Can anyone help me identify/grade the coins I've just bought? 0

[imperatorcoaticus97]

I'm a new collector and have around 50 coins I need looked at & identified or taught to identify with mostly ancient roman but with a few greek, indian, byzantine and roman provincial ancient coins so I'm not gonna upload them all right now but if someone has the knowledge can we get in touch? because I'm still trying to learn the basics of identification. As a history lover, I started buying ancient coins a few years back and I've assembled a pretty diverse collection and figured hey why not try to make a business out of it!

Thanks, Andrew

Edited October 4, 2021 by andjeff19

[JKK]

I suggest you start by posting a couple, each in their own threads, well-cropped pics of both sides with weight and diameter, and ask a question. We have some pretty good ancients and Indian specialists here. Try saying what you think you have, but be ready to learn what it might be.

[Moxie15]

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[Oldhoopster]

So, you want members to to use their knowledge and expertise to ID your coins so you can sell them at a profit?

Try this site for IDs

Www.wildwinds.com

 

[Mohawk]

On 10/3/2021 at 6:40 PM, Oldhoopster said:

So, you want members to to use their knowledge and expertise to ID your coins so you can sell them at a profit?

Try this site for IDs

Www.wildwinds.com

 

Yep.  I'll help people who want to collect coins to collect them, but it's my policy not to help those out for a quick buck.  Too much damage has been done to the hobby by people with that mindset.

Edited October 3, 2021 by Mohawk

[JKK]

On 10/3/2021 at 4:18 PM, Mohawk said:

Yep.  I'll help people who want to collect coins to collect them, but it's my policy not to help those out for a quick buck.  Too much damage has been done to the hobby by people with that mindset.

Now he's probably wishing he'd just left that part out. Can't speak for anyone but myself, but I kind of appreciated the up-frontness.

[imperatorcoaticus97]

On 10/3/2021 at 6:18 PM, Mohawk said:

Yep.  I'll help people who want to collect coins to collect them, but it's my policy not to help those out for a quick buck.  Too much damage has been done to the hobby by people with that mindset.

Lmao! well alright then :-)... I was told to come to these forums to get help as an amateur with all aspects of ancient coinage, questions about identification, help pricing coins, and that the veterans here are extremely helpful etc. but clearly you seasoned vets are gatekeeping too hard for people "trying to make a quick buck" lmao what is that? I decided to start selling some of my collection, and that's a quick buck to you? I guess I'm about to be a millionaire quick! It looks like I decided to sell every single piece I own without knowledge of the plan! hahah

Edited October 4, 2021 by andjeff19

[imperatorcoaticus97]

On 10/3/2021 at 6:31 PM, JKK said:

Now he's probably wishing he'd just left that part out. Can't speak for anyone but myself, but I kind of appreciated the up-frontness.

nope not all, just dissapointed at the general uppityness of the responses to my OP, and btw thank you for an actual helpful response to OP. 

Edited October 3, 2021 by andjeff19

[Mohawk]

On 10/3/2021 at 7:31 PM, JKK said:

Now he's probably wishing he'd just left that part out. Can't speak for anyone but myself, but I kind of appreciated the up-frontness.

But there's a lot wrong with what this guy said.......I'll be responding to him and I'll make my points known.

[Mohawk]

Okay.....to the OP.....you have to understand that, for me and a lot of us, there are a lot of red flags in what you said.  First off, you say you're new at coins and you all of a sudden want to make a business out of it.  I can guarantee you that if you're new, you are not prepared to run a good coin business whatsoever.  The best dealers often have years or decades of experience as collectors before becoming dealers.  I sell coins myself, but I was a collector for 10 years before I sold a single coin.  New collectors make a lot of mistakes.  It's just a fact of life in this hobby.  You're going to screw up....we all do when we're new.  But if you do it as a collector, your screw-up only impacts yourself.  But if you're selling coins to collectors as a newbie and you screw up, which you will, your screw-up impacts another person who may be put off of coins forever because of their bad experience with a newbie who is trying to be a dealer who has no business being a dealer with the lack of experience that they have.  Trust me, I've been doing this 22 years and someone like you coming in trying to be a dealer right out of the gate is only a recipe for disaster.  I refuse to help that happen.  It happens enough already with sites like Etsy, Mercari and Alibaba....I'm certainly not going to help you do it, too.  From what you've typed, you're a disaster waiting to happen, in my experience.

Secondly, your request is a pretty big jerk move.  You come on here, wanting us to share our decades of knowledge with you for free so you can make a buck.  Think about that for a minute.....really think about this request that you made.  Read what you typed to us.  It's absolutely asinine, rude, thoughtless and pretty arrogant.  I know how to sell coins and I learned on my own. I collected for 10 years before selling a single coin. I networked with the numismatic community as a collector and learned from other collectors. I worked at a brick and mortar coin shop.  I built the necessary skill set and experience over a period of many years.  I learned by collecting, doing my own research and finding a job in the industry.  I certainly didn't come into somewhere as a newbie and ask experienced people to share their knowledge for free so I could try to make a buck at something that I would probably screw up and do damage to the hobby with my own lack of knowledge and experience.  You want to learn how to sell coins?  Okay.  I can teach you.  I've been doing it for 12 years.  Come talk to me when you've been collecting for at least 10 years and when you're prepared to pay me for what my knowledge is worth.  Then we can talk.

Edited October 4, 2021 by Mohawk

[imperatorcoaticus97]

On 10/3/2021 at 7:58 PM, Mohawk said:

Okay.....to the OP.....you have to understand that, for me and a lot of us, there are a lot of red flags in what you said.  First off, you say you're new at coins and you all of a sudden want to make a business out of it.  I can guarantee you that if you're new, you are not prepared to run a good coin business whatsoever.  The best dealers often have years or decades of experience as collectors before becoming dealers.  I sell coins myself, but I was a collector for 10 years before I sold a single coin.  New collectors make a lot of mistakes.  It's just a fact of life in this hobby.  You're going to screw up....we all do when we're new.  But if you do it as a collector, your screw-up only impacts yourself.  But if you're selling coins to collectors as a newbie and you screw up, which you will, your screw-up impacts another person who may be put off of coins forever because of their bad experience with a newbie who is trying to be a dealer who has no business being a dealer with the lack of experience that they have.  Trust me, I've been doing this 22 years and someone like you coming in trying to be a dealer right out of the gate is only a recipe for disaster.  I refuse to let that happen.  It happens enough already with sites like Etsy, Mercari and Alibaba....I'm certainly not going to help you do it, too.  From what you've typed, you're a disaster waiting to happen, in my experience.

Secondly, your request is a pretty big jerk move.  You come on here, wanting us to share our decades of knowledge with you for free so you can make a buck.  Think about that for a minute.....really think about this request that you made.  Read what you typed to us.  It's absolutely asinine, rude, thoughtless and pretty arrogant.  I know how to sell coins and I learned on my own. I collected for 10 years before selling a single coin.  I worked at a brick and mortar coin shop.  I built the necessary skill set and experience over a period of many years.  I learned by collecting, doing my own research and finding a job in the industry.  I certainly didn't come into somewhere as a newbie and ask experienced people to share their knowledge for free so I could try to make a buck at something that I would probably screw up and do damage to the hobby with my own lack of knowledge and experience.  You want to learn how to sell coins?  Okay.  I can teach you.  I've been doing it for 12 years.  Come talk to me when you've been collecting for at least 10 years and when you're prepared to pay me for what my knowledge is worth.  Then we can talk.

Again, I never said anything about making a buck, but you sure keep saying it. I was told to come here for literally every question I could think of so I made the OP. I really don't care about your opinion that I'll "mess up" selling coins, everyone messes up when they're starting something new, but to try and say I might ruin someone else's love for the hobby? That's quite a stretch. Secondly, read my OP again.... WHICH PART of my op am "I absolutely asinine, rude, thoughtless and pretty arrogant" because to me it looks like I'm just asking for some help from the people I was told to go to lmao. I clearly state "but if anyone has the knowledge can we get in touch?" that was directed at people wanting to help me, not yours or anyone else's antagonistic opinions on why my post "threw up red flags." NGC has a great reputation about this stuff and the help they give, but I won't be on here again after the ridiculously assumptive and and incorrect OPINIONS about me personally or the idea I had and decided to follow for reselling my own collection. I'll do it all on my own and wait 10 years before I resell anything just like you big guy, you are now my idol and I shall follow your business model as closely as possible! Funny part is I WOULD have paid you for knowledge LMAO! I didn't expect anything for free, another one of your assumptions. You've been super helpful, thank you 

Edited October 4, 2021 by andjeff19

[Mohawk]

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You've been super helpful, thank you 

Don't blame NGC.  I don't work for them.  And you're quite welcome 

Edited October 4, 2021 by Mohawk

[Mohawk]

On 10/3/2021 at 7:31 PM, JKK said:

Now he's probably wishing he'd just left that part out. Can't speak for anyone but myself, but I kind of appreciated the up-frontness.

In a way, I did too.  It made sure I didn't waste my time pawing through Aorta and Wildwinds for this guy.

Edited October 4, 2021 by Mohawk

[imperatorcoaticus97]

On 10/3/2021 at 8:27 PM, Mohawk said:

Don't blame NGC.  I don't work for them.  And you're quite welcome.

Never said ya did, I said your ridiculous incorrect assumptions have put me off to these forums and this community. So you've actually managed to hamper someone else's love for collecting just by that, remember what you said to me and hampering someone and their collecting? Why don't you go think about THAT for a minute just like you told me, "your screw-up impacts another person who may be put off of coins forever because of their bad experience" and go on your business? because I actually dwelled on what you said, later  

[Mohawk]

On 10/3/2021 at 9:42 PM, andjeff19 said:

Never said ya did, I said your ridiculous incorrect assumptions have put me off to these forums and this community. So you've actually managed to hamper someone else's love for collecting just by that, remember what you said to me and hampering someone and their collecting? Why don't you go think about THAT for a minute just like you told me, "your screw-up impacts another person who may be put off of coins forever because of their bad experience" and go on your business? because I actually dwelled on what you said, later  

A bad dealer can ruin the hobby for a lot of collectors.  Plain and simple.  If I ruined the love of the hobby for you, then I did and I apologize. However, based on your original post, I feel I was justified in my response.  I've seen this type of thing too many times. It always ends bad.

Edited October 4, 2021 by Mohawk

[imperatorcoaticus97]

On 10/3/2021 at 8:38 PM, Mohawk said:

In a way, I did too.  It made sure I didn't waste my time pawing through Aorta and Wildwinds for this guy.

something I could do myself, like I didn't know about the websites you just mentioned? other than wildlands which was posted earlier. Why couldn't you have just said go pawn through aorta and wildwinds yourself? wouldn't that have been easier? lmao 

Edited October 4, 2021 by andjeff19

[Mohawk]

On 10/3/2021 at 9:44 PM, andjeff19 said:

something I could do myself, like I didn't know about the websites you just mentioned? other than wildlands earlier which was posted earlier. Why couldn't you have just said go pawn through aorta and wildwinds yourself? wouldn't that have been easier? lmao 

I'm done.  I'm not going to spend all night fighting with you.  

[imperatorcoaticus97]

On 10/3/2021 at 8:43 PM, Mohawk said:

A bad dealer can ruin the hobby for a lot of collectors.  Plain and simple.  If I ruined the love of the hobby for you, then I did.  Based on your original post, I feel I was justified in my response.  

and I will 100% empirically be a bad seller correct? It's sweet you can see the future 

[imperatorcoaticus97]

On 10/3/2021 at 8:45 PM, Mohawk said:

I'm done.  I'm not going to spend all night fighting with you.  

Goodbye and good riddance. I'd much rather engage with someone offering help, which I never said I expected for free like you (again) incorrectly ASSUMED.

[Mohawk]

On 10/3/2021 at 9:45 PM, andjeff19 said:

and I will 100% empirically be a bad seller correct? It's sweet you can see the future 

Okay....I didn't say you'd always be a bad dealer.  I said that based on what you typed, you'd be one right now because of your lack of experience.  Years down the road, when you weren't a newbie and had more experience under your belt, you could be a very good dealer.  But a newbie does not have what it takes to be a good dealer.  The knowledge base just isn't there.  That's what I said.  10 years from now, it could be all different.  20 years ago, I would have been a bad dealer.  Because I didn't have the experience after only a couple years in the hobby to be a good one.  I'm not applying any standard to you that I wouldn't apply to myself.

Edited October 4, 2021 by Mohawk

[Mohawk]

On 10/3/2021 at 9:46 PM, andjeff19 said:

Goodbye and good riddance. I'd much rather engage with someone offering help, which I never said I expected for free like you (again) incorrectly ASSUMED.

You're taking this all too personally.....please read what I typed above this.

[imperatorcoaticus97]

On 10/3/2021 at 8:53 PM, Mohawk said:

You're taking this all too personally.....please read what I typed above this.

nah man I read the comment. Why don't you just leave me and the OP be. You've made your point loud and clear. "My OP is full of red flags, I'll be a terrible seller and will probably ruin someone's passion for coin collecting!" and trying to backtrack is just lame, so, later. 

Edited October 4, 2021 by andjeff19

[Mohawk]

On 10/3/2021 at 10:02 PM, andjeff19 said:

nah man I read what you edited the comment to. Why don't you just leave me and the OP be man. You've made your point loud and clear. "My OP is full of red flags, I'll be a terrible seller and will probably ruin someone's passion for coin collecting!" Later 

Yep.  That's the point and it's definitely true.  There's no denying that's the absolute truth at this moment in time.  And since there seems to be no discussing it with you, there's no point in saying anything but that.  

Edited October 4, 2021 by Mohawk

[imperatorcoaticus97]

On 10/3/2021 at 9:04 PM, Mohawk said:

Yep.  That's the point and it's definitely true.  There's no denying that's the absolute truth at this moment in time.  And since there seems to be no discussing it with you, there's no point in saying anything but that.  

There could have absolutely been some good private discussion, but instead you made it your mission to try and take me down publicly for a newb post, so we're here lmao. Like I said, later

[Mohawk]

On 10/3/2021 at 10:09 PM, andjeff19 said:

There could have absolutely been some good private discussion, but instead you made it your mission to try and take me down publicly for a newb post, so we're here lmao. Like I said, later

PM Sent.

[Oldhoopster]

This is what the OP is missing IMO

Knowledge has value.

If you're a collector who is trying to learn and grow in the hobby, I'll freely help if I can

If you're a business and will immediately profit from that knowledge (by improving your descriptions, accurate pricing, counterfeit detection, etc), pay me a consulting fee.  It took a lot of time and effort to gain that knowledge.  You can either Put in the time and effort to learn it yourself or pay for it.

Hope that helps explain the distaste many have for your request.

[Mohawk]

Just so the community knows.....Andrew and I talked over PM and worked everything out.  His initial post was not worded well, by his own admission.  And my reply was off the charts as well.  I would not have responded like I did if he had discussed it like he explained things to me.  I'm glad we worked it out......he's actually a collector before anything else, like most of us here, and he's just trying to get his toes wet and learn more.  I'm actually going to help him with a Faustina coin myself.  

Edited October 4, 2021 by Mohawk

[Just Bob]

So.... let's see some of those coins. I am not the Ancients guru that some are - JKK in particular - but I do like to try my hand at identification every now and then.

Just remember, Andrew: "close, clear, and cropped" is  the description of the pictures we like. (And right-side-up, if you know which way it goes. That part is not always easy to determine.) One coin per thread, so no one gets confused, and don't forget size and weight.

[imperatorcoaticus97]

On 10/4/2021 at 2:08 PM, Just Bob said:

So.... let's see some of those coins. I am not the Ancients guru that some are - JKK in particular - but I do like to try my hand at identification every now and then.

Just remember, Andrew: "close, clear, and cropped" is  the description of the pictures we like. (And right-side-up, if you know which way it goes. That part is not always easy to determine.) One coin per thread, so no one gets confused, and don't forget size and weight.

Awesome. I'll post a starter thread, the coins I'm gonna start off asking about are in the type of coin holder that is two pieces of cardboard stapled together with a plastic middle to see the coin, and they are labeled some in more detail than the others but even with the label I still know next to nothing about them like their grade, authenticity etc. I've got indian, a few ancient greek, and coins vaguely labeled "roman provincial" & "byzantine" I'll start with a few threads like JKK said, I'll be uploading here soon. I'm extremely eager to learn as much as I can

[Mohawk]

Hey Andrew!! I just finished with your Faustina in the PM......cool coin, by the way!! I'm looking forward to seeing more of what you've got there........