crypto.

Interesting.  I had heard of the Wampum beads being used to make necklaces as an art form as well as trade, and woven belts for ceremonial purposes, but I didn't know they were also used in trade as a colonial equivalent of modern day crypto. 

Edited December 11, 2022 by EagleRJO

[pigeonman333rd]

On 12/10/2022 at 7:54 PM, EagleRJO said:

I knew about the pelts and beans, but not shells.  Any examples?

No I'm sorry I was just reading about them in the red book I did have a squirrel pelt once though. I used to sleep with it on my face softer then a pillow.

[pigeonman333rd]

On 12/10/2022 at 10:43 PM, Just Bob said:

I hope the handwritten notation "recol." doesn't mean what I think it does, because the color and finish of this coin look iffy.

It's ok theirs damage to the five theirs ware to the hair the card says au55 obv/ms60 rev but I new that was incorrect due to faults and recoloring. I want it to start a new full star collection. Coins in my set can have damages I just want full stars.

[pigeonman333rd]

I did find some beads tilling the garden some black obsidian some turquoise blue some pearl white. They belong to my mother now so I have to ask to post any pictures. I hope she lets me post her gem collection I got them really cheap in Afghanistan. Not to big not to small just a few carrots each I think I paid 83 dollars for the lot. I got free cartons of smokes and a free emerald from china as well as a bounce for being such a generous customer. The Emerald from china is probably not real since everything from china is a fake they said it was smuggled out but literally looks to green to be Emerald . Their is also a fossilized shell that supposedly is a Geode from Guam's corral reef sold to my by a Chinamen at hotel Niko for five dollars. It looks like an oyster shell. I doubt it's really a Geode  or that it really came from the great corral reef I've seen uncut geodes in Texas and they are shaped differently. Those guys had alot of Gold but it was probably fake. I never bought any due to no xrf test on Guam or in Afghanistan. People thought I was crazy but I followed the rules never talk to young folks always consult the Haji before talking to anyone keep your eyes low when women are present and stay inside at 1 o-clock when it is prayer time. Others did what ever their little American Hearts Desired not me to Afraid to be stupid! Besides most of the people who criticized me for buying gems and shells bought Persian rugs what they didn't know was I was the one who helped the Hagi get his rugs from the Chinamen for trade for wood to burn. So those genuine rugs everyone was buying were really product of China. I was the Pigeonman then and still the Pigeonman! I never could get a pair their I tried they have these pigeons when they are born they are ash-red and after one year old they turn white for the rest of their life. I did find some at the pigeon show though some lady imported them they are called Ann's Angels. As far as coins I turn them in tomorrow but can't pick up till I get a call from the credit union. I'm going to go for bags and ask for nickels and quarters by the box pennies are best by bag but it's mixed change from coin star. May be hit up the pawn shop and antique store today the guy called last week said he got flying eagles. I never have found one worth buying from him his prices are low to high but his grades are inaccurate. The good thing is his coins range from five to 20 dollars regardless of actual value or certification. I just never found anything I liked other then a few au55 v nickels for dad 2 for five was what I bartered for that day probably worth a dollar but fun to haggle. I try not to buy anything less than extra fine forty for flying eagles and I don't mind corrosion and I love a cleaned coin but Ms coins don't thrill me much. I have yet to see an MS coin that looks new like a cleaned coin. MS coins take better pictures though where cleaned coins look all faded. The pon shop here has some cool gold coins but they want too much nothing under 500 dollars really you would think they would have to be antiques to pay that much. Wish me Luck on my way to the shops and I will Show you guys If I buy anything I think I will put my limit at 1000 dollars and hopefully find something to post here. I rarely find anything because these guys are pro's and without XRF highly unlikely to buy gold maybe silver though. I gotta try Eugene one of these days they sell gold and have XRF but I want antique gold nothing new.    

[pigeonman333rd]

So I gotta wait on the pawn shop trip/Antiques shop trip but I did get permission from mom to show her GIA certified collection we got these GIA cards but she has them filed. So the native American beads were found in the garden so they have no certificates with them but the emeralds all do except for the one labeled China Emerald. Their are tanzanite crystals they are purple to blue stones but don't confuse them with the pear shaped blue stones that are a matching pair those are blue Safire's. The emeralds all have lines in them so they are not treated. I studied the GIA website before I bought these. The purple stones are raw uncut rubies they do have clear spots I checked them with a light and a jewelers loop. They also have certifications but not GIA ones they are certifications from Pine Share Afghanistan they just say clear red ruby raw with the geographic location where they came from. The blue thing in a necklace pendent is moonstone and the grey rock is the shell shaped stone that supposedly is a geode the Chinamen showed me with this meter that alarm's because the rock has crystals in it. The tanzanite in the case has the highest GIA Grade its a princes cut if I remember correctly but certified or not last time I checked those things are cheap. I had to wait on these things about a month after buying them because Mazar the Hajis main distributer of stones had to send them off to get certified at no extra charge but it made me nervous I checked back like a dozen times before I got them back but I got to hold on to the China Emerald so I figured if they ripped me off I at least got one stone to show for my spending spree. Eighty three dollars was alot from a service member E-2 salary. My favorite is the flat ruby and the little tiny emeralds both are clear without a light and loop I kept those on me till we left Afghanistan the rest I sent home for the cost of one Monster Energy drink for the Postman. He offered to send my weed seeds home but I ditched them after my bunk mates got caught for smoking the stuff. So stupid why would they smoke when you know you get tested every two weeks?  It would have been so cool to have the Mazari Sherriff strain of hash Plant which is what they were supposed to be. Those guys were dumb I love them  but remember what Mazar told me never smoke the green Ganja they feed to camel collect then dry then smoke. Yuck! So they were literally smoking poop. Sorry if the pictures are not great mom's room is cramped and dark and hard to take pictures in their. I got a big piece of Lapiz Azuli too but it's in my dads fish tank. I also got two big rubies from India cut stones not jewelry grade in the deal also GIA certified 1400 Karots and 2400 karots but I gave them to my ex-girlfriends Daughter she wanted them for her night stands. 

[pigeonman333rd]

Oh and I almost forgot I had gotten 4 quarter karot blue diamonds from Lightning ridge Australia for a Pack of genuine Marlbro regulars that cost me 100 dollars a carton at the Army's PX so 10 dollars. Mazar tried to tell me they needed to be certified but I was haste because they were in my hands and I wasn't willing to wait another month we were leaving soon and I gave them to my sister on her birthday she was born in April.

[pigeonman333rd]

On 12/10/2022 at 11:49 PM, EagleRJO said:

Interesting.  I had heard of the Wampum beads being used to make necklaces as an art form as well as trade, and woven belts for ceremonial purposes, but I didn't know they were also used in trade as a colonial equivalent of modern day crypto. 

I love your style dude Real American!

[pigeonman333rd]

So I'm back from the Antique stores and the Pawn Shop is closed on Sunday so no gold but I will try the pawn shop later on. I did find a lot for sale but I no nothing about silver I just see junk I like and buy it. I bought this lot specifically because I thought I seen a possible error coin its a 1984 D dime which is not silver but I wanted some small silver items to increase the volume of the collection. I probably paid $40 to much I paid $63 for the lot so let's see how I did. Here are two pictures I got a 1945 half dollar a few 1950's dimes a 1917-s buffalo nickel a few 1890's indian head cents a 1927 standing liberty quarter a 1964 silver dime I checked the rim it's silver a few 1950's quarters and a few mercury dimes one is 1918. Flying eagles were incredibly high priced 63 dollars a piece for corroded G4's and 8 dollars a piece for 1880's indian heads all g4's and 5 dollars a piece for 1890's Indian head G4's. Morgan's were selling right before our eyes for 65 for an 1883 G4 or worse and 80 for a 1900 better coin but didn't really get to see the coin he bought to well but way over what I would pay. No foreign silver unfortunately last time I got a mexican silver coin for around five bucks I think it was 4.99. They had small California Gold pieces 1853's 2 for 700 dollars but I found one for five bucks back in Vermont so obviously not worth anything. I think mine is fake though because no one would sell it for five bucks if it was real. The five dollar bin back in Vermont was mostly full of cards rings cheap jewelry and occasionally a large cent or two usually with the date but I always avoided that bin because it was expensive. I liked the dollar bin and four for a dollar bin that's were I got some of my best Indian heads from I want to go back to buy more coins. So what do you think of these I doubt I got my moneys worth but with time they may gain value. I think that 1917-s is worth 20 dollars and that half dollars probably worth five I love that dime regardless of weather or not its a genuine error or a heated and made coin it's cool worth the 63 bucks because its weird I would never sell it. I probably got 28 dollars in silver like one ounce. The biggest prize of this sale was helping out small business for me that is how you help the community! I'm guessing these are all double retail price but my emphasis here was to get that weird 1984 but is it a melted coin or an error I would like to know so I can label it melted or error! 

[pigeonman333rd]

I hope on the next coin roll hunt I get at least one 1982-p copper small date cent and I want to start saving any uncirculated 1959 cents even though both coins are high mintages I have only a few unc 1959's and I like the full strike of that coin and as far as 1982 p copper small dates I will roll them unless I see one with full steps no spots or scratches but their can be light ware.

[pigeonman333rd]

I have no idea how I won this it was so cheap I started the bid with .56 cents with a max bid of three dollars because it looks like a unc coin with a bust not fully minted and I wanted it but had a feeling it would go up to about 4 maybe five dollars in six days but nope it went up to $2.84 and I won it and It looks better then my 1954 unc coins I got from rolls.  

[Lem E]

On 12/11/2022 at 5:07 PM, pigeonman333rd said:

emphasis here was to get that weird 1984 but is it a melted coin or an error I would like to know so I can label it melted or error! 

I would say that dime has some heat damage. I’d go with the melted tag. 

[Lem E]

On 12/11/2022 at 9:16 PM, pigeonman333rd said:

I have no idea how I won this it was so cheap I started the bid with .56 cents with a max bid of three dollars because it looks like a unc coin with a bust not fully minted and I wanted it but had a feeling it would go up to about 4 maybe five dollars in six days but nope it went up to $2.84 and I won it and It looks better then my 1954 unc coins I got from rolls.  

I’m not 100% sure with the pics but, it looks possibly plated to me. Could be a legit proof though.

Edited December 12, 2022 by Lem E

[pigeonman333rd]

Plated like gold plated do they do that to pennies. Wow or a proof that would be cool that's worth like 10 dollars retail 20 dollars red book. I was hoping it was brilliant unc because I got 2 1954 proofs from a dollar bin a while back. Could it be a proof and still  be a weak strike because the bottom of the bust is not fully struck?

[pigeonman333rd]

Unfortunately some of the junk I found I tried to counter stamp with a copy punch so I could keep them in the garage and it obliterated them they are not really made of solid metal and weighed 2.7-1.7grams not 3.1 grams theses appear to have black powder or stone or ceramic material inside them they are copper coated and metal plated but I threw them in the trash because the stamper either gets stuck in them or completely destroys them. Oh well total loss 1.50 in change plus 55.00 for the stamper. It would have been nice if I would have just denied the box to search instead of excepting them as change. Good thing is that's 150 of them out of existence. The funny thing is the black powder kinda made my eyes itch so I put on a mask and goggles as PPE. Dad read the laws and insisted we counter stamp them. We used a wire to hold the stamper and dad used a sledge instead of a mallet I think he was just upset with me for using my credentials to obtain them in the first place. He's retired Federal officer so he doesn't act kindly with things that are against the law. I hope I don't get in trouble for signing to receive all that junk I mean it was over 15 years ago and we did destroy it eventually. The good thing is his Morgan 1893-s counter stamped beautifully you can barely notice it, at least that one was made of real metal. We had fun smashing stuff and I had a drink for the first time in over a year because I got time off because of surgery, but it got rescheduled so it really would have been nicer to still be making money. However time smashing stuff with Dad is price less. Nothing to report other then bringing more coins back to the bank today hopefully they except them this time last time they denied me because they said the appointment got canceled and they tried to call me but my message machine was full and yesterday we drove a friend to go pick up his car so no time to bring change back. I was grateful though dad said my 1856 appears to be over 100 years old as advertised and the law says if it's a really old copy it doesn't have to be counter stamped. He said your receipt says antique copy so that's your evidence you can keep it tell told otherwise. I feel so much better those things are out of my life! Now we each have one fake but the rest genuine I paid 500 euros for mine and 3,150 for his he loves his and I love mine. I hope he's right about the laws though because if my one and only 1856 gets taken from me then that would be such a heart breaker. 

[pigeonman333rd]

Dad loves his new copy stamper he plans to use it on any rod iron furniture he redoes before he sells it so people can't come back and say they assumed what they bought was a genuine antique even though they could be he says it was good investment to just put copy on anything some one might think is an antique it does society a favor. Mom says stay away from all her stuff because she collects antiques. 

[pigeonman333rd]

So I tried getting  two bags of pennies, one box of quarters and one box of nickels but instead was given $200 worth of nickels to search so I am excited on the look out for 1940's silver nickels and buffalo nickels this coin roll hunt!

[pigeonman333rd]

Good morning I started my nickel roll hunt when I spotted something right off the bat a wheat penny my very first 1909 but I have a question is it an S mint mark? It is heavily scratched up so I can't tell here's a picture under the coin camera. If it is it's one for a new book I bought which has all dates filled except 15 key dates which I have all but two 1909 s vdb and 1909 s. I can't wait till it gets here so I can start a book using what ever I don't have from the set and up grade all the ones I have in unc, extra fine and so on the best I got.  

[pigeonman333rd]

I have to go back to my nickels now I hope someone can help me!

[pigeonman333rd]

Sorry got so excited forgot to take it out of the case because I cased it as soon as I found it.

[pigeonman333rd]

[J P M]

On 12/20/2022 at 1:29 PM, pigeonman333rd said:

Sorry got so excited forgot to take it out of the case because I cased it as soon as I found it.

It looks more like PMD than a S mint mark to me Pigeonman