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That one looks like it layed in a gravel driveway for a pretty good while.

looks like a large date. Looks like it may be an 83. Can't really tell. I'm no expert tho.

Has there ever been a commerative coin with Franklin Peale on it? If not there should be. He was one of the most important inventors who ever stepped foot in the US Mint. His improvements to the mint were genius for their time.

Very nice looking one whatever it is. I got one like it but mines scratched up and looks rough. That one there is pretty sweet. Mine has alot weaker strike also.

That is a very beautiful coin USMC Ray.

Yep. 93 is when they went to the close AM

After thinking on it a few. The stamping of the coin could cause that beveled look though couldn't it.

That's wild it's heavily circulated like that. I figured someone would have plucked it a long time ago. What got me is the side view of it looks beveled on both sides. Like it's been pinched with something. How do those machines that cut them work exactly. And the little rough lip sticking in the middle on the side view of it.

I got some from the bank the other day and they all were. I guess they must have been out of a new bundle. I ended up spending them. Pretty cool though. If I wasn't so poor I'd a kept them.

Looks like someone took some kind of cutters or something to it.

Hadn't seen ya on here in a day or two. Good to see ya again.

Very interesting. Seems like he was trying to justify himself in that appeal letter pretty badly before Congress. I found it interesting they found those Fugio coin dies at his father in laws New Haven Mint years later where they are pretty sure the Connecticut coppers were struck also. He was probably in on it also. Didn't they both go back across the pond after Jarvis was found for breach of contract? Jarvis and Samuel Broome? The article didn't say much more but I did see where after it was all said and done he ended up getting fined a little over $10,000. I saw where they went back to Europe but, I think it may have been before his trial. I'm not sure. I had trouble understanding it. I didn't know if he was trying to evade the US or what the reason was. But he seemed like a weasel. It's hard to say what all undocumented things he done and got by with. He done old Duer wrong. Duer seemed a little shady also didn't he ? He gave that 12,809 pounds of gov copper to Jarvis 4 months before Congress decided to do a contract coinage. That's what the $10,000 dollars he bribed Duer over wasn't it? Over that? I'm starting to get it. With your alls help. You've been a tremendous help to me understanding this. Thank you. I can't hardly understand they're letters real well. You all have done studied and know all about it. Its helping translate what I read. Very interesting story. There's been crooks since man was created it seems. Old Jarvis seen his opportunity to get some copper. He's worse than my neighbors. They like to steal copper also. Maybe not quite the amount Jarvis did though.

Reading into it some more it looks like he was having a very hard time fulfilling his contract with the 300 tons of copper coinage he promised Congress. Also I guess Jarvis never accounted for all the government copper. The author is kinda making him out to be a shady character. He's saying some of that copper may have been used to strike some Connecticut coppers.

I got a little bit confused. It's hard for me to understand some of these old letters and things. Sometimes I have to read something several times. I was studying into it some more. Did Jarvis have the Fuguo coins struck across seas against Congress wishes? Seems the way I'm taking it is Congress wanted them struck over here to show we were a self relient country and in case of a war. And I read an appeal letter from Jarvis that says it was necessary to strike them in Europe to met the demand in his contract. And it also said something about Jarvis defaulted his contract. Did I read something wrong or am I understanding Jarvis wasn't supposed to have them struck in Europe? I got totally lost somewhere.

I've had a wonderful time reading the info on everything. That report on May 15 ,1836 was on my birthday. Just a year or two before I was born though. Thank you all for posting all the wonderful information. It is cherished. I get very excited reading and learning about this kind of stuff.

I will definitely look into them. I like reading those old letters. Some of them are very interesting. And some of those old diary entries also. Such as Robert Morris old diary entries. I read an article that had some of them in it. He was talking about that Dudley guy was asking for money in bout every other entry. That must be some of my old ladys ancestors. Lol

You have some very nice coins and I really enjoyed the descriptions and the stories behind them. Thank you for sharing that.

I would love to check out your sets and learn more. I have come to love this hobby. I have bout come to love learning the history as much as collecting the coins. Thank you very much for the information. I really enjoy reading about this time period also. Any kind of history around this time period I love but I really find it interesting of how they were trying to establish a mint. I also read about where they rejected using Morris money system he came up with and decided to go with fractions of a dollar. I think it was Jefferson who decided on that wasn't it? I need to read it again. I really enjoyed it.

Didn't mean to post this in the newbie thread. Sorry about that everyone.

I read a very interesting letter just now Thomas Jefferson wrote to John Jay in 1787 regarding Jean Pierre Droz's ability to strike very nice coins. Evidently they were concerned about counterfeits from the beginning before they established a mint. And one way to help prevent them was to strike very nice coins that would be hard to duplicate. Here's a quote from Jefferson. "Coin should always be made in the highest perfection possible because it is a great guard against the danger of false coinage." I found that very interesting and wanted to share it on here. Maybe if anyone wanted to add any feedback or comments it would be very much welcomed. I enjoy talking to you all and learning from your great knowledge.

Very nice. Hope she scores a good grade for ya.

He may be wanting to spread his name out there all over coin holders so everyone will remember him as a big player. And hoping one day people will want to collect his name as much as the coins. Just an opinion. There are several people out there in the world like that. Want to be remembered some way or another and want people to know or think they are important.

That is where I saw them now that you mentioned it. Some of them looked really good. I would love to own an example. I'd say it would probably run a fortune to add one to the collection.

Did they end up striking proofs on the steel cents? The article I read was written before they came out and they said they didn't know if they were gonna be able to strike proofs or not.

I find that stuff very interesting. I seen some pictures of those old glass coins they expiremented with while back. I think they was graded by NGC. They was very neat. Would love to have one one of these days. They are probably a bit on the expensive side. Don't remember seeing any prices. I think it was Blue Ridge Glass Corp. Who made them. If you get the chance look into it. Its very cool stuff. I believe I'm gonna purchase his book soon. I'd really like to journey into the subject a little further.