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German States BAMBERG Kreuzer KM# 14
1622 B

Copper

I can't help with value, though.

On 12/18/2019 at 9:05 PM, Conder101 said:

Probably uncirculated

haha  I just pictured that on the adjectival scale just to the right of AU.  It's like if you wanted to give a very nice slider a + grade but you don't want to be on the hook for saying it's technically uncirculated.  

21 hours ago, GilbertRowland said:

actual engraving of the character Moby  in the hair

Like, Moby the electronic music guy?  I don't know any other "character" by the name of Moby.  There is a 1975 10c Proof "No S" that would be valuable.  Or a 1975 5c Business Strike Misplaced D that's got a little juice.  

Based on the title, though, I think you might be referring to the dime.  Is this it?  They're extremely scarce.

https://coinweek.com/modern-coins/1975-no-s-roosevelt-dime-a-modern-rarity-worth-big-bucks/

2 hours ago, JKK said:

Given the Irish history of step dancing, I would have assumed they were the favorites and that everyone else could just smoke it.

I'll have to look into how far the Irish history goes back further than Riverdance when it came on the scene in '94.  Growing up close to Norfolk State University mentioning step teams elicits a completely different vision in my mind's eye though.  Stepping in the African-American community goes back to the early 1900's it seems.

18 hours ago, GilbertRowland said:

they tell us that they're not stepping no more

I, for one, lamented the decision by the government to do away with their Step Team.  I thought we had a chance to bring home gold in the next event.  Even if S. Korea has really been stepping it up (bad pun intended) with their pop factory expansion.

3 hours ago, Ernie Cleghorn said:

Thanks, i have been offered $100 for it but i think i will try to get it graded. 

I would recommend that as well.  You should net quite a bit more than $100 if you decide to sell it afterwards.

Congrats on the find!

13 hours ago, writer1102 said:

...and here's a link to the list of 1 Peso coins

That's some dramatic doubling on that stock image.  Thanks for sharing that link so I could see something new today.

4 minutes ago, writer1102 said:

It will give them a ballpark figure to base their collecting and grading skills on.

I understand this in a sense.  If you were establishing a visual grading library for somebody to use as reference you'd want a coin graded in each numerical grade.  Though it doesn't sound like that's the objective here.

So if you have a coin valued at $3.  And I'm presuming it's more because it's fairly common, not because it's underappreciated.  Why not spend the resources (time and money) to find a better specimen to get encapsulated for those who inherit them all to see?

@Erik salgado The top coin is the only small date shown.  What is the weight on it?

@Erik salgado  I would not recommend having that coin graded.  From the one picture it appears to be circulated condition and would cost more to grade than it's worth to sell.

Based on this coinweek article https://coinweek.com/coins/certified-coins-news/pedigrees-hoards-the-binion-hoard/ all of the hoard was purchased by one party and submitted to NGC for grading already.  How did you come across a sealed bag attributed to this hoard?  Does the provenance line up on that?

eh, forget what I said then.  Heather confirmed it exclusive.  So I guess our hosts will do nothing with CAC to counter to answer @erwindoc's original question.

"PCGS is proud to have this exclusive partnership which includes a connection to the CAC database, allowing us to cross reference coins to ensure legitimacy of both the holders and stickers.

From the press release:

"CAC Founder John Albanese offers his excitement for the new PCGS CAC Set Registry. “We’ve been talking for some time about starting an independent CAC registry, but we’re a small company and it’s a lot of work to build a proper registry program,” said Albanese. “PCGS is a much larger firm and they get more eyeballs on their website than we do, so we’re excited that they have agreed to launch the PCGS CAC Set Registry. We’re appreciative and they have my blessing.”

I'm fairly certain that the team at CAC has also approached the team at NGC about building out a similar set registry.  It makes sense for their business not to exclude either collector base and would be a bad move to make the CAC Set Registry an exclusive arrangement with PCGS.

I understand all the personal opinions on stickers but it looks like NGC has 2 options here:  1) declare CAC Set registries apply to the "better suited for a custom registry" response, or, 2) emulate the competition and create their own "NGC CAC Set Registry".  Option 2 is where my vote would go if I were in that meeting.

....then again, the 8th paragraph starts with, "The exclusive PCGS CAC Set Registry kicks off with nearly 100 different sets...." so maybe it is an exclusive arrangement and NGC just missed the boat on that opportunity.

18 hours ago, kbbpll said:

I think more fact than myth, but it would also be square holes back then since the nails were square, right? I believe they also used to nail or place coins in or above the door frames in houses. I can personally attest to remodeling the original door of my first house, and when I removed the plate around the knob, there was a 1930s cent inside. (Not holed though, and I put a shiny 1998 back in there with it.)

This kind of good luck thing goes back thousands of years. Many "caches" are found in the ground just inside habitations where the door was, placed as gifts to the house god.

There was also a good luck practice to put a coin at the corners of the house.  Under the roof, above the ceiling.  Attic is the word I'm looking for I think.

Is a profile on the that site (CS Sign In Prompt Page) tied to the NGC profile or completely separate?  I tried logging in but may not be remembering my password correctly.  When I click the "Join" button it redirects to the account management screen on NGC (here) which is already logged in.

5 hours ago, GilbertRowland said:

Hey umm it's a double triple 1970 small date..I'm going to repost with better pics..and I'm also going to post the 1991 triple that was in moms change yesterday..

I'm not seeing anything unusual about this coin.  Saw the other pics as well.  Keep hunting!

Not sure about you all but I report these everytime I see them.  Most often a different user but but always the same link to a .io domain (British Indian Ocean Territory).

I was returning to this discussion to say "nice find" since I don't think that was said earlier.  The coin itself had a mintage of 815,000.  That's about in line with average in the Liberty Seated half dime series.  So it wouldn't be considered a rarity, thus condition matters greatly.  As with most coins dug out of the ground, the numismatic value is greatly impaired due to the common "environmental damage" and subsequent "cleaning" that detectorists do after plucking it from the earth.  The vigorous thumb rub of the dirt, a bath in salt and/or vinegar, a toothbrush, what have you.  I think the best course of action when retrieving a coin from the ground would be a nice long soak (even a boil) to dislodge as much of the matrix as possible.  Just enough to determine if it's a rare coin or not before going further. 

Is that a KKK token front and center of that display of your findings?  Not that I wanted that phrase in my search history but the image is blurry and I couldn't find anything similar on the web. 

And are those all buttons on the right side or are there tokens/coins/medals mixed in there?

Ferric Chloride.  Apply with a soft bristled brush to the date area.  Once the date becomes visible through the acid dip the nickel into a neutralizing solution like water+baking soda. Repeat if necessary.

The area will become discolored though you will have revealed the date.

https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/MG-Chemicals/415-500ML?qs=X5SXQx2ktnMnr8o8z0VbqQ%3D%3D&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIy9KxrP775QIVgYbACh2USwNuEAQYAiABEgKzRfD_BwE

1 hour ago, Greenstang said:

I must have had a brain cramp the day I made the post about the 1949 Wheaties.

It is the 1959 Wheatie that is rare.  Surprised no one corrected me on it.

If you do a google search for "1949 wheat penny" the top 5 results are from Etsy.  I'm going to hold your post yesterday personally responsible for this. 

11 minutes ago, Paleo82 said:

with a toothbrush

With coins any action across the metal, even a simple wipe with a soft cloth, a rub of the thumb, etc... will leave small marks and/or disrupt the surface "luster".  This change of the condition leads to the designation "cleaned" and reduces the collectible value.  How much it's reduced varies.

Unfortunately not much additional value to that coin.  It's easily available in mint state condition and the reverse has a large scratch on it.  Intrinsically it's primarily copper.  1 copper penny contains
$0.01713 of copper as of the time of this post.

http://coinapps.com/copper/penny/calculator/

Agreed @VKurtB.  It's interesting how closely the collectibles market matches up to technology when it comes to early adoption pricing. 

Anybody recall a few years back when Stephen Strasburg's rookie cards were going for insane amounts of money?  One sold in excess of $40k and I doubt it would get close to that number these days.  Granted, it's a 1/1 in a red border but <yawn>

https://www.aol.com/2010/07/20/stephen-strasburg-rookie-card-auction-bad-investment/

It's easy.  I would suggest doing the "Online" Submission form instead of the "Fillable PDF" version.

https://www.ngccoin.com/account/my-submissions/

It will calculate the pricing for you so there's none of those "surprise" fees @BlakeEik describes.  The only difficulty is when you get to the end to print the invoices it will only print 1 then give you the option to "return to site" or something else, "option b" for lack of recall.  Neither of which brings you to the next invoice that needs to be printed.  So if you have multiple invoices in the same submission remember to use the back command on your browser to get back to the order screen and choose the other invoices to print.

Once it's all printed the only thing you need to do is sign the form, add your payment method, and package everything up for transit.

Blake brings up the $10 per invoice fee which I personally dislike.  This means unless you really must have that coin encapsulated now you should hold aside a few until you have enough to make it worthwhile.  It's your choice how you want to spend your money, though, just a suggestion.

I'm glad you're around @VKurtB.  Others too, of course.  But you often offer the dissenting point of view and it saves me the time of writing similar observations.  Much easier to just hop around dropping hearts on your posts.