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As a follow-up, here's a close up shot of the variety of the coin I had submitted. At the lower left of the 6 you can see the bottom of the 1 poking out.
I used too much digital zoom on these pics, but you get the idea. Die cracks around the periphery of the obverse. Die polish marks across the reverse.
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That's an interesting thought. I can see merit in that. It would even help differentiate market value and perhaps reduce some of the "market grading" that results in a higher score on eye appeal rather than technical merit.
If a TPG instituted it then they could also see an uptick of resubmissions related.
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7 minutes ago, Insider said:
We are to wear them for both cases. And the flaw in your argument is VERY OBVIOUS to anyone who cares to think about it. if the virus can get through most types of masks when you breath in... wait for it, wait for it...
We're off topic from the original post and I don't want to debate it much. But using a coin analogy, when a coin is struck through grease some, or most, of the details are lost but not all of them. That's how a mask works to slow the spread of a virus. The infected carrier's breath is the die, the mask is the grease, and the air in front of them is the coin.
Be safe, buddy.
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Do you have a better picture of IGWT? I'm not seeing the doubling. Refer to the VarietyPlus listing for a mint state example.
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On the 86-D I'd suspect misplaced metal due to a hit the coin took in circulation.
The lower coin (can't make out the date), looks as if somebody pressed a washer into the obverse. But a better picture of it could help explain it further. Include a picture of the reverse in case there's signs of a clamp or vise grip that would've been used.
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12 minutes ago, Insider said:
We have several very effective treatments right now. As for a vaccine, don't hold your breath.
BTW, the masks most of us are forced to wear DO NOT KEEP VIRUS PARTICLES OUT! If the press in this country were doing its job - many things we think we know would be much different.
It's been 6 months, man. How have you not heard already that there usage is not to keep particles out of the air you breathe in? They're to prevent particles from spreading freely from the exhausted breath of a carrier.
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10 hours ago, MAULEMALL said:
just ignored THE WORLD HEALTH ORGs SCIENCE ...
The ones yall claimed was 100% infallible and proof pos that the world was coming to an END... C'mon man....
AGAIN... The WHO REVERSED IT'S LOCKDOWN AND MASK POLICY ... ADMITTED THEY WERE WRONG...
If you went off the headlines alone I could see that interpretation. But reading the articles and crosschecking to other sources that's not the same conclusion I come to.
“We in the World Health Organization do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus,” the group’s envoy, Dr. David Nabarro, told world health leaders and media on Sunday. “The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganize, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it.”
There's no mention that they indicate masks are wrong. I think they're just stating that if you do the lockdown, you should come up with a plan of action and then implement it. In America we've had a lot of non-compliance with suggested actions (like wearing masks and limiting social gatherings) that works against the plan of action. Granted, we're a really big country. Virus spread in all areas aren't the same so a national policy would either come off as heavy-handed or unnecessary in certain areas but well appreciated in hot spots. So we've had a policy creation process that shifted responsibility down to the state, and even county, level. But with all the misinformation & different narratives people are either choosing to ignore the directives at their local level or believing the whole thing is blown out of proportion.
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5 hours ago, MAULEMALL said:
This one has me perplexed...
Is this an actual Somalie coin.. NGC Says yes And perfect... Where would one find this and What registry would it fall into?
Found it in 10 seconds. Didn't even have to seach the dark web.
https://www.govmint.com/2020-2-oz-silver-donald-trump-uhr-ngc-pf70-whl
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Do these fall under US or World Coins for submission? Particularly Phillipines coins minted by the US Mints.
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I mean, if the US Mint says coins are stamped and not minted I guess we can stop correcting all the newbies about correct terminology, eh?
By the way, I'm just making fat stacks of coins with this. Got the auto-stamper machine upgrade and solving the coin shortage problem myself, y'all.
Review: 2/5 Pretty lame game. But it's got coins.
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On 8/10/2020 at 3:11 PM, Insider said:
NO MAJOR TPGS gives a second thought about how the others grade a coin.
I thought you stated earlier that any submitter for crossover of a lower tier TPG would be sorely disappointed if they didn't submit it raw? I feel like that statement implies a level of caring that this statement discredits.
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On 8/5/2020 at 9:49 AM, VKurtB said:
Yes, NGC. only accepts actual in-slab crossovers from PCGS. People who send in any other service are in effect submitting raw coins. When I send an ICG coin to NGC, I do crack it out, but I sometimes keep it in the readily identifiable ICG translucent insert. That way they know they’re likely reviewing an ICG coin.
If I submit a lower tier 3rd party holdered coin I leave it in the holder and let NGC crack it out. I know it'll be considered raw but since I don't crack out holders every day I leave that bit to somebody more experienced.
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No personal opinion on the coin but here's an article by NGC about counterfeit detection of the Pilgrim published in 2016.
https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/5579/counterfeit-1920-pilgrim-tercentenary-commemorative/
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If that's rim damage from 4 o'clock to 6 o'clock on the reverse that'll eliminate a straight grade as well. Hard to tell if it's just a picture cropping issue though.
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2 hours ago, Conder101 said:
And how would you compensate for differences in strike? Otherwise a lightly worn well struck piece might grade higher than a MS but more weakly struck coin. Would you have to have different "maps" for each date and mint of a series? For example you couldn't use the same reference "map" for a 21 and a 23 peace dollar. Or a 26 S and 38 D buffalo nickel.
That would be my presumption as well, that you'd need a specimen map for each date/mint. That approach would apply if you're talking about the ultrasound mapping, photograding, or in hand grading, correct?
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16 minutes ago, Big Nub numismatics said:
Lol. My thing is how many five-star reviews the seller has.
Now to really hijack this thread and focus more on the seller. I sell on eBay, others here as well, but I don't juice up images or make claims about the coins I list. I don't need that type of stress in my life.
But based on this thread on coin community from September 2019 he had 6,279 positive reviews/stars. So in less than a year he's received positive rating on an additional 6,302 items (currently sits at 12,581 stars). Where he has 46 pages of "As a Buyer feedback" there's 1,099 "As a Seller".
https://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=354987
There's items in his shop I'd buy but most I'd scroll right past. I can't knock him too bad. He's obviously putting in the work. And is it really his fault a fool and his money are soon parted?
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@VKurtB would be happy to know they're on YouTube too
You have to wait for the music to really kick in, though.
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3 hours ago, Thompson2 said:
eBay.. $610... just a guess... :lol:
But if I had paid that much, I'd 100% get it graded... right now... like yesterday... since there's a non-zero chance it'll come back as fake.. then at least you can go back to the seller to get your money back... seriously... get it graded... otherwise that guy is laughing all the way to the bank..
If it's real and grades high, that'll be a hell of a score...
Good digging. I'm sure eBay would not side with the seller in this case but this is an awfully Red Flag type of policy to have in your listing.
WE OFFER A GENEROUS 30 DAY RETURN POLICY. IF YOU CHOOSE TO SEND AN ITEM TO A THIRD PARTY GRADING SERVICE YOU FORFEIT THE RIGHT TO RETURN THE ITEM FOR A REFUND. IF YOU DISAGREE WITH OUR POLICY PLEASE DO NOT PLACE ANY BIDS ON OUR ITEMS!
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2 hours ago, RWB said:
You can get 100% accuracy with much less trouble with a 5-point matrix. Works for all coin types. Use surface characterization and ultrasonic ranging to define deviation from nominal. (Ultra sound is more accurate at very close distances than light.)
I like this approach for a new perspective. Instead of focusing on how to take a picture of a coin then program a machine to grade that picture we instead measure & map a coin and base the grade on that result. There's a couple of methods available to measure reflectivity which could be used for PL, DPL designation I presume. What about luster? Is that a lower range of reflectivity? Or a measure of diffused reflectivity?
One gate could be needing a specimen coin for each series, year, mintmark on which subsequent coins are compared. This may not always be possible with the early series. As more "specimen" coins are mapped for a series you can identify standard deviations, revise the standard, and measure deviation from the standard. Sub-grading: strike, luster, a Prooflike scale, etc...
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5 minutes ago, bernard55 said:
Is the goal for a third party (dealer) to use it
Forgive me, but I was only thinking of it's use from the perspective of a TPG to automate their grading process prior to encapsulation. Or to provide that post-grading QA phase like Big Nub referred to. For the record, I've always preferred two-pass blind verification systems in data capture processes - as if y'all cared.
But as an application outside of the TPG environment is tempting. Like a tabletop box that could be used to grade a coin whether to sell it raw or determine likelihood of TPG results. I use an HP G4050 scanner at home currently which is about 20x14x5. The lighting is awful for coins but great for high quality photo & stamp renderings (4800x9600 dpi). It's older tech and soooo slow on the highest setting. If a coin grading box was created it'd have to be quicker and deeper to accommodate the multiple light sources - but not nearly as long or wide. Then you'd have the created issue that while you could patent the technology you couldn't guarantee that these same end users decide to use it to slab coins themselves with the grades the coin box comes to. Unless perhaps it's an enterprise application only and there's a user agreement where could they white label it. "Craw's Grading MS-67, powered by Bernard's CoinBOX".
I mean, that's a whole other thread I didn't even consider. Dang. Well, I'm off to open a shipment of coins I just got back today so I'll be pondering this. Thanks, man!
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The issue with the date is interesting. I feel like you could approach it from 2 angles, 1. the date is simply a design element (device) and should be graded as such, the machine doesn't need to "read" the date, or 2. the date determines the library of imagery to reference and grading parameters to work within, so the date needs to be read by the machine (or input by operator) to start the grading process.
If we approached the date as a design element then the grading across a whole series becomes standardized. But I feel like that's not the case in practice, high 90s % feeling. I know the Buffalo Nickel series best and the strike quality across years varies. Some year & mintmark combinations, 1925-S for instance, anecdotally get better grade results while lacking in overall strike depth/crispness. I believe I read a similar take on the Peace dollar series with the 1921 issue.
Now, I get that in practice that means we're taking into account the quality of dies used for these YYYY/MM combos. With a worn die the outcome is going to have a lower ceiling. Or maybe it was a mechanical setting that year that lowered the pressure in the press. I get it. But that certainly makes it harder to explain to a novice, or machine, why a MS-63 for one YYYY/MM does not share the same attributes as another YYYY/MM in the same series.
Or I could be wrong. Not the first time.
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1 hour ago, gmarguli said:
However, I'm not sure if there would be any cost or time savings.
To parrot those at the beginning of the industrial revolution, a computer doesn't get sick. It doesn't take vacation. It can work continuously (save for scheduled update intervals). It doesn't require salary nor benefits.
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Glad to see that you've found joy in this @bernard55! That patent they let expire is an interesting read. I might be busy with that the rest of the afternoon.
anyone know anything about these Martha Washington restrikes?
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So I learned something new today. I tend to steer away from restrikes but didn't know the requirement for designation. Does that also mean the many "Thaler restrikes" should carry a different terminology? Considering that original dies are probably long gone and the modern "restrikes" have different obverse details than the original (2 or 3) versions.
Precision of language is important so if they should be called differently I'll do so.