Ray, USMC

This is very impressive information. I would definitely, in a good way, agree with you in that you appear to be a geek.  

Because I dislike the whole stapling thing I have always used non-pvc flips because of stapling and all the other reasons you listed above. My opinion is you are making a good choice.

Thank you . I found this extremely informative as well as interesting.

Congratulations on your award and the celebration of your life with your family. On both counts, effort is rewarded.

4 hours ago, zadok said:

yes the coins u r describing r all irish coins of the ireland republic era pre decimal....this is commonly referred to as the barnyard series having domestic farm animals n a bird, salmon, rabbit, dog added in for good measure....it is an 8 coin series, not all 8 were issued for all years....the denominations were farthing, half pence, pence, 3 pence, 6 pence, shilling, florin n half crown...none of those u listed have great value...the 1940 n 1941 coins have silver value....u can obtain more information simply by searching on the internet under ireland barnyard series or ireland coins....

Thank you so much for your help. I was not looking for value only Identification. For a long time I have been putting coins I inherit or are a part of estate lots and such in flips in a binder. Some dating back to this early 1800. Most I don't know what country they belong to. Thanks for helping me out . So many good people on this forum.

The 1942 has only the eire on the obverse. I hope this all makes sense to you. Again thank for your help.

The obverse on the 1942 has the date above the flat part of the picture. the reverse is the same and is similar in size to a us half dollar. The others (hope I read these right) 1950 3d ruel , 1959 6d ruel,1954 1s scIwns, 1940 2s floren and a 1941 2s6d coroin I probably have the letters off as I am not sure the are English letters. Are these Irish coins as well?

The top picture is exactly what I have only the date is 1942 and very good but not as good as the one in the top photo although it is darker but great detail. Do you collect these ? Is this a good date or very common. I have 5 or 6 more that appear to be silver and go from small to large with the reverses of a whale a deer I think and other wildlife if you like I can give you the dates and denomination with each creature on them. The obverses are all the same as your top picture. I have many foreign coin which I do not collect and have no idea about. I am going to try to find someone to help me learn to post pictures. I have tried twice and it hasn't worked for me yet. Thank you for your kind help.The 1942 is the only copper one. The others appear silver and some are the size of Morgan dollars.  

Congratulation.

CorrI have no idea why my pictures never load right. My intentions were but technology for me is not very good. Please accept my apologies. 

The coin has a rooster or some kind of bird on it kind of fancy reverse. I don't have a picture of the reverse but if you need one I will attempt to take one.

Is this an Irish coin ? I honestly have no idea.

I have submitted both ways to NGC and my experience has always been a lower grade and often times a return as not eligible for crossover when they are still in the holder. I have had better luck cracking them out and sending in as a raw coin. The grade outcome is about the same meaning they always come back from NGC with a lower grade, sometimes very disappointing outcome. I do it because my personal preference is true grades from NGC. Since I always buy the coin and not the holder I accept the grade given by NGC.  

I have been collecting large cents for a very long time and I have never seen this before. As you can see I have examined this coin at very high magnification. I cannot find any marking that would indicate hammering another coin into it. I cannot find any marks that indicate pressing. I also think that if this is transfer corrosion the wreath from the reverse would also be visible even if faint. I find it curious that the highest point from the reverse imprinted on the highest point of the obverse without any other part of the reverse showing ? Thank you for your input. I look forward to others opinion as I am at a loss for an explanation.

Typo correction version, sorry

I am of the opinion that you could present a good argument for both sides. I also believe people tend to accept things they feel they cannot change or think they can't change. You are quite right about this subject will be debated until the change is forgotten and business goes on as usual. One thing I know for sure is that the world of collecting has come a long way since I started collecting in 1957. Now more often than not collectors will know better what they are purchasing. Certified coins from the only 2 grading companies I have faith in are first, NGC and a distant 2nd PCGS. I started collecting certified coins when NGC started out. In my collections I have only NGC certified coins and I have a relatively high number of certified coins. Some of my favorite coins I own are raw and I am very happy with them. For me, my collections have, and always will be,  about history, artistry and the coin itself. The holder is a wonderful means of knowing for sure subtle differences in coins like varieties and disputed grades. In the old days it was hard to know for sure what you were buying. Now there is the all knowing Google and third party grading services.

Thank you for your input I love talking about coins and enjoy comments on my "opinions"

I have not posted here for awhile because I felt I previously stirred up a hornets nest. This post may be of help with the problem of crossover or regrades. I very recently decided to have a brand X certified coin, ( 1839 N-8 Petite head large cent ) brand X graded AU50. Not being a big fan of crossover due to never having any good outcome from it I decided to crack out the coin and submit it to NGC. The coin came back correctly attributed but graded as VF30. My opinion is it is under graded but I want to go on record as saying I would prefer to have a true grade from NGC than a higher graded coin from brand X. I hope this makes sense in some way to those who doubt NGC is by far the superior grader with much stricter guidelines and superior graders. Again I want to specify that this is my opinion and only my opinion and I don't want anyone to be offended by my opinions. I do enjoy spirited comments and welcome everyone's opinion. I do have competitive sets but I only compete with my own goals therefore I only have NGC graded coins. Your thoughts are welcome and appreciated.  

Thank you Jackson64 for your comment.

I never meant that anyone was obliged to agree with me. I also do not consider myself a rahrah coin guy. I think I am just an avid collector since long before there were grading companies. I suppose I am loyal to NGC because I like consistency in everything I do. Again this is a personal preference. Because the coin is more important than the holder my entire collection consists of only about 1% graded coins. All of which are NGC and that is because I believe NGC employs the best graders in the industry. I do not expect anyone to agree with what my opinion is which is I said MY opinion. My collecting has always been about history and art. I only collect US coins but because I used to purchase coins at yard sales and flea markets I ended up with many old foreign coins. If we want to allow inclusion then perhaps we should change the registry name to NGC/PCGS registry. As I have said before I am in no danger of winning an award and my participation in the registry was motivated by a desire to share the beauty of coins I have with other collectors. If the end game is solely to win a competition then I guess all grading companies coins should be allowed to compete ? When I posted this journal it was intended to see how other collectors felt and it has done just that. I will say that so far I have not seen enough consistent evidence to change my opinion although I enjoy a spirited debate. Again my comments are motivated by my opinion and not intended to anger anyone. I have the utmost respect for all collectors and welcome all comments to help me understand why NGC bent to pressure to accept PCGS coins.

Thank you to all who have made great comments on this journal. 

Mike, thank you for the kind words. I , like you, have learned so much about history and the fine art of sculpting dies for minting coins. I too did not join the registry in the hope of winning prizes but rather to share coins with like minded collectors. These comments were meant only to give collectors pride and support for their chosen collections. If we all had an abundance of money then we could afford to have the very best coins which in my opinion would be NGC graded. The competitive collections that are at the top set levels have , what appears to be, some investment sets. I have no problems with that. I also have no problems with showcasing sets that have PCGS & NGC coins together. I just plain like the NGC registry to support NGC collectors in competition a little bit better. I am in no danger of winning any awards either way but I do enjoy sharing sets with other collectors.

Thank you for giving me food for thought. Have a great New Year.

I believe Augustus 70 has made good points which help me prove my point. As fo the point of a more comprehensive database I would have go on record as simply stating that the database is still out there just not in one place. Searching and obtaining coins a collector wants or needs has never been an easy task. If you want coins that have a meaningful and legitimate grade then you need to have NGC graded coins. This is why they are so well respected in all markets. Taking a chance on crossover coins from PCGS is risky and the only reason it does not maintain or receive the same grade in NGC is that NGC is smart enough to send coins back and states, does not cross, which is a gift and lets you know that your coin is over graded in the PCGS holder. If collectors will abandon PCGS and flock to NGC then why let the competitive playing field be leveled ? The integrity of the NGC Registry should be maintained even if it is not a popular decision to only allow NGC coins to be considered in competitive sets. The coin is the most important part of the equation.

Thank you for your comments. 

15 hours ago, gherrmann44 said:

Let me start my post by saying that I prefer NGC coins and when I submit coins for grading, they all go to NGC. I like their holders, their grading standard, and their customer service.

I started with NGC's registry in 2008 mainly because I didn't understand or like PCGS's registry format. Secondly, I felt that NGC was more inclusive by allowing both NGC and PCGS United States and world coins in their registry. When NGC refused world coins they were all removed from the competitive registry. The reasoning was that world coins were much more labor intensive to verify for inclusion. I understood this reasoning and though unhappy, went along with it. Subsequently, I seem to remember posts suggesting a future PCGS purge of US coins and NGC said that they had no plans for it at that time.

The most recent PCGS ban included US coins but with a twist and that was the grandfathering of all existing PCGS coins in the NGC registry. With one foot still in the door one can almost make the argument that this return to PCGS inclusion was inevitable.

The following is in part what I believe caused this reversal. First, and perhaps most important is that in the marketplace PCGS coins are much more respected. As such, they typically command higher premiums. I don't like it but the market environment favoring PCGS coins can't be denied. I don't know whether it is clever or more effective marketing or just a rabid PCGS following. Furthermore, it seems as if all the rare and visually appealing US coins go to PCGS for grading. This also means that far more coins are cracked out of NGC holders then are PCGS holders. This has made nice NGC coins much scarcer in the marketplace. Therefore, if I am buying the coin and not the holder, then my coin is most likely slabbed in a PCGS holder. If I pay a premium for PCGS coins and crack them out, and if NGC assigns a more conservative grade, I risk losing my shirt just to make them eligible for NGC's registry. This makes no sense. In fact I did this for a handful of my world coins and the best I got is the same grade. Most of the PCGS world coins I crossed went down a grade. If I can't find NGC holdered coins in the grade and eye appeal I want, I will and have become frustrated. Most of the upgrades for my competitive type-set have been PCGS holdered coins and since I could not enter them into my set I uploaded upgraded pictures onto existing coins. I know that this is a work around but the coins I bought will never have to be upgraded. 

Now to grandfather some coins and not continue allowing PCGS coins in the registry is more unfair than this simple reversal which I like because now all my pictures and more importantly my coins are in-sync again. Yes I understand the rational of this post but for very selfish reasons I like the reversal and I wish NGC had never banned United States PCGS slabbed coins to begin with. Gary  

I would have to disagree on one point which is in my opinion, PCGS, on the whole, is NOT more respected in the market just less money and easier to obtain higher graded coins. I will admit I like coin928s proposal as that could make the field a little more equal as PCGS coins cannot compare to NGC coins. Not meaning to offend and just stating my opinion based on my 50 plus years of collecting.

I certainly agree that in the end it is the coin that counts. The display or the holder is not up for consideration when you need or want a specific coin for you collection. My collection is 100% NGC because I am extremely fond of the standards for grading NGC has. I am not belittling PCGS or collectors that have them but you have to agree the grades they place on coins is not of the same quality as an NGC grade. I completely with the respect NGC has for it's collectors which is another reason I have difficulty accepting the admission of PCGS coins in competition on an NGC Registry platform. Showing is fine with me competing is like comparing apples to lemons. I have been collecting NGC coins since the companies beginning and this is the first year for me to have competitive sets. Prior to this year I was an avid researcher and admiring others collections. Even if I was not in any competition I still would disagree with adding PCGS to the competitive arena. If I was a PCGS competitor I would oppose NGC coin acceptance equally as much and not understand any better than I do NGCs acceptance of PCGS. I guess in the bigger picture it really does not matter except to die hard collector that chooses one or the other.  

It is, as always, true that many people on both sides will not agree. If we look at it in it's entirety we can ask the question why dedicate your collecting loyalty to one grading company or the other if they don't demonstrate a willingness to support loyal collectors of there brand. The whole registry concept and creation was done with the right intentions, I believe, but brand loyalty for the company you choose should warrant stronger customer support. I think the change to allow PCGS coins to compete was a decision made based on the amount of pressure placed on the decision makers. This site, and the competitions, are driven and based around NGC and it's numerous dedicated NGC collectors.

Thank you for your input.