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On 1/6/2023 at 6:56 PM, bsshog40 said:

Congrats to you too Jason!

My third award for Best Presented Set

Honestly, I was really surprised by this one. 

Yup, as mentioned, this is strike doubling. Extreme cases can be desirable, but it is somewhat common. 

I probably wouldn't bother sending this coin in. It grades AU details, questionable color. 

How do we contact you? 

How do we report issues with threads? 

How do we report issues with spambots? 

How do we report issues with trolls? 

How do we report concerns? 

I've tried everything. 

I've used the report feature. 

I've used the PM/DM feature. 

I've directly messaged the people at NGC that I thought were supposed to be managing these forums. 

I've sent messages to Dena. To Ali E. To D.W.Lange (yeah, I know he's got a lot going on right now, absolutely nothing against him not responding). 

But, there is literally zero response from any moderator on any issue from anyone about anything, so it seems. 

The coin forums are dying.... or rather, they are being murdered. 

We need some sort of moderator response. 

I was told a couple of years ago that there was a problem with your software and you weren't seeing our reports. If that is still the case.. why haven't you fired your tech support and fixed your website. Do you want this place to die?

The coin forums are nearly dead, and are actively being murdered by a couple of trolls. 

I don't know if anyone will see this message. I really hope they do. Because I really hope that somebody somewhere cares enough to fix something, ban a couple of trolls. 

For anyone curious, the correct answer was posted on another forum within 5 hours of Larry asking the question - instead of 3 days of gibberish and postulation on this forum. 

There was little nonsense, no smoke blowing, and no bloviation. 

PM me if you want to know the answer. 

Certain "members" need not apply. 

On 11/18/2022 at 10:01 PM, Just Bob said:

Are you adding world proof like coins to your collection, or just the world coins minted in the US? 

You could say I already might have a few

https://coins.www.collectors-society.com/WCM/CoinCustomSetGallery.aspx?s=27305

And, these Hawaiian coins are some strange mix.... they were minted by the US, for a foreign country, that then became part of the US. Are they world coins? Are they US? I don't know what to think! Similar with the coins of the Philippines (although I don't have any of those). 

On 11/18/2022 at 7:13 PM, RWB said:

The photo does no suggest a PL coin.

Roger, I respect your opinion on coins more than almost anyone else, and you know this. 

Literally everything about this coin screams PL. 

Please, tell me what you think, and explain your cryptic post. 

The mirrors on this coin are ridiculous. I'm being literally blinded right now because of the white screen on this website, reflected in the deep mirrors of this coin sitting on my desk. 

I don't collect these myself, so I'm not as familiar as some others might be. 

I'd say, from consulting Photograde, that 20 might be a bit low. 30 might be warranted, but that's probably as high as I'd consider. 

So, a touch conservative but not outlandish. 

On 11/17/2022 at 9:16 PM, Crawtomatic said:

FYI, just showed the video and scale to my 12 year old son who's been haggling with dealer over IHC prices since he was 9.  He said the announcement video looked like a trailer you'd see in a movie theatre.  Then he had questions about the scale and translating it to the scale he knows.  He did point out there's less depth - for lack of a better word - in the shallow end of the pool on the NGCX scale.  Like, you're not going to see the differentiation between a 2, 4, 6, 8, & 10 when you only have 1, 1.5, 2.  So I pointed out it's supposed to be modern coins only.

But that's a hurdle to consider if introducing a new scale.  Scarcity often dictates playing in the low end.  And a '13-S Type 2 5c definitely has visible differences in that low range and the price differences to reflect it.  If you introduce a new scale it should be, well, scalable to apply to all coins.

BTW, only Mountain Dew has carte blanche to use the X suffix however and whenever they like.

I will point out that comics and baseball (sports) cards use the 10 point scale, and it seems to work well for them. Both of those types of collectibles are often subject to large amounts of wear. Being paper, they also degrade much more easily than coins. So, if it works for them, it can probably work for us too. 

Biggest problem... the coin industry has been around a bit longer, and you've got a lot of people used to the current system. Grading comics and video games is a very recent development, comparatively, and so they didn't have anything else to convert from. 

What is the other side of that? I don't recognize it, but it might be some sort of silver art medal? Highly corroded, cleaned/polished, but again, worth the silver content. 

Oh, brother. 

You need to stop buying.... anything. You need to read a couple of books. You need to ask some questions (before you buy). 

I'll bet he charged you a hefty premium for that colorized silver eagle with super rare certificate of "authenticity"? 

If you paid any more than $20 for it, you got ripped off. 

We can, and will, help you, if you are interested. But the two things you've posted so far are.... really not worth much of anything beyond their literal silver content. 

Might as well rip the band-aid off and post the other things you bought, so we can just get this out of the way. 

On 11/17/2022 at 7:44 PM, gmarguli said:

Why does a 10 or 100 point scale make more sense than a 70 point scale? The reality is that those numbers make no more sense than a 70 point scale or a 23 point scale. Our brains are wired to like round numbers and that is the only reason people promote a 10 point or 100 point scale.

Does a 10 point scale really make any sense when you have to break down the numbers by .1 and .5? The current most logical would be a 30 point scale since that is how many grade points we currently use. Or a scale were 1-100 inversely equaled the amount of wear, with 100 being unc (MS60). From 100 to a higher number you could take into account the varying quality of unc coins.

Yes, the fact that we like and understand round numbers is a strong argument in favor of this. 

And I also agree that the arbitrary 0.1 and 0.5 divisors are too beholden to the Sheldon scale. Realistically, they just took the 70 points and crammed them into 10. But with plus grades, we've already got a whole more than 30! 

That is one big reason why I like the 100 point scale better.... you don't necessarily need 100 discrete points. It gives you breathing room to define grades without decimals and pluses and whatnot.

What we really need is a completely new way of thinking about coins, grades, and descriptions. 

Oh, no, very much no. That is artificial and fake as toning comes. I don't want to pee in your Cheerios, but that is definitely fake all the way, 100%. Not a single thing about that is right. 

And no, as you may infer, I don't like it. 

Sorry. 

On 11/17/2022 at 6:11 PM, Hoghead515 said:

Im like you. If they did change it at all it would be better with a 100 point scale than a 10.

Really, it is the exact same... Literally the only difference is a 9.9 vs a 99. 

There has been a push and desire to go to a 100 point grading scale to replace Sheldon for a very long time. Sheldon's scale didn't make much sense when it was first published, and it makes even less sense now. 

I, for one, am strongly in favor of a new, universal scale. I'm not convinced a 10 point scale is the most ideal, but given that is how many, many other things are also graded it makes sense to have a parallel to other collectibles. 

And yes, it is going to be a sometimes difficult transition. Yes, there will be a period where both scales are used. 

But, I think that it is high time we consider something like this. 

Ah, Z. I thought you were better than that.

Ok, bye! 

On 11/15/2022 at 8:15 PM, zadok said:

...apparently u didnt get the memo...wake up n check out whats actually been going on around u for the past century plus....

Yup, got the memo. 

From 1860 to 2000, lots of value, probably. 

Last couple of decades? Not so much. Haven't kept up with the times. Haven't modernized yet.