2021offset Lincoln 1 1

[Kevin Simpson]

                           Found this one in a new roll and was wondering if it was offset enough to have interest and or value. I didn't think that the newer coins could no longer be offset like this. seeing this I guess I must be wrong. any thoughts on it?

 Thanks in advance

[Just Bob]

Cool find!

[Kevin Simpson]

Thanks I think it's unusual, isn't it? I think I had better save this one.

[Fenntucky Mike]

Just now, Kevin Simpson said:

Thanks I think it's unusual, isn't it? I think I had better save this one.

Nice, definitely a keeper! It'll carry a little bit of a premium but not enough to justify grading IMO. Very cool.

[Kevin Simpson]

Thanks Fenntucky Mike, I'll stick it in a holder for later years

[Conder101]

Definitely a keeper, and a very good find.  Usually minor off-centers aren't that valuable, but after the switch to horizontal strike presses and the additional quality control they implemented off-centers after 2001are MUCH scarcer.

[Kevin Simpson]

Conder101, thanks for that knowledge, it's very informative I will definitely stow it away

[Henri Charriere]

I don't think a rank amateur like me would dare suggest any impropriety on your find, but could not the same or similar effect be achieved by simply gluing two such Mint State 2021 coins together, correctly aligned but off center, with the aid of Crazy Glue or Gorilla Glue, or other such product?

(I'd like to hear the Pedigree vs. Provenance combatants, @Alex in PA. @RWB @VKurtB and the Great @zadok's take on this.)

[VKurtB]

There seem to be two issues here. Not only is there an off center strike, but the obverse seems paradoxically even more off center than the reverse is. That might indicate a die coming loose.  

[Conder101]

Combination of an off=center struck on a press that had a mis-aligned obv die.

[Kevin Simpson]

I'm no pro but I think that if you look closely at the pictures you can definitely see the etching lines from the die on the obverse. There's isn't anything that even remotely suggests gluing two coins together. 

[James Zyskowski]

6 hours ago, Kevin Simpson said:

I'm no pro but I think that if you look closely at the pictures you can definitely see the etching lines from the die on the obverse. There's isn't anything that even remotely suggests gluing two coins together. 

You haven’t met QA yet  the newbie stomper. He’s harmless 

[VKurtB]

5 minutes ago, James Zyskowski said:

You haven’t met QA yet  the newbie stomper. He’s harmless 

As the French might say, that’s one really big… nope, won’t do it.

[Henri Charriere]

40 minutes ago, James Zyskowski said:

You haven’t met QA yet  the newbie stomper. He’s harmless 

Judging by the disciplinary violations lodged against me as displayed prominently on my bio page for the whole world to see, the moderators would beg to differ. Their advice is reasonable: "Be Nice, or Be Gone."

[James Zyskowski]

QA. With all your knowledge I’m so sorry someone has hurt you so bad that instead of being able (at70) to joyfully share  your gift with new and old members you chose to play mind games. Such a waste. I truly believe that there are a lot of people here who would support blanket forgiveness if only you could find the power to overcome your pain or learn to direct it properly.  Hoping you take this with an open mind 

[Henri Charriere]

4 minutes ago, James Zyskowski said:

QA. With all your knowledge I’m so sorry someone has hurt you so bad that instead of being able (at70) to joyfully share  your gift with new and old members you chose to play mind games. Such a waste. I truly believe that there are a lot of people here who would support blanket forgiveness if only you could find the power to overcome your pain or learn to direct it properly.  Hoping you take this with an open mind 

And to think 🤔 over the past two years every member has caught me when I am in the best of moods.  I don't believe anyone has seen my bad side.  In fact, I doubt I even have one.  

[James Zyskowski]

Oh quit it. Read your posts your all over the place. And I really figured it was a waste of time to say anything. Poor soul(why the crying about being reprimanded didn’t see anything on your bio other than your posts)

[Fenntucky Mike]

14 hours ago, Kevin Simpson said:

I'm no pro but I think that if you look closely at the pictures you can definitely see the etching lines from the die on the obverse. There's isn't anything that even remotely suggests gluing two coins together. 

It's not two pieces glued together,  looks legit to me. I think it was more of a hypothetical question. Hang on to it, looks like it could be more unique than I initially thought. 

[RonnieR131]

That is one lucky find. It's a Kevin Keeper for sure.   _________ I repeat, QA is a good man, rubs some people wrong, mostly misunderstanding. I've always liked somewhat eccentric people, you get to see the 'other side' opinion wise, although with QA  a shirt pocket dictionary can come in handy, maybe even a sandwich.  

[Kevin Simpson]

Thank you all for your incite to this coin. It helps us  rookies with all the information you share. I'll put this one away and maybe one day it may be worth something to someone, who knows maybe even sooner. Thanks again 

[JKK]

11 minutes ago, Kevin Simpson said:

Thank you all for your incite to this coin. It helps us  rookies with all the information you share. I'll put this one away and maybe one day it may be worth something to someone, who knows maybe even sooner. Thanks again 

Yeah, that's a legit error. Definitely make sure you don't thumb it, and keep the surfaces protected. You might already know that, but if you do, you understand why I mention it. That cladding is frail enough as it is, and it's quite possible the zinc is exposed in some spot.

[Kevin Simpson]

Thanks JKK, I've already put it in a holder to protect it.

 Do you think I should send it in to be graded and so it's in a sealed capsule?

[JKK]

1 hour ago, Kevin Simpson said:

Thanks JKK, I've already put it in a holder to protect it.

 Do you think I should send it in to be graded and so it's in a sealed capsule?

No, I don't think that is necessary--sounds like you've done all you need. I'm pretty sure that the encapsulation is not perfectly airtight, though I could be wrong, but in any case the cost of protecting it that way would greatly dwarf any monetary value. It's a good find.

[Kevin Simpson]

              Thanks JJK, I'll take your advise and I'll leave my money in my wallet then. You know "a penny save is a penny earned" 😀

[JKK]

42 minutes ago, Kevin Simpson said:

              Thanks JJK, I'll take your advise and I'll leave my money in my wallet then. You know "a penny save is a penny earned" 😀

I always ask myself: how much coin could I buy for the $30-60? That, for example, will buy a fairly nice Greek Ionic copper, and some silver denarii. Or, if I were actively looking for US coins, plenty of MS silver could be had for that. A real nice half cent, too, or a MS IHP. Nothing against slabs where they make sense--Trade dollars, for example, and much gold--but part of it is learning when they make sense.

[James Zyskowski]

Lots of do it yourself slabs available on eBay. All quantities various items 

[Henri Charriere]

11 hours ago, ronnie stein said:

That is one lucky find. It's a Kevin Keeper for sure.   _________ I repeat, QA is a good man, rubs some people wrong, mostly misunderstanding. I've always liked somewhat eccentric people, you get to see the 'other side' opinion wise, although with QA  a shirt pocket dictionary can come in handy, maybe even a sandwich.  

Thank you very kindly.  I always appreciate a compliment from an astute observer of people.

[GBrad]

Very cool find and definitely an off center strike.  Just wanted to add to this post regarding safe keeping of coins.  I was guided by a long time coin collector awhile back about the proper type of coin flips to use which won't cause any damage to your coins.  Being that Shield Cents are as fragile as any Cent in the Lincoln series (meaning the very thin copper coating on them just waiting to be "Zinc Rot'd"), you definitely need to be careful handling and storing them.  Whatever you do don't use any type of vinyl or PVC holder or else your coin will suffer some major consequences, use only Mylar flips. Here's a link to a good supplier of coin accessories, supplies and holders, IMO.  I have been very happy with this company, their customer service and shipping time.  You may be able to get coin flips elsewhere for cheaper but in my experience I have been very happy with this company and their products and will continue to buy from them.  Hope this helps. (Just FYI.... I am not affiliated whatsoever with this company )

https://www.wizardcoinsupply.com/product/saflips-2x2.html

Here's pics of the 2x2 "soft" flips I use for my coins and I couldn't be happier with them.

 

Edited July 3, 2021 by GBrad

[Kevin Simpson]

            Thank you GBrad for that info I have Guardhouse UPVC would they be the same as the SAFLIP ? I also have the do it yourself slabs, just as good also? I don't want to ruin the coin by doing something that cause a problem with it. Thanks again.

[Hoghead515]

21 hours ago, ronnie stein said:

That is one lucky find. It's a Kevin Keeper for sure.   _________ I repeat, QA is a good man, rubs some people wrong, mostly misunderstanding. I've always liked somewhat eccentric people, you get to see the 'other side' opinion wise, although with QA  a shirt pocket dictionary can come in handy, maybe even a sandwich.  

Lol. I agree with this 100%  @Quintus Arriusis a good dude when you get to know him. I've never seen him say anything out of the way. He questions some things and some people get aggravated but that actually helps get more information flowing out of everyone. I don't mind it a bit myself. I enjoy reading his post but I have to look up some of the words he uses and see what they mean. It's like being back in school again. I've actually learned about coins and took an English lesson at the same time reading his post.   He would make a great author. 

Edited July 3, 2021 by Hoghead515