JAnsley

On 9/5/2021 at 5:02 PM, Mohawk said:

I'm with Hog.....I'd say this is one Barber Dime that's had a rough road.  Definitely PMD.

Well whats the deal with the s on the neck?  Thats what got me to ask if it was mint error of some kind

On 9/5/2021 at 10:28 AM, Just Bob said:

I don't read Chinese, but I believe it is a medal commemorating the annual July 1st (7/1) marches held in Hong Kong - possibly one particular event.

There is a Wikipedia article here:

Hong Kong 1 July marches - Wikipedia

Sorry bob guess i didnt read this one earlier before askin you if you knew Chinese..thatll teach me not the half speed read some post guess i skiped over it since was directed at Woods.

On 9/5/2021 at 5:17 PM, Woods020 said:

It’s called photo translator. It’s takes a picture and translates the language to English of any writing in the picture. It isn’t foolproof in that the better the image the better it sees letters. But it’s handy on “tell me what this is” questions. I only recently stumbled on it myself. 

Thats kool ive use google translate for longbtime but i dont habe Chinese keyboard so couldnt translate it. Thanks im gonna try down load it now

Just bought this because its different. But now that its in had im not sure if its post mint damage or mint error? Im leaning towards mint error. Strike through maybe? IDK really  or maybe die clash

On 9/5/2021 at 10:29 AM, James Zyskowski said:

For ten bucks id buy it just because I lt. That’s the key to happy collecting 🤓🙀
 

Dang a burger with fries and a shake $10. Happy time enjoyment value 2-3 out of 10 and gone in an hour. The slab will always be there and unlike the burger there’s a bonus. You can probably always get close to $10 for the slab. What remains of the meal isn’t worth much but the memories 🤓🙀

Went back to go ahead and order it they've already uped the price to 21.99. You sure you haven't selling them and just messin with by running the price up?? JK.. But they really did raise price now i dont think it worth it . and that being said 20 of the 29 ngc has slabbed is for sell as i type on ebay thats crazy 

On 9/5/2021 at 11:26 AM, Just Bob said:

Good job, Woods.

The inscription on the reverse, 中華人民共和國香港特別行政區,    translates to: "Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic"

@Just Bob thanks for full translation. You fluent in Chinese or you have a kool app as well? I have several world coins or tokens with Chinese or something similar i dont know what they say so ive been unable to look them up. 

On 9/5/2021 at 11:08 AM, Woods020 said:

It is a medal to commemorate the handover of Hong Kong. Here is a little about it. The pictures show translation.  I have an app for that 😁
 

Authority over the territory of Hong Kong was formally passed from the United Kingdom to the People's Republic of China at midnight on 1 July 1997, ending 156 years of British rule in the former colony. Hong Kong was reestablished as a special administrative region of China, and largely continues to maintain its existing economic and, until recently,^{[1][better source needed]}governing systems distinct from those of mainland China.

 

Thats really kool app whats it called i may have to try it. Thanks. 

On 9/5/2021 at 4:28 PM, Coinbuf said:

Just to clarify, the year 1997 is the first year that all the dies and hubs for the cent, the nickel and the dime, from both mints, were made using that method. It was not until 1999 that all denominations were made from dies that were produced by the single squeeze hubbing system.   However there is evidence that the single squeeze method was used as early as the mid 1980's for some coins.   So I will correct myself in that I cannot say for certain that a coin from 1993 was 100% for sure a result of the single squeeze method, but I think it is very likely for the high mintage coins like cents. 

O ok i figured there had to be a "trial" run or two using single squeeze method before fully incorporating it so im sure your correct there is sure to have been cents minted using it in earlier years

@Jason Abshier @Coinbuf thank yall as well for yalls opinions.  I only own to slabbed real coins there both ngc and the icg is online auction and he bid quite low for the coin and grade it states it is. Ive always been fond of the 3 cent silvers just never had one that the detail could really be seen one. So why was asking. Anyhow thanks again guys 

On 9/5/2021 at 10:12 AM, James Zyskowski said:

This question is one that guarantees diverse opinions. 
Mine are ngc or pcgs are pretty dependable. I have a warm spot in my heart for anacs. First slabbed coin I ever bought (undergraded in my opinion). Still buy them today. 
ICG now I don’t have any. I personally don’t think they have a problem I can lay my finger on but from my experience they need to be inspected in hand. Just me. This is true for all coins.  There appears to be a better market for the 3 main graders but ICG doesn’t get the love the others do. 
That being said there is no substitute for learning to grade as I’ve seen some really questionable grades from all of them. Buy what you like and you will be happy !

That is a beautiful chain cent!! There is no way id ever be able to afford anything graded close o that tried to buy one raw that may graded a 3 or 4 couple weeks ago at an auction and still was to rich for my blood. The morgan i feel is unergraded but i only just start learning to grade. Most learning from pcgs coin app with the photo grading. I know more now than i did that for sure. Thanks for the pics and info

On 9/5/2021 at 1:25 PM, Woods020 said:

Looks like die erosion to me. The dies for the buffalos have this fairly often. 

O ok.. Ive never had a buffalo in this high grade till this one well and another lil better but gotem both last week. Most ive had been near smooth. So ive never really had chance to look at one or have reason to research much on anything about the buffalos. Thanks though thats good to know though. 

On 9/5/2021 at 3:34 PM, Coinbuf said:

@GBrad @Woods020 and others are on point, as usual, the 1993 in your op looks to be just a normal coin with a touch of strike doubling and a well placed nick on the ear.   The second coin you posted, the 58-D, may have a bit of strike doubling also, would need to see the whole coin to say.  It is never a good idea to focus in on one single tiny area without seeing the whole coin, the forest for the trees type of analogy.

 

Something to keep in mind when you are looking at coins, you need to understand the minting process used at the time each coin was minted.   The first coin you posted was made using the single squeeze method, this tends to produce doubling close to the center of the coin like the earlobe.   Conversely the 58-D was minted when the mint used the double squeeze method, which led to the doubling being more often on the outer portion of the coin like is seen with the 55/55 or 72/72.   So when looking at older coins it is less likely to see much if any hub doubling seen towards the center of the coin vs toward the rim; and just the opposite for newer coins.    Certainly this is not foolproof but a good general rule of thumb to keep in mind. 

Yes sir the only reason for the 58d is because it was under the scope at the time only used it to draw a line around curvature of tbe lube to make sure i was understanding gbrad correctly. Sorry for the confusion it caused both you and woods. I do know about the different different mint possesses but did not know it affected where doubling occurs. Thank you for that info. that does help alot. And i didnt realise they use single squeeze method in early 90 i for some reason though that started in late ' '90 but now i know i was misinformed. So again thank you 

On 9/5/2021 at 1:33 PM, GBrad said:

@JAnsley here is a starting point for understanding what worthless doubling is compared to true doubling.  There isn't anything related to doubled ears though.

file:///Users/ga/Desktop/Other%20Forms%20Of%20Doubling.webarchive

Another good website is coppercoins.com  There are a few year Lincoln Cents that have doubled ears.  The best know is the 1984 Philly Lincoln Cent.  Plug that into the search engine on this website and it will give you a better understanding of ear doubling.  

Ive seen the '84 it cant be missed. But if i recall there is one from '70s thats not really that obvious. Kinda resembles the first photo i posted. And thanks for the link ill check it out here shortly.

On 9/5/2021 at 1:30 PM, Woods020 said:

They are saying what you think is doubling on the ear is just displaced metal from a hit after it was struck. It’s post mint damage. Another coin or some item hit the cent in that area and caused some metal to be displaced. That displaced metal is what you are thinking is doubling. 

 

I may have told you this before, but checking variety vista will be a good resource if you are looking for varieties. 

I know that woods i wasnt arguing that. I agree completely about that. I was only trying to get clarity on how the curvature of the lobe is designed as gbrad was explaining it i just wasnt sure if i understood him correctly. 

I had checked variety vista and didnt find any thing on a double lobe for 93 thats why posted here to get opinions about what was seeing.

On 9/5/2021 at 11:32 AM, GBrad said:

Thanks @J P Mashoke for the plug about @Coinbuf and I. Coinbuf is way ahead in the ballgame than I, but I hope one day to be up there with his intellect as well as other professionals here on the forum. @JAnsley, your  Cent had definitely taken a hit to the earlobe, no questions about it. Like JP said, this is a very prominent area on Linc’s and are prone to taking hits from other coins in this exact spot which does sometimes resemble a partially doubled earlobe. One way to tell if you have doubled ear (which yours is not) is to look at the entire design element of the bottom of the ear, in this case the lobe. All Lincoln ears have a curvature at the bottom of the lobe where it turns back up and into the neck and onto the profile of the head. You can see on your coin what I am talking about. This is part of the intended design. Unless there is an additional small earlobe under the originally intended earlobe, as I described above, then you basically have a case of just simple PMD. Hope this helps. 

 

Now this not coin i ask about just '58d i happen to be looking at. But on it ive drawn a line.this is the curve your sayng is intentionally designed. Or have i got you misunderstood? So i know what to look for. I was hopein id found something this time. Maybe some day ill find something worth talkin about till then just trying learn. What how and were to look to get it right. And thank you for you response

On 9/5/2021 at 11:54 AM, Woods020 said:

I’ve never heard of a 4 feather. I don’t believe that is a variety.
 

I don’t see what you are seeing. Can you point out where you see the 4th feather? I don’t see anything abnormal other than a circular Buffalo nickel. 

Id never heard of it either but i agree with you its die erosion or MD. But here are other photos 

@J P Mashoke Hey brother just noticed this but what is the idk looks to be second bow tie to the north slightly east in my first photo or im i seeing things?

On 9/5/2021 at 9:18 AM, DWLange said:

It's a medal that's been enameled. The 7.1 could be a figure on the Richter Scale, so this piece may commemorate an earthquake.

Makes sense. More than could come up with. Thanks. There any resell value for it you reckon? Cause im in the hole on the lot this was in as the three coins i bought the lot based on. One was repro the other two counterfeits. Rest junk and this Medal only thing left thats promising.

Thoughts on I.C.G slabs?? Looking at this but not sure on the company

Is there a 4 feather variety for buffalo nickels? I can see what appears to be 4 feathers on this coin. Does anyone else?? 

On 9/5/2021 at 6:05 AM, J P Mashoke said:

I say the wrong term or name for errors all the time but the guys here will let me know what is the correct term. They are very knowledgeable it is a daily learning experience and they are nice enough to show us the way.

I heard that!! Great group guys on here they've sure been a great help & a blessing for sure!!

On 9/5/2021 at 6:19 AM, J P Mashoke said:

It is most likely a bag mark a hit from something, The ear on a penny is a high spot and takes a beating most of the time. Gbrad and Coinbuff are big into Pennies maybe they will take a look here and give a shout.

Thanks JP. Im mostly big on pennies myself just still consider myself a newbie even after several years. Cause i dont have books and not sure i could tell you difference between MD or DD if looking at both at different times now side by side i probably could. But never had a DD that i know of and ive roll hunted hundreds of rolls so i may just not know what im looking for. Just trying learn before retiring age if i ever make it that far

On 9/5/2021 at 6:33 AM, Lem E said:

I would say it is a sample slab photo (stock photo) with the cert# removed. This is usually done if sellers have more than one of these for sale. This means that the coin in the listing photos is most likely not the exact coin you will receive. I like to see the actual coin I am buying and usually will not buy from a sample photo. I would read any descriptions the seller has on the listing to see if this is the “actual” coin or not. I doubt it is.

Ok that makes sense thought same thing to start with. But how many could he really have to want to not use actual coin. Census for this year and grade is only 29 total  if ngc online files are up to date so surly this guy doesnt have more than just a couple anyhow. Thats one reason i disregarded the thought of stock photo and thought it may be a counterfeit slab. And hes selling for 10 bucks when vaule guide shows $350. So i was very sceptical especially me not knowing a lot about slabbed coin.

On 9/5/2021 at 5:55 AM, J P Mashoke said:

Don't be sorry. Like I said it is struck through grease, and a filled die, if you look around the edges of the motto from top to the right side you can see the grease trail in the field of the coin also left its mark.

O ok now im picking up what your throwin down. I understand what you saying then. 

No sure really if the double ear lobe is even really a variety. But if so then is this an example of one? If looked pcgs&ngc&V.VISTA but have found no info for the '93 on ear lobe doubling.