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On 5/1/2024 at 2:45 PM, Med azzy said:

Anyone can tell me if its fake 

It's fake.

On 5/1/2024 at 12:41 PM, VKurtB said:

Hmm. Which is more likely? Either it is post-mint damage (yes), or it is an “error” that has been flopping around in commerce unnoticed for 66 years waiting to be found by our OP (no). What is CLEARLY at work here, not JUST by this OP but by her entire generation, is to redefine words to make them mean what they would prefer them to mean. This generation’s proclivity in this arena is nearing a comedic state. 
 

Words mean things and in order for words to have value, their meanings should be mostly static, with very rare exceptions. 

You manage to turn an abraded 1958 wheatie into a reason to hurt someone who was doing you no harm. Wow. Coins, weaponized.

I think what you should do is indict not just her but her whole f-bombing generation (which you are not even f-bombing able to know because I'm not aware her birth certificate is available here), simply because something about the way she posed an innocent and minor question offended your sense of how words should be used. In other news, did you see anyone drop a gum wrapper today that you feel should be drawn and quartered for that? Good gods. That guy didn't stop for a stop sign; got your RPG-7 handy?

Hey, folks, someone seems to have accidentally used a word in a way Kurt doesn't like. Shall we go on an anti-generational rampage? (Which generation?) Where the hell is all our musketry for a firing squad? I thought sure we had gallows in the warehouse.

That happens in circulation.

No, it was after it left the mint. It's worn and granulated, probably from being in the ground.

Agree. Something's off. With a coin that has light wear, we should be seeing WE start to wear off. Instead we get the granularity in protected areas, and that's inconsistent with the real thing.

There might be Ebay interest, though not for big money. It's worth at least most of the normal Ag value of a Barb dime. The issue is I'm not sure what the engraving means, which would kind of be a major mover because if someone were looking and it said certain initials and that's exactly what they wanted, it's like they don't much care how much it costs. Other than that, you're hoping for a collector who doesn't yet have one, but probably the spending interest is less.

On 4/28/2024 at 2:41 PM, Bel_Izeard said:

Hmm, I didn't know to do that. Is there a special tool for that or just tapping them with a hammer. The only hammer I have is a full size one, and I don't want to accidentally hit the coins. Heh.

I use a regular pliers and am very careful. Here's the secret: do not align the grooves of the pliers with the staples. Go at an angle, like 45 degrees. Give room for the tips to squeeze out from under and dig into the cardboard.

Nice to have another of the eh-Team on board here. I didn't know we had any; 'Stang never mentioned, or I never saw. Tough life impacts you had there, man, hang in.

I like pre-Confederation stuff especially, and I appreciate the straightforwardness of the RCNA grading system. The Charlton book is a wonder. I had to get one in order to help some good friends up in Trail get their folks' collection squared away and enjoyed the learning.

I don't know if you care at all about registry sets, but if you do, evidently one of our local collectors has like the champion Canadian cent set. I can ask for details if you'd be interested in seeing it.

Nope. I'd say that looks like die deterioration doubling from the pattern. No premium applies.

On 4/22/2024 at 2:07 PM, ThePhiladelphiaPenny said:

Agreed. Also, why would somebody go through the trouble of replating it, just to release it into circulation, this is a roll find after all.... I'd say it's a proof. Worth 10 dollars maybe?

Might not have happened that way. I've seen 1950s wheaties that were quite obviously plated and looked very much like this one. Sometimes kids steal from Bampaw's collection, or something else happens to dump them into circulation that was not the intent of whoever plated it (whatever that intent might even have been). I still think it's replated, but I don't really care about the end result.

On 4/21/2024 at 12:11 PM, powermad5000 said:

Everything we had at that shop was ancient as far as tooling went. We had them from 1" all the way down to 3/16". There may have been a 1/8" one originally but if there was I am sure it got so trashed someone probably threw it out. It was a cool set, but most of them were well worn out and when management was asked to get us new ones because most of them only cut half the rubber out of the hole, we got the standard answer of "Well, just try to sharpen them somehow and get them to work".

Ours lived in the dies. We served the Alaska fishing fleet out of Ballard, and the customer would pay a die charge for which we would construct a die of the correct size. The punches were part of the die and never came out again until the steel rule got so worn we had to re-rule the die. I never saw them used loose.

On 4/21/2024 at 11:43 AM, powermad5000 said:

I used those at my old job. I would think striking metal with it that it wouldn't last very long without totally trashing the end on it. We set the gaskets on a wood block to try to keep the punches from getting dulled out too quickly. I think those are a pretty much really old way of doing it as I think today they cut gaskets with a laser. Much faster and a much better cut.

I never used those because I was the A/P and cash manager, but I did work for a gasket cutting and die making shop. It's possible there are punches that tiny, but that would mean very small bolt holes--as in smaller than on flatpack furniture kits. Most of ours were more like 1/2" to 1" wide. If we had punches that small, we never mounted them inside a die that I knew of. I'm not sure how you'd even bend the steel rule to make such a probably tiny die.

Cool fakes, bro.

Yes, definitely. That way you will learn.

Opinion: spend.

On 4/19/2024 at 9:47 PM, Coinbuf said:

While I am not ruling this out, I think you are seeing rim nicks that the light is catching and making it look that way.   

If the pics were even halfway properly cropped and blown up, we'd know better. But right now, I'd almost bet the cost of grading on replating. It's not just the chips; it's the way the surface looks.

Look at those chips around the rim. Now I'm sure it's replated.

On 4/17/2024 at 9:29 AM, Youngmoola said:

@ Neophyte Numismatist u right ...but honestly they make me step my game up n learn more but every new beginners may not take it lightly n take dat constructive criticism too the heart..it's sum negative ppl on here but me personally I overlook em

Just call them racists and threaten to beat them up. That'll help.

I'm not so sure it's proof. That coin looks replated to me.

I read as much of it as I could stand.

On 4/13/2024 at 5:32 PM, Rob’s Coins said:

I tried the kind polite way with newbies.  I’m starting to see why people resort to tough love like VKurtB.  I got tough love by VKurtB.  Made me want ask more questions and learn more.  I don’t know which approach is better but I’m started to lean towards VKurtB’s methods!  ☠️ rip the bandaid off fast then help them assess the wound!   I’ll leave the newbie training to you guys!!  😂

I'm two persons: before they start arguing, and after. Until they start arguing, they're asking for opinions and input, and sometimes I'll give it. If they disagree with consensus opinions, there are two ways they can react to that. One is to say to oneself 'Okay, I'm right and they are wrong, but it doesn't matter what they think. I'm going to value it my way and send it in my way.' That's pigheaded, but it's an intellectually honest pigheadedness that has the courage of its convictions. The other is to keep arguing, and that's intellectually dishonest because it's not the reaction of someone who believes what they're saying. It's the reaction of someone who knows they are wrong, deep down, but wants to pressure someone to validate their errors. The fact that they don't just walk away proves that to me, and causes me to lose respect for them.

If I decide that geology works a certain way, and I go to a geology forum to ask questions about where I should safely build a house, and the experts and professors tell me no, you're wrong, it doesn't work that way and you'll be setting yourself up for a big problem--if don't like that answer, I have a choice. I can make a term_for_a_donkey of myself by debating with professors of the subject, wasting my time and theirs, looking worse every round. Or I can say 'okay, thanks,' walk away, and build my house the way I want. If I do that, at least I act like I believe my own philosophy. If I do the former, I show that deep down, I'm just posing and flexing with nothing to back it up.

It's like the preppers who talk like the end of society is a dead sure thing, but keep putting money into their 401k. Either believe your philosophy or don't, but if you don't have the sand to believe it, at least stop braying it.

On 4/12/2024 at 9:55 PM, Coinhead911 said:

Sir thank you for your insights but with all due respect I have seen other 1987p Washington quarters for sale online that had the same flattened cheek and if I was guessing I would bet this one come from the same batch of coins that where minted consecutive to one another.

The difference is that we're not guessing. We know.

What people have listed for sale online means nothing because anyone can list anything online for whatever price they want, typically ratcheting the price high enough to reach "it only takes one sucker" territory. Anyone could create similar coins with a clothes dryer and some patience, and I'm starting to think that some online sellers do exactly that.

In the meantime, the reality is that you are wasting your time trying to tell us we're wrong and that your coin is special because other people also post dryer coins. Validation will not be forthcoming; you won't get anything out of it but increasing testiness which would be too bad, because while you're quite misguided on this, you're politely misguided and that counts for something. You asked, you've been told, you don't concur; okay--you're not going to change our correct conclusions, nor will we change your incorrect ones. The next court of appeal would be a grading service, where for $60 or so they can confirm what we're telling you. I hope you don't do something so wastefully misguided. Do you have any idea what sort of a beautiful Washington quarter $60 would buy? I suggest you do some looking and find out. Here is one example, a 1954 PF-68, duly slabbed, that sold for $38. Further searches would turn up dozens of gorgeous Georges for $10-15. When you could have those for that kind of money, you will see why some of us think that it's a waste of your time to even care about a ruined dryer coin, much less debate about it.

If that seems blunt to the point of rudeness, bear in mind that to my eyes, I see someone who might possibly be contemplating lighting three of his own $20 bills on fire, and am trying to talk him out of burning them. If he construes that as rude, he might consider that the $60 is not my money, and that I'm an honest volunteer trying to keep him from destroying it. Far easier for me to just shrug, walk away, and let the smoke plume rise. Usually I do. This time I did not.

It's been abused.

No.