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Also it would not be unusual to try and use up previously used rev dies that were still serviceable first.

In the case of the one pound coins the letttering was applied first, then they were dumped into the hoppers and entered the coining chamber oriented up or down at random and struck in a reeded collar.

OK, it is NOT a 1943 S copper cent. It is a very heavily corroded wheat cent of undeterminable date and as such if sent in will either come back as a no grade no service, or as a 19XX wheat cent corroded and you will have paid $40+ dollars to learn that you have a wheat cent worth one cent. And all of the corrosion (and wishful thinking) is resulting in a bad case of paradalia. (the mind trying to find patterns in random data and seeing things which aren't really there.)

It may also just be the case that NGC was rejecting a large number of ICG and ANACS coins as being not worthy of slabbing. Say they were sending 70% of them back uncrossed. After awhile you get to the point where you feel you are wasting too much of your time examining coins and then returning them. So you decide you just don't want to try and cross those anymore.

Not really, they aren't coins, just private medals. Well you start by getting about 10 to 20 years worth of practice grading. Then with gold you relize that unless it is a scarce date or MS-64 or better it is going to sell for a little above bullion whether it is graded or not, and in many cases most of the increased value from getting it graded you will give to the TPG in fees. (This is pretty much true of a LOT of common generic type coins.)

You may be right, on etsy he may still be a piker.

And before they formed Goldberg Auctions they either owned or were the principal partners of Superior Galleries which was one of the premier auction houses. Not quite on the level of Heritage but close. Once the Goldbergs left Superior it started going downhill and I believe disappeared in the early 90's.

Etsy isn't illegal, it is just populated by a whole bunch of people listing coins at anywhere from 100 to 10,000 times what they are worth hoping to snag someone with more money than knowledge.

Maybe that he knows how to list damaged coins somewhere with ridiculous made up values. He's mastered Etsy!! You are only a muli-millionare if you can find some bidiot that actually pays that for the mutilated coin.

Until about 1935 in order to back gold or silver certificates the metal had to be coined. By 35 the gold certificates were gone but they were still coining unwanted silver dollars to back the silver certificates . Finally legislation was passed allowing the certificate to be backed just by the bullion and that's why the Peace dollar coinage ended. All further silver purchases were just left as bullion and certificates were issued with that as backing. (If you look at the earlier certificates they say will pay so many silver dollars on demand, later ones say will pay so many dollars in silver on demand.)

You will also see cracks from U to the star and through the bottom of ONE and from the R to the star to A3, and another from the wing through Am and the top of E.

No just an image I picked up.

That was probably once the top con in a dime roll bank. Something like this. The bank would hold a roll of dimes and you see that screw slot head? There was a threaded rod that ran the entire length of the bank that ended with a disk. To use the bank you untreaded the rod until the disk was above the slot. Then you put your dimes in and threaded the rod back down to hold them in place so they couldn't fall out. Most people tightened the rod down real good and the end of the rod/disk would cut a circular groove into the top dime. These banks were often giveaways from banks to kinds to encourage them save. They were the predecessor tot he cardboard "dime in the slot savings banks that became popular in the 50's and 60's

The major houses don't quote a flat figure for the sellers cost because it is negotiable depending on the size and value of the consignment and if there are any significant or major rarities in the consignment. Your sellers fee could possibly range from 10% to -5% or more (you could get back MORE than the hammer price) Since they don't know what you have the best they could do would be to quote their highest fee and that could chase consigners away. Also a lot of people think they have prize highly desirable items when they actually don't.. I believe the major houses are now wanting minimum consignment values in the $5K to $10 range, and they would really like the coins to have a minimum value around $1000. Yes they will take coins valued at less, if the overall consignment is larger or there are some high end items consigned. And most of those lower value items will go in the internet auctions.

Tolerance is .19 grams which is almost 4% not 1%, Minimum weight new would be 4.8 grams. Yours is .1 grams below weight and is somewhat worn. It was probably struck on a very slightly thin planchet and I would not consider it to be far enough off to be worth any appreciable premium. You find one that weighs 4.4 maybe 4.5 then it might have some value. I normally think a coin needs to be about .4 grams out of the tolerance range before a collector would have serious interest.

All you can really use the NGC images for is to try and determine if it is the same coin. Variations in lighting etc between different photos make it difficult to impossible to predict what a coin will actually look like in hand. All I would confidently say is the two images are of the same coin.

I will admit that interest in varieties, except on some of the early US series was rather low except among a small number of serious specialists, and interest in errors other than some mild curiosity was pretty much non-esistant at the time. (errors were usually viewed as defective coins and practically worthless to the extent than precious metal coins would be scrapped, and base metal coins just tossed out in the trash. Active, though mild, interest in errors didn't really start to grow until the late 50's early 60's.

And replies often showed ignorance in the other direction as well. I have most of a complete set of the Scrapbooks. There is so really good articles and research in there besides Julian's as well. On of these days I'll have to gather them together, take an inventory, and try to finish off the set.

This old news coming back around again?

His White Mountain does not appear to be a proof. It is one of the business strike quality pieces S mint coins they started making in 2012 (and since then). These were NOT included in mint sets and were only sold directly to collectors in rolls or bags. Some collectors buy the rolls/bags search them, and send the rejects to the bank. (and satin finish coins were only in the mint sets from 2005 to 2010, the white mountain is a 2013.)

When the city was founded it WAS somewhat centrally located.

They didn't need to put aside a bag they sent examples to the Smithsonian. Representive specimens were all they needed.

That is a normal proof coin, The rev does show a little cameo but it would not get graded as such because 1 it isn't cameo enough, and 2 it has to be cameo on both sides to get the designation. After looking at this coin you can see why we get frustrated with all the people that come around with normal business strike 1990 cents, 1968, or 75 dimes and ask if it is the rare "No S" variety. If it doesn't look like the one that you have it is NOT a proof and in is not the "No S". Sorry rant has nothing to do with you, just needed to say it.

That is a normal proof coin, The rev does show a little cameo but it would not get graded as such because 1 it isn't cameo enough, and 2 it has to be cameo on both sides to get the designation. After looking at this coin you can see why we get frustrated with all the people that come around with normal business strike 1990 cents, 1968, or 75 dimes and ask if it is the rare "No S" variety. If it doesn't look like the one that you have it is NOT a proof and in is not the "No S". Sorry rant has nothing to do with you, just needed to say it.

You would be surprised at the number of people with very little knowledge that WILL argue. One thing to add to JKK's picture information, make sure you post the pictures oriented right side up. It can be very frustrating trying to figure things out on images posted sideways or upside down