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On the newer proofs I always liked that tunnel effect that you can see when you turn it a certain way. I know you all know what im talking about. What is the proper term for that effect? Where the device keeps repeating itself down deep into the field of the coin. Like on that old movie "Spaceballs," where they are watching themselves on TV. Lol. It gives that effect.

Congratulations erwindoc!!!!!!!

Thank you my friend. And thank you to your grandsons. God bless you all

Im to the part in the book where they are talking about the presses they used back then. I just read about the powerful hydraulic press they used for proofs at Philadelphia in 1893. I was just wondering before I read on if there is a section ahead of me that explains how they prepared the planchets for proofs back then? I've always wondered how they prepared them exactly. I know they polished them but never knew the exact steps taken. Also dont they use different dies for proofs? If so is it the same metal composition as regular dies? I have a million questions about proofs. Is there a good book someone could refer to me that describe everything about a proof from old days to new? Thank you for the feedback my friends. Im really starting to appreciate this hobby a whole lot more by having the privilege to talk to you all and read some amazing material such a FMTM.

Looks really good man. Turned out super nice. I like it a lot.

I like some of those old love tokens from back in the 1800s.

Congratulations Abeulo!!!!!!

Yep. It was probably hard for them to see and know the quality of each others finished products and keep up with them do to the distances apart from each other. Like you said it probably looked good enough to them. They probably thought they was on with all the other mints. Just my guesses on it. Id say your spot on.

You can do whatever you want to. We are just trying to help you so you don't waste your money. That is still a great find. Congratulations on that one. But personally myself I would get some coin flips or something to put them in and preserve them.

You can buy one already graded ms66 RD on Ebay for 17.00. It will cost way more than that shipping and all to get 1 graded. Be lucky if any of those will grade that high.

Nice find.

Thats the way I feel. If I don't win anything im very excited to see other people win. Love to see good things happen to people.

Congratulations bsshog40!!!!!!

I noticed that also. If u look really close you can see them all

Thats probably why then aint it. Cause of the different processes each mint used. Such as the annealing processes. Is why certain ones has better quality coins. Thanks for the feedback. Thats some interesting info to think about

Another thing I found very interesting is that no 2 mints were exactly alike. I never thought about that before. I guess its probably like that at every factory. Even today. Depending on the bosses or employees they go about things in slightly different ways. Or use slightly different equipment. Ive never really thought about that before. I always thought making a coin was making a coin or whatever. But places are set up differently and they have to take a slightly different approach at it to get the job done. Alot of people will read this thread and think im rambling on about something crazy unless they read and pay attention to the book. Then they will get an understanding about what im talking about. I am rambling on and I'm sorry about that but you gotta understand that I'm one of those people it doesn't take much to fascinate me. I live way out in the woods and never got to see or read about this kind of stuff much up until we got internet put in. We never had internet here up in till around 3 years ago. Finally got wifi last spring. But I never really thought about the mints, or any factory as far as that goes, of making the exact product, pretty much the same process, but using slightly different techniques ,tools,or etc. Ill quit yapping now. Just thought I'd share that if there is anyone out there who even cares. Lol.

As a new collector I cherish your opinions. All of you experienced numismatis. I like it when I'm corrected because thats how I learn. But I see what you are talking about. Some just don't want to be wrong even if they don't have a clue what they are talking about. Like its your fault that they don't have what they think they do. It annoys me also just watching them argue with you all. Why not just accept an experts opinion or fact and write it down as a learning experience. I dont understand why these people just think they are gonna pull a 1000 dollar coin out of the change jar like that. That don't happen very often. Some people just don't want to accept the reality.

Can't really tell by the photo but looks like someone tried to melt it with something.

I noticed that but never said anything. I also wondered the same thing.

Id love to read a book sometime also of today's processes. The equipment and how they part and refine metal. And the instruments used in these modern times. And how the rules have changed. Im into that kind of stuff.

What i don't understand is they were melting ingots at CC mint in 1880 (page 258) and they used copper tongs, pails, and etc. because of the iron discoloring the silver ingots. But they used cast iron molds to pour the ingots. Were the plates of the mold treated somehow or was it far enough in the process where it wouldn't discolor them? Im wondering why they didn't line the insides of the molds with copper plating. Thank you for any feedback. And a big shout out to RWB. This is one of my favorite books I've ever read. This is my kind of reading material. I always loved history and I really enjoy it because most history books just tell what they done. This one explains in detail of how they done it and what they used to do it down to the detail. Very rare to find a book that goes into fine details. And that's what is more interesting to me than anything. Cant wait to get done and start over again with the CD. This book has made me appreciate my older coins from that time period.

Thank you. I had a wonderful Christmas with my family. We all got to spend time together. Been nicer if we could have done more hugging but it was still great to see them. We had to have a social distance Christmas due to the elderly relatives. I enjoyed watching all the young ones play and have a good time. To me thats what life is all about.

I never understood why anyone would want to take a really old coin like that in very good condition and ruin it with artificial toning. Completely ruin a very old piece of history. Just my opinion it should be illegal. Breaks my heart to see it.

I love how proofs when turned a certain way have the mirror tunneling effect. I dont know exactly what its called but I know you all know what im talking about. When you can see the device in the reflection and it keeps repeating itself going deeper and deeper. Kinda like on that old movie "Spaceballs." When they are watching themselves on the computer screen. Lol. (Love that movie) But I really love the effect that makes when they do that. If anyone knows the true name of that effect would you share it.

Very nice