Fenntucky Mike

Cheaper to submit yourself if you can get one. No guarantee of a 70 though, it can be a crapshoot. If you want a guaranteed 70 you'll end up paying a premium for it, especially so soon after release. 

Of course you could buy from the mint and hold on to it, enjoying it for what it is or take a chance and not buy anything then wait several years in hopes that the price drops.

Wait, one more option. You can get immediately hosed and buy presale.

I've had good experiences with them, both direct and through ebay. I think they are siriussportsauctions on the bay.

I would post some pictures of both sides of the coin, there are probably a few individuals here who could give you an idea of what you have. 

Why couldn't a fractionally owned coin go on tour to numismatic events? Owners get behind the scenes access to "their" coin and front row seats to the high end auction associated with the event, etc. Might have to get stadium seating for all the owners.

I agree it would not be a good investment as speculators would bid against speculators until... ohhh, so sorry.

Unless they start charging money to see these coins at shows (and turn a profit), kind of like the "world's biggest pig" booth at a county fair.

This is fairly common, I think the winning horse of this years derby had around 4,200 "micro-owners". I think the shares were around $200 before the Derby. Those 4,200 people were/are probably pretty happy.

Some of it is bragging rights/having a piece of something you could never completely own on your own and the rest is speculation/gambling, either way if it isn't already in the coin world it may not be far off for the the most expensive lots.

1 hour ago, Revenant said:

This can't possibly be good for collectables and hobbies.

I don't know about that, will it increase selling prices, create buzz and bring people in, maybe? A coin "stock market"? Sole ownership of the top top stuff would go away, but does that make a difference?  

To tie in another thread, maybe this is what the ANA should do with there collection, sell off 40,000 shares but retain the majority stake and keep it in their possession and on display at the museum.

I think it's the ultra rare Venus De Milo variety (with out top). Why can't anyone else see it?

Better send this in.

Four crowned shields, proof.

PM on the way.

They have it listed as "Temporarily Out of Stock" so I don't think they have it. I was mainly searching for information, but I did ask if they had it just in case.

They do have a 1986 "unlisted" full sovereign (mintage 12), asking $2,800. If you want to try and negotiate with them let me know and I'll PM you a link to the website.

I'm not sure why the 86 full sovereign was not listed anywhere, the 1/2, 2 & 5 are all in the references. Only makes sense that there would be a 1, since they typically sold the proofs in four coin sets. The references need some updating.

28 minutes ago, Zebo said:

1) where are the other three coins from the set and why were they separated?

2) why do you included the approved maximum mintage for the BU2 (COA)?  I cannot remember if the number of strikes in 1984 for proofs was two or four as it is today. I have that information someplace, but cannot put my fingers on it at the moment.

3) where is the letter stating that it was part of the four piece set? Without the letter - I do not believe that you can distinguish between the sets and the individual offerings. I'd have to examine both in hand.

It looks like the seller broke up the set, they have the 1984 5,2 & 1 Sovereigns listed as well but they have different NGC cert #'s so they were not submitted at the same time or at least on separate forms.

Sorry, I included the COA for the BU2. Didn't mean to confuse things, my lame attempt at humor, it came with a BU example that I saw on the internet, just thought I'd share. I would be interested to learn the # of strikes for the proof, I imagine that it is 4.

I asked for a copy or picture of the letter from Rulau and images of the original mint packaging, we'll see. I was assuming the proofs were only released as sets and made up for the entire estimated mintage of "20", and the BU's were sold as individual offerings totaling between 12 & 20. Were proofs sold as individual coins? Are these figures the total sold or minted, were any melted, are there records for what they melted in any of the years?

On 9/19/2020 at 9:42 AM, Zebo said:

The 1984 is a rarity with 20 minted (per catalogs) in BU and 12 in Proof.

What do you think about this quote from a seller of a 1984 PF 1/2 Sovereign.

"KM# 260 LIST 20 MINTED, HOWEVER A LETTER WAS ISSUED FROM RUSSELL RULAU V.P. POBJOY MINT THAT ONLY 10 SETS WERE EVER MADE (A COPY COMES WITH THE SALE)"

Does anyone know something about this letter? Is it a gimmick or is it real?

Good news for you if there were only 10 produced.

Didn't quite make it to 40,000. 

What was the reason for "cancelling" the production on the 1984? My guess is that Pobjoy cancelled the production due poor sales numbers and large mintages in 81 & 82 (come on, who would want the 81 sovereign?). I can't imagine the IoM cancelling the run, from all accounts they had nothing to loose, financially anyway. 

Would make a sweet Christmas gift for one of the nephew's. Let's do this.

The "4" is probably an indication of the number of times the coin was struck.

I've seen similar notations on other Pobjoy products, it seems that starting around 1985 they changed from normally striking a proof coin twice to four times. In the 1/10 angels that is why you see some of the 1984's with just PF or PFCA designations, everything after that is PFUC. Pobjoy felt the need to "advertise" the increased # of strikes, or at least that is my theory. 

Found a letter from a 1991 proof set where the number of strikes is still being mentioned.

I can see who reacted to posts on the PMG side but not here.

A lovely "armored equestrian", as Krause puts it.

Were you able to find any additional info on mintage figures?

Sounds like that "Buyer" knew what they were doing, the Feedback they left is a red flag to me "known autopen". 

If this is accurate I wouldn't be putting any of those up for sale on eBay until this is resolved. 

Interesting to see if NGC replies.

I've got good news and bad news:

Bad news, if your looking for mintage figures they are not in this book.

Good news, it's not a bad read and I now know more about the IoM than anyone in the Midwest. I'm just waiting for the new (4th) edition of Spink to arrive, it'll be back to the drawing board if there is nothing there.

17 minutes ago, Coinbuf said:

An interesting side note, a handful of members ATS have publicly taken the stance that they will not buy a PCGS coin unless it has a TV.  I actually doubt the validity of this position by those who have pontificated this stance, but it makes me wonder if there are buyers on the net that are swayed by an official NGC or PCGS photo.

I don't know if people are swayed by the stock photos but if I'm bidding on a PCGS coin and I see the "gold shield" I'll give it a couple dollar premium over a non gold shield or NGC coin. Reason being, is that I believe the only thing you need to access the gold shield images is to have the cert # (someone correct me if I'm wrong on this). I still prefer the Photo Vision images over the TV images but it's the ease of access with the TV's and that they travel with the coin, you don't have to try and get them from the original owner. I can see those two things making TV more popular, ease of access to images and a symbol on the label telling you that there are images available.

Not buying a coin because it does not have a TV image, well that just sounds silly to me.

8 hours ago, rocket23 said:

Do we send coins to be graded to the p.o. box 4776 sarasota fl. ??

That's where I send mine. FYI, sounds like they are a week + behind in opening the mail.

What are planning on sending in? Any pics?

You're gonna need this label if you want at true 2020 set

got to have all the varieties.

Very nice, it looks like they captured the luster on those Morgan's nicely. I've always been happy with NGC Photo Vision, the few times I tried it out (8 bucks each why not on a few coins).

I will say that the "stock" photos that NGC takes of coins in the slabs can very wildly in quality, but they are photos for verification not glamor shots.

How would you compare Photo Vision to True View? I tend to lean towards Photo Vision, seems to me that the images are more accurate with what the coin looks like in hand.

Very nice, I hadn't seen these before. 

Yul Brenner with hair always makes me nervous, even if it's just a shuck of hair.

29 minutes ago, 7.jaguars said:

I have never seen them worn or actually circulated. Has anyone else?

Not the few I've seen. I mean the ones I have do have some contact or bag marks and the occasional finger print but all are in very good condition. Makes me wonder about fakes.

Never seem to get the stars right on these copies/fakes, let alone the finer details.

This thread made it to 100 posts.

All this talk about IoM coinage I had to pull the trigger on something. Here's my latest purchase, arrived yesterday.

All the scuffs on the rev are on the holder.