EagleRJO

Hmmm, do you think the merchants added enough chop marks to this Trade Dollar?

On 2/17/2024 at 1:13 PM, RonnieR131 said:

I drove back to the pawn shop this morning.

I had a feeling you would go take another look. 

On 2/18/2024 at 10:39 AM, Cary Coins said:

Is anyone familiar with the cause?

Either the letter gets knocked off, as at that time cents were solid copper which is a very soft metal, or something like grease or grit fills the die at that letter.  I don't see any abrasions in the area of the missing "L" so it's likely from a grease filled die.

On 2/17/2024 at 9:56 PM, Henri Charriere said:

Significantly underweight?  A tenth of a gram?

Yes.  The Paris Mint who struck the coins were not hacks, and a comparable gold coin from the US Mint would have a weight tolerance less than two hundreds of a gram.  I would do more research on the tolerances.

P.S.  Significantly underweight in terms of the quality of the piece, not the value of the metal.

I agree it doesn't match a legit 1902 5 Chon coin.

It's year "6" of 11 for "Gwang Mu" period of 1897 to 1907, so it can be listed as a 1902 6 5 Chon.

On 2/17/2024 at 7:03 PM, Henri Charriere said:

I would be honored to acquire it ... 

Why would you want a significantly underweight (for gold) coin described as a "counterfeit"?  And how would you legally sell it in this country once acquired?

They look very similar.

Unless it's just the images there appears to be notching at the "T", but then in other areas it appears rounded like around the "N" and bottom of the "C" which is why I thought it may be some combination with your suggestion of a late stage die.

On 2/17/2024 at 4:11 PM, Henri Charriere said:

You, above all people, know that's a classified matter

They forgot to make me sign or make membership renewal contingent upon an NDA.   

On 2/17/2024 at 12:13 AM, powermad5000 said:

I am also not sure if those on Brian's Variety site are widely recognized and accepted

In addition to what JPM indicated, Wexler's now refers people to Brian’s for Jefferson nickel DD listings ...

https://doubleddie.com/228401.html

On 2/17/2024 at 9:56 AM, J P M said:

I do agree that the coin I have is a later die state

A combination of hub and die deterioration doubling would seem to make sense.

See the following article on coin photos which I think covers the basics, except that most people just use their phone camera these days which are actually set up with decent auto settings that I just leave alone.

https://coinimaging.com/photography.html

On 2/17/2024 at 7:44 AM, Mr.Bill347 said:

I plan on selling the comms

For modern commeratives you may have been better off selling them raw as you might have trouble recovering the grading costs after sellers fees.  What mark-ups are you figuring?

On 2/17/2024 at 7:45 AM, Mr.Bill347 said:

As far as Morgan’s go, this is somewhat unusual.

The vast majority grade 70 as I think a modern proof from the mint should.

On 2/17/2024 at 9:53 AM, Retromodo said:

... will study any future buys with these tips

Since you are unfamiliar with how to authenticate coins I would recommend sticking with coins in slabs from NGC or PCGS like the attached where that has already been done for you.

On 2/16/2024 at 5:37 PM, Retromodo said:

... seems too good to be true

Hmmm, you know what they say about that with a high 5 to 6 figure coin if authentic where it doesn't match examples on Coin Explorer or CoinFacts.  

I don't see notching, so I would first go to Wexler's site (doubleddie.com) to see if you can find a match with known DDRs.

You should go to CoinFacts to look at various comparison grades to verify the grading cost would exceed the value.

I save interesting finds like that from change or rolls, even though it doesn't add any value.  For modern coins even minor "errors" like that have become more scarce as the mint has been on a mission for a while now to put error collectors out of business.

On 2/15/2024 at 5:04 PM, KevinRK said:

So is the ridge on the right side of the D where I have the arrow mechanical/machine doubling?

Hard to tell, but more likely a plating defect since it's very localized.

I agree it's a large date just looking at the position and shape of the "2", which I think looks a little like a coiled snake or swan.

On 2/15/2024 at 3:11 PM, NeverEnoughCoins09 said:

Can someone tell me more about the 1941 Proof with no initials

There is a CoinFacts page on the 1941 50C No "AW" Proof if you haven't seen that yet.

https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1941-50c-no-aw/890272/68

On 2/14/2024 at 10:41 PM, powermad5000 said:

I have that photo saved somewhere and I couldn't find it for the OP.

I uploaded that infographic as well as a few others referenced occasionally, along with a list of commonly referenced links, to the pinned topic at the top of this sub-forum if you need them in the future.

On 2/15/2024 at 11:28 AM, Indianaman79 said:

i was going to resubmit a coin because i wanted more information on it like a grade and what "damaged" means to this specific submission.

You can try calling customer service to see if there are any notes in the system with additional information, but that would be a long shot.  Resubmitting a coin will not provide additional information on why the coin was determined to be "Damaged" and received a "Details" grade.  See the following link on information about NGC Details Grading ... https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-grading/details-grading/

Btw, there are images on the NGC certification page for this coin, and they are some of the worst certification photos I have seen in a while, which are very dark where you can barely make out the coin ... https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/2564994-002/NGCDetails/

On 2/15/2024 at 11:04 AM, J P M said:

Looks to me like the secondary impressions are lower or shelf-like, and seem to continue around corners without any notching such as at the "NTIC" of "Monticello", which is particularly visible at the "N" and "C".  May just be die deterioration doubling from beating the snot out of the dies if the doubling is lower or shelf-like with the coin in-hand.