Conder101

I would say he is definitely talking about California octagonal fractionals. He says he has the 1/4 and 1/2 dollar 8 square. I would suspect a lot of people probably thought the mint created those tokens. I know in the 1830's many thought the mint coined the hard times tokens as well.

That ship has sailed.

No 2.27 grams is the normal weight for a clad dime. But there is also a tolerance range of +/- .09 grams so tolerance could go up to 2.36 grams. So Brad you have a dime struck on a slightly rolled thick planchet that is .13 grams overweight. This is most likely not enough to get any error collector "worked up". When you get to .3 or .4 grams out of tolerance (around 2.7 to 2.8 grams) then you may see some interest and premium value.

Yes. In general Denver supplies the Fed Reserve banks west of the Mississippi, and Philadelphia serves the ones in the east. Just makes more sense than Philadelphia shipping coins to the San Francisco Federal Reserve. Then along the "border" Philadelphia coins slowly trickle west, and Denver coins slowly trickle east. Why does that require YOU to be on there? With the exception of my father (who doesn't have internet at all) everyone in my family is on Facebook, except me. I see no reason to have a facebook account. If one of them want to talk to me or I want to talk to one of them, there is the phone, or email.

Nice theory, but just dropping a punch onto a piece of even annealed tool steel is NOT going to create an impression that deep. It was actually PUNCHED into the die blank pre-hubbing. The only reason I could think for doing that would be to test to see if the blank had been sufficiently annealed. But I don't know why you would do that so close to the center of the die face where traces might remain after hubbing. Out at the edge of the die blank makes more sense since those portions would be cut away on the lathe after hubbing (and could be the source of numerals in the denticals). The problem I have with the "Testing the hardness by punching digits near the edge" theory is that so far all the "Digits in denticals" have turned up right around the date area, If these were punched into a blank die face, why were they always put into the hubbing press with the same relative orientation? (Of course they MAY be found in other locations and just no one has noticed them yet because people tend to look at coins right side up, and tend to focus on the date area. I suspect that someday digits in the denticals will be found in other locations around the circumference.)

P mintmarks started in 1980.

It doesn't have a number because it isn't a coin. It is a privately made medal. Unless the slab is a fake, and i have never seen a fake slab for these, you should be fine. ( And personally to me they are only worth melt value anyway. One problem with a privately made medal is that at any time they choose, they can make more of them.)

Until 1968 almost every US coin for circulation had the mintmark on the reverse. Exceptions were the Lincoln cent,1838 &39 O capped bust halves, 1916 & 17 D and S Walking Liberty half (the position changed during 17 so for that year they can be found on the obv or the rev), 1838 & 39 C and D quarter and half eagles, and the Saint-Gaudens double eagle. Since 1968 they have all been on the obverse. Thought of another exception, the Standing Liberty quarters had the mintmark on the obverse.

People invest time and money in a hobby because they enjoy it and it gives them entertainment value. Example golf. Can be quite costly, and pretty much NO ONE gets back out the time and money they put in.) There are very very few hobbies that will return to the hobbyist the money they put into them. That is unless you put a monetary value on the entertainment they get from their hobby over the years.

Or the Leper colony.

Only. There are 500 coins in the box so 49% of the box graded MS-70. There were 479 boxes. So if this box was "average" there is a potential for 116,000 MS-70 "emergency" coins and 122,000 MS-69 or less.

Price guides are always as guess at what the market price is, and they tend to work best when pricing "widgets". Widgets are relatively common generic type coins that are readily available and which trade frequently. (A MS 1800 Bust dime is NOT a widget.) You also have to consider that with the exception of CAC none of these companies are "setting" prices, they are reporting past prices modified in their best estimate as to what they would sell for now. (CAC is different because they are actually dealers and the CAC listing are actual offeres to pay for coins in those grade WITH a CAC sticker. The other guides you are dealing with prices for coins that haven't been seen. So will be low end some solid for the grade and some high. And some coins are pieces that are overgraded. The CAC sticker coins have already been seen and they know they are solid or high end for the grade. Much less uncertainty so prices are higher.) The NGC and PCGS guide prices are basically for coins slabbed in their holders and do not necessicarily reflect tose for coins slabbed by other services The graysheet is put out for dealers and is (or at least was) a wholesale listing for what dealers should pay buying coins from each other. Coins bought from collectors or the general public they should pay even less. The CPG is put out by the same people who put out the graysheet and is aimed at collectors to tell them how much they should pay the dealers who bought the coins at the graysheet levels. There is also some psychology in the PCGS and NGC price guides, They want to at least try to indicate that coins in their holders are worth more so there could be a bias to indicate a higher price than warranted. Now as I mentioned the MS1800 bust dime is NOT a widget. There is only one solid data point in those prices listed and that is the auction result, which is old and obsolete. All the rest of the prices are WAG's Wild A** Guesses. They will all be revised, probably significantly, the next time one actually sells at auction, and there is no way to predict what it will sell for ahead of time. The 1880 O dollar in 63 IS a widget. But let's take a look at your ebay data. You have an average price of $410. The average for the three "retail" price guides (PCGS, NGC, and CPG) is $417. I'd say a fairly close fit. But I would like to drop from the data the MS-63 PL, the ICG and the ANACS coins. MS-63 PL is not the same grade as MS-63 as the price it sold for would indicate, And ICG and ANACS tend not to be as highly approved of and sell for lower prices even if the coin in the slab is superior. If we do that the average drops to $398. Not as good a fit, but still within 5%

That is true but there shouldn't be Longacre doubling on the obverses of Indian head cents after 1886. It does still show up on the reverses through the end of the series.

It would be to me as well, if I was interested in ATB quarters. I've seen two 2020 ATB quarters so far, both Weir Farm, one P one D. I think I've seen one 2019, and haven't seen any 2018's yet.

From what I can see of the two judean pieces they are modern copies.

They have been telling dealers and collectors that at shows for at least 60 to 70 years now And dealers still stop and leave their vehicles unattended. Even if you can see your vehicle from your resturant table the thieves can still usually clean you out before you can get out to them. (Saw a surveillance video once of a dealer getting ripped off. They had parked and gone in and were at the window where the could see their vehicle. Guy was walking past the back end of the parked cars. When he got to the dealers car he took two quick steps up to the side, smashed the window popped the door open and grabbed a briefcase of coins. Two steps back to the end of the car where his accomplice had pulled up, dove in and they took off. Elapsed time was about 10 seconds.) When you are traveling to a from a show it is best to have someone else with you and NEVER leave the vehicle unattended. Fill up the vehicle before packing up. If you have to get gas on the way pay at the pump. You want to eat, use a drive through. If you are going to need to relieve yourself you either need to have someone with you or carry a wide mouth jar in the car. When you get close to home call ahead to make sure there is someone there waiting to watch the vehicle while you unload. And these crooks are willing to follow you a long way. When Tom Reynolds got robbed years ago they followed him all the way from Ohio to his home in Nebraska .

Looks like either a high end business strike or a lower end SMS. The only absolute way to tell a SMS is to buy it still in the government packaging. And even that isn't a sure thing for the 66 and 67's.

Tolerance on the coppernickel cents and the bronze cents from 1864 to 1873 was +/- .259 grams. After February 1873 it was reduced to +/- .13 grams. So the 1873 cents could be at either one.

This looks like something they might use for a machinists test to go from apprentice to journeyman or journeyman to master. Make a press fit box coin from two cents. That would take some skill. Tolerances would have to be pretty precise..

Routed out on a lathe, and very poorly done.

The copper nickel alloy is more resistant to the action of the acid than the pure copper core. That is why the core is eaten away faster than the outer layers resulting in the "sandwich cookie" appearance. As to why the reeding is still visible, that is because the acid attacks the surface of the copper evenly. It attacks the valleys of the reeds at the same rate as the tops of the reeds. So as the diameter is reduced the reeding remains intact. The very fact that the reeding is there tells you that it must be the result of an attack by corrosives. Since the reeds are imparted to the edge of the coin by the collar the copper core HAD to be at the same diameter as the clad layers at the time of striking and something has now reduced that diameter without wiping out the reeding. A corrosive environment is the obvious solution. Lets put it in correct terms. If it was a quarter planchet and both clad layers were missing (which they obviously aren't because you can still see all three of them) it would weigh 3.85 grams I pity your customers. Says the man with 14 posts. Yes, I know that's a cheap shot because the number of posts doesn't really relate to actual experience. So how much experience do you have? I have 54 years. Checked by who? What are their credentials? Metal content of the clad layers is the same as the metal content of a nickel. The coin you posted is NOT the same coin as in the coin in the OP. Different coins, different forms of damage.

The severely flattened one is a 2002 Ohio State Quarter. You can make out the IO, part of the Wright flyer, and BIRTHPLACE OF AVIATION.

Anyone else agree with me that it may be an impaired proof?

Because you really can't determine from pictures whether a coin is a MS or a high end AU. The difference is very slight wear on the high points and the way to see that is to tip the coin back and forth letting the light play across the high points and watch for a color change. You can't do that with a picture or a computer image.

Banks can't specifically request just new coins, or a specific issue. They get whatever happens to be on hand at the Fed or the Armored car service when the order comes in. This time you got two solid rolls of the same thing, but next time you might get a different issue, a mix of issues, or all old circulated pieces. It is strictly luck of the draw. The armored car service also doesn't segregate the different coins, so they dump whatever comes in into the rolling machine, circulated or new coin returned by the banks and ballistic bags of new material from the Mint. Say they have a bunch of circulated quarters being rolled and the hopper is getting low. So they dump in a ballistic bag. What comes out is all circ at first, then circ plus some new, them mostly new with some circ mixed in and then finally all new. This is why at the first of the year you start seeing boxes of new coins being sold on ebay for three times or more their face value. Evey year there are a lot of collectors who want to search boxes of the new coins, but getting them at the bank is hit or miss. So the lucky ones whose banks do get them buy them up and put them on ebay for a quick profit.