Alex in PA.

Been waiting for the chance to see some of these. 

That 78 S is a dandy.  San Fran minted some good looking coins 1878 to 1890.  Hey Hog - IMO that 54 Half should have got more than 65.  Very nice toning.

They have to verify that the coins are there (probably) and then determine WHERE on the boat they would have been kept.  If those coins spread out over the ocean floor, the increase in salvage costs could make the whole thing a money-loser.
Believe it or not, they can't find a schematic/layout of the ship.
 

NGC MS65 FBL

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Yes!  However, no one seems in a hurry to get rich.  

They keep coming.

I was one of a panel of variety experts who confirmed that the 1943-S DDO cent long known as FS-101 is actually a 1943/1942-S overdate cent! Yes, it has been hiding in plain sight for a long time. Here's the text of a press release written by Tom DeLorey and based upon our research, followed by NGC's photo of this amazing variety.
 
About 45 years ago, collector Del Romines came into my office at Coin World’s Collectors Clearinghouse with two well-worn 1943-P nickels that he thought were 1943/2-P overdates. I thought that he might be right, so I took pictures of his coins, published them in Coin World, and asked if anybody had a higher grade specimen that could verify the overdate. One week later a member of my local coin club, Bern Nagengast, cherrypicked a sharp BU specimen at a coin show, and the 1943/42-P Jefferson nickel was confirmed. At the time people were amazed that it had taken almost 35 years for the overdate to be noticed.
About a month ago longtime collector James Elliott contacted me via the Internet and said that another collector in the die variety collecting field, Pete Apple, had recommended that he contact me about a 1943-S cent that he had with a known Doubled Die Obverse that he thought was also a 1943/2-S overdate. As with Del Romines and his 1943/42-P nickels, I think he is right, and my fellow die variety specialists Bill Fivaz, John Wexler and James Wiles agree with me, as does noted Lincoln cent specialist and author David Lange. In our unanimous opinion, the 1943/1942-S cent is a true overdate!
Though it is a known die variety, and has been for many years, it has only ever been recognized for its die doubling. It is currently listed as such in the “Cherrypickers’ Guide” by Bill Fivaz and the late J.T. Stanton as variety FS-101 (019.5) among the 1943-S cents. [The (019.5) number is an obsolete reference number from the earlier editions of the CPG, which is noted because it might be found on older TPG slabs.]
The misalignment of the designs between the 1942-dated hub and the 1943-dated hub pivots around a spot on the left obverse rim. Because of this swing the coin shows only trivial doubling on the word LIBERTY close to the pivot point, but some fairly strong doubling almost due North and South at the base of the 1. There is similar doubling under the top curve of the 9 and along the right side the leg of the 9. There is extra metal below the sharp left angle of the 4 that corresponds in scale to the doubling on the 1 and the 9. Fairly rare early die state coins will also show similar doubling on the base of the 4, but this feature apparently was either worn off or polished off of the die early in its die life.
Elliott gets the credit for first suggesting that the doubled die was actually an overdated die, ever since he asked the question back in July of 2020 in a private online forum, “Lincoln Cent Errors and Varieties Only,” on Facebook. As he pointed out, “the extra metal to the upper right side of the 3 matches a 2.” He provided an overlay to show how an underlying 2 could account for that extra metal. As my colleagues and I have confirmed, this extra metal does not line up with any part of the 3 if the entire 1943 date is doubled in a North-South direction, the same way that the 1 and the 9 and the 4 are doubled.
As seen in the attached overlay of a 1943 date and a 1942 date created by die variety specialist Dr. James Wiles, owner of the Variety Vista website, the high arched curve of the upper right part of a 2 falls into the field to the right of the top of the 3. Study the pictures of the overdate, and see that the blob of raised metal to the right of the top of the 3 cannot align with any part of a 3 that is doubled only North and South.
There is extra metal inside the top of the 3 that corresponds with the upper left curve of the 2, though its similarity to the upper left curve of the 3 must be acknowledged. However, it does seem to match the angle of the upper left curve of the 2 more than that of the 3. There is extra metal below the center “tine” of the 3 that corresponds with the lower left curve of the 2, above the base of the 2 (which is not present).
If you are wondering why there is nothing else inside the bottom of the 3, look at the images of normal 1942 and 1943 dates and see that the 2 is rather short, the same height as the 4, while the 3 is much taller, the same height as the 9. Only a 3 could be down there if the 3 were doubled, and there is nothing.
Why is the base of the 2 missing and the upper right curve of the 2 weak? This is a function of the hubbing process. Back then blank dies were polished down to a very shallow cone on the end to help the positive steel hub transform the negative steel die more effectively. As the hub came into contact with the die blank the center of the design would form first, and then spread outwards as the hub sank deeper and deeper into the die.
Eventually the die became work hardened from all this pressure, and so the hub stopped entering the conical die blank before the design impression had reached out all the way to the rim of the die. The die now needed to be annealed, or heated in an oven to a certain temperature and allowed to cool slowly overnight. This softened the die steel. On the next working day it was put back under a design hub for another impression. Sometimes this process had to be repeated more than once, depending upon the diameter and relief of the design, the skill of the annealer, the skill of the hubber, etc., etc.
If the second (or third) hub impression happened to be from a different hub with a different date, the result should be an overdate “IF” the earlier date was sufficiently formed during the previous impression(s). Dual date hubbing could have happened near the end of any calendar year when the Engraving Department was still producing dies for current usage from the current year’s hub while simultaneously producing dies from the next year’s hub in order to have some ready to be used on January 2nd.
The same thing happened with the 1909/8 gold double eagle, the 1918/7-D nickel, the 1918/7-S quarter, the 1942/41-P&D dimes, and the 1943/42-P nickel. It has been speculated that it is no coincidence that six of the seven modern hubbed overdates occurred during wartime, when the Mint would be less inclined to scrap out a blundered but perfectly usable die. It is also possible that one or more of the skilled hubbers was off serving his country in the military.
On this particular die the outer parts of the design, such as IN GOD WE TRUST, were not formed by the first impression, and so they could not be doubled by the second impression of the hub. Over in the word LIBERTY, the BERTY shows some very trivial die doubling (being close to the pivot point), while the LI show no doubling at all because they did not exist before the second hubbing. The upper right curve of the 2 was incompletely formed by the first hubbing, while the flat base of the 2 was not formed because it lies closer to the rim.
Something similar can be seen on the 1943/42-P nickel, on which the top of the date is closest to the rim. It shows a strong base of the 2 from the original hubbing, but not the center or top of the 2. The result was a 3 over a partial 2. By contrast, if only the bases of LIBERTY and IN GOD WE TRUST were formed by the 1942 hub impression, the letters were simply finished normally by the subsequent 1943 impression.
Several specimens of the 1943/1942-S cent have been examined. Only the earliest die states show doubling at the bottom of the upright of the 4. Middle to later die states show some strong vertical die polish lines, as might have been caused by the use of an emery stick to clean the die, in the field above the date.
The die variety will continue to be listed in the “Cherrypickers Guide” as FS-101, though a new description of it will be forthcoming. The description in the Numismatic Guaranty Company’s Variety Plus website will also be amended.
I would like to thank James Elliott for having the wisdom to look at “what everybody knows is so” and asking questions. I would also like to thank Bill Fivaz, David W. Lange, John Wexler and Dr. James Wiles for their invaluable contributions in adding yet another overdate to the canon of American die varieties. To those of you who were amazed when I published the 1943/42-P nickel some 35 years after it was first struck, all I can say 79 years after the 1943/1942-S was first struck is: “KEEP LOOKING!!!”
 

Yup, they have some really nice labels.  I think they add to the coin's distinctiveness.
For instance, on my Saint-Gaudens Commemorative Silvers you have a nice portrait of SG. 

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My regrets that NGC doesn't give Life Sentences.   

As I said I like NGC.  They did a whopping good job on my Carson City gold coins with Conservation and regrade.  I sent in 3 $20.00 CC DEs three years ago and two went up 1 grade.  What I guess I like most about NGC is their specialty labels.  

That is scary.  I just recently sent my Carson City collection to PCGS and had them all looked over for authenticity and the reholdered in the Gold Shield NFC anti-counterfeiting holders.   But this makes me nervous about future buying.  

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Let me muddy the waters if I may.  I do not think PCGS or NGC has much of a 'premium' on them if the slab does not have a Green or Gold CAC bean on it.  Just my opinion; that's all.

But...they do have run-on sentences, and occasional sentence fragments..... 

Imagine if you went to prison.....and were given a life sentence...and the only food they gave you was Life cereal...and the only board game you could play was The Game of Life.
Truly a LIFE sentence ! 
 

It was a die transfer counterfeit, some of those are good enough to get the TPGs. NGC and PCGS have holdered some. They are really good. 

Oh the good ole days.

Hi guys! Idky that original thread wouldn't allow me to respond any more, but here is the answer I finally got about those Perth Mint Isle of Man Aircraft of WWII Coins I have that many of us were discussing whether they were Silver or CuproNickel. Turns out all this time my Son had a larger capacity postage scale that didn't go into overload when a cup of water was set on it, so I was able to try, and master, the Specific Gravity Test. Oooooo...Aaaahhhhh...lol! 
And the answer to this long awaited question is....drum roll please...do it...CUPRONICKEL!!!!! And I'm not even upset about it. I am just absolutely thrilled to finally know what the heck they are. Right?! 
I even made 8 very short, equalling 9 minutes, videos of the entire process in case y'all think it would be beneficial to post them. Otherwise there's an upload of my results in this thread. 
I'm just so darn proud of myself, and if it weren't for you guys right here in this forum id have never even heard of Specific Gravity much less run the tests myself. I really feel like you all have increase my knowledge greatly and for that I thank you from the bottom of my teensy heart.
That last listed one is an old Sternwheel Regatta Token from a festival we used to have here, and I believe my results say it is indeed silver. I never dreamt it would be.

Yes and I think some people who are members of both TPGs believe that.  I use PCGS for all my Carson City Coins 'except' my Carson City gold.  I have a long time personal rule:  Silver to PCGS and Gold to NGC.  Don't ask me why; I just seem to like they way they do it.  Now I do have a small Buffalo Nickel collection in NGC Holders and NGC Buffalo Labels.  I like that.
PS:  Great comment of yours.