Sharann

I am extremely new and thought about doing that at first also. However, after being on this forum for a hot minute, I have learned that spending 300+ dollars on having them graded is probably not the wisest decision, especially when the same mint set is available online for around $60. But, hopefully, they will grade well for you and you will come out ahead. Good luck! 

No, I'm sorry but I sure don't. If you don't mind my asking, where do you see a three? I know I am really new at this, and I don't claim to know very much, but I am pretty well versed in my numerals/numbers. We might say them a little differently down here, but they all look pretty much the same. I would love a picture with the number three circled on it, if you don't mind. 

3 hours ago, Quintus Arrius said:

Meanness, age, dishonesty, bad faith?   At the outset, with the exception of age, I believe most members will agree that the descriptors used by the OP as applied to numismatics, is refreshingly different from the terms ordinarily used by U.S. collectors.  While I agree with member Coinbuf's comments, I should like to emphasize the search for truth is never-ending.  The OP has raised an interesting point which deserves amplification.

As most of us know, with DNA, we can determine with some specificity what part of the world our ancestry came from. We can generally state whether a human skeleton is that of male or female, race, age - even how well-nourished. Just as the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) can determine the country of origin of a drug (and growing region) it can also determine purity and diluent used.  Metals present their own properties.  Gold from the Canada's Yukon differs from that of California; silver from the Comstock lode differs from that of Peru. (With the discovery of the shipwreck S.S. Central America, we were able to recover not only coinage but "Gold Rush" gold in its raw, unrefined form which, under analysis, reveals it's own unique signature.)  While I can understand the "much ado about nothing" attitude of members regarding the sophisticated (and likely costly) spectral analysis of a mere penny, the problem with metals is complicated by constant cycling and recycling. Gold and silver ores are extracted, refined, melted, alloyed, re-melted, re-issued, minted, melted again into bars and re-minted or re-purposed for other uses such as jewelry and industry.  I would imagine copper presents its own problems.  For that reason I feel determining age with some degree of specificity, particularly as it relates to coinage and date of mintage, is beyond present technological capability.

[My sincere apologies to MAULEMALL, members who dislike long commentary -- and the moderator tasked with monitoring my every keystroke]

I think this was a very informative post. I know I learned something from it anyway. Thanks for posting. 

24 minutes ago, Kath13 said:

You all have been so helpful!  This seems like a great place.  

It really is! There is an abundance of knowledge within this forum and their willingness to share it publicly is unfathomable. I am grateful to have found these people and consider them all my friends. 

9 hours ago, rocket23 said:

I went thru at least 10 rolled penny rolls...I found more pre 40's wheaties than any 2009 Lincolns' regardless of reverse....what gives? Have they all been hoarded??

I find them quite often. They aren't always in the best condition, but I have quite a few. I just set them aside. Do you need any certain ones? I'll be glad to look and see if I have any you need and send them to you. 

2 hours ago, Quintus Arrius said:

Is this someone's quaint way of saying I ordered pizza and a great big strawberry shake, for nothing? (I should've listened to Lancek.)

Yes, it is! I am so glad that you picked up on that one! I have only been on here for about three weeks as I am sure you know. I have enjoyed reading some of your comments because I thought you to be quite an intelligent person, heck, I even got upset when Karen said what she did. I have always been on your side. But I guess that's just the way I was raised. Do unto others, ya know? Well, I am gonna keep on abiding by my raising because God is the only person I know who doesn't make mistakes and I'll just let Him deal with you. Lancek is very smart and I appreciate his feedback because I am still learning and as for me, I am going to go eat my pizza, drink my shake, and see if I can't find another way to make you smile! I think you will find that it is easier and less exhausting than frowning and being grumpy all the time. I hope you have a wonderful day, @Quintus Arrius. 😊

Well, ladies and gentlemen, I did not have the coin analyzed, but I have come to my own conclusion that it is not what we'd hoped for. Thank you all for your encouragement... We will get em next time. Y'all have a great day and stay safe! 

5 hours ago, ronnie stein said:

If it tests as gold, like they've said, tiller, metal detector, gloves, knee pads, back brace, etc... I'm glad you remembered that being up on the shelf. It's kind of exciting for all of us because it's what we've all dreamed/fantasized of, finding buried gold coins in the garden. Good luck. (Your place isn't for sale, is it?)  😁

Well, I'd have to find somewhere to put a bunch of horses if I left here, but if anything changes I will be sure to let you know right off the bat. 😊

20 minutes ago, Rummy13 said:

WOW, that's all I can say. It is so amazing to me how much knowledge some of the people here Have and how they are willing to shear it and their time with us that are trying to learn more. I like collecting coins, but love getting all this extra knowledge. I hope people keep asking things, so I can keep learning. Thank you everyone for asking and for the great answers, that even someone like myself can understand.

I know!!! Lol, ain't it just wonderful?!?! 

10 minutes ago, Ray, USMC said:

As I just said a joy to read, perfect. Stick around here and you will learn from some of the best people in the world of coins. Some are creative some are skilled and some may come off as critical but one thing they all do, and well, is help you get to the point you want to be. Some of us are older than dirt and yet we still try to learn everyday. I am more of a reader than a writer so I sometimes sit back and try to keep my learning in a forward motion. Never give up the quest. The people on this forum are, in my opinion, the finest in the world and that includes our host, NGC.

This one is gonna be short I promise... I think they are pretty great too... All of you! And if there is a hoard, I won't forget my friends. Lol

44 minutes ago, Ray, USMC said:

Stranger thing have happened and are well documented, I hope you find something good. I would bet the post would be wonderful to read.

Awe, thank you. It's kinda funny. I don't know much about any of this ( I AM learning though), but I always seem to have plenty to say about it, lol. I enjoy "listening" to y'all too, some more than others, lol. I am really having a great time just learning and trying to figure it out... All of it. That's why I am such a pain sometimes... I don't always know all the correct terminology to ask a question straight to the point so I have to go around the whole cornfield to get to the corncrib. By then, I may have either lost all my corn or somehow gained ten ears. My point being, my mind just goes so much faster than my little hands can type and I have so much to ask that it may come out to be a mess, then my question doesn't get answered because it wasn't properly asked. For that I do sincerely apologize. If ever there's something I need to clarify please let me know for both our sakes.

It would just be so much easier for me if I could see everybody face to face and you can see my hands, lol, they are very descriptive. 

Thanks again y'all and I'll say your welcome for another daily essay by Sharann 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

11 minutes ago, Greenstang said:

Pictures of both sides along with weight and diameter might help in determining what you have.

I knew it would be a long shot without those. I just thought I would try. Thank you though and I will post them as soon as I can get them. 

This coin was found a few years ago in the ground while digging a garden. It has been sitting in the laundry room on a shelf ever since and still looks the exact same. This is the only picture I have right now, but will get more asap. I know it is a long shot, but can anyone tell what it could possibly be by this awful picture? I will post more pics and any other information I can as soon as I can. Thank y'all again😊

I took all those into consideration as well, just by thinking and what all of you have told me. It really amazes me that I thought about all these things and my question was which of the things cause the end result or was it a combination of factors. I did put it in simpler terms and did not ask as many questions in a true attempt to just get one answered. I am pretty sure that you and he have covered all the high points. I will probably get that book and read it soon because you seem to have a great understanding of the whole process and I want to as well. Thank you again for all your help 🙂

37 minutes ago, Woods020 said:

If you ever get a chance to read From Mine to Mint, by none other than RWB, you will see that different coin sizes and designs also require more/less pressure to bring out the design. Some metals move more/less and larger coins require more metal to flow as a result of the larger design.  I will say it’s not the most interesting part of the book reading a chart of strike pressure, but it is very informative. So much thought and trial and error comes into every aspect of coining it’s amazing. Every element, including how many tons of strike pressure are needed to optimize between design and die life have to be carefully considered. 

Just now, Woods020 said:

RWB can correct me if I put words in his mouth haha. He has more knowledge in his nose hair than I’ll probably ever have. But I believe what I said to be the case. 

It makes sense so I am sure you are right... And that he was right. Thank you both. 😊

6 minutes ago, Woods020 said:

Also remember the edge reeding is a result of the coin being struck in a collar. As the die impacts the planchet metal has to flow as the die sinks. The outward expansion is contained in a collar which also applies reeding, and the obverse/reverse design flows between high points and low points (the difference being the relief) of the coin. Oversimplification but hope it conveys the basic point. 

Yes, sir, I got the basic point but I promise you can't oversimplify anything right now. I am not as off kilter as I first thought I was so thank you for helping me to understand that I am really okay and that I hadn't missed as much as I thought. However, I still wonder if temperatures have any impact on what I am asking. And like I said I am only asking to totally get it, instead of walking around thinking I do when I don't. 

You have done an excellent job explaining. Thank you so much!