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There have always been and are today sellers that attempt to deceive buyers that may not be informed; be it coins or vacum cleaners.   TPG's have helped to level the playing field at first.  But for whatever the reason TPG grading has changed from when they started.  CACG  is simply resetting back to the earlier standards.   So I see is as CACG is a return to the consistency that TPG'S had at inception.   Now will the marketplace like that is the question. 

... I do not think I can be a part of anything that sees nothing wrong with this ... if there is any truth to this whatever, it bodes ill for the hobby, ten and twenty years hence ...
(Reminiscent of the 2001 movie, "Training Day," where Denzel Washington turns to Ethan Hawke, and says, in substance, Forget about everything you learned in the police academy.) 
This is one of the reasons why prices I saw in the Red and Blue Books, various newspapers and sheets, as I discovered early on, had no bearing in New York City.  From the 1960's on, the city's dealers always marched to the beat of a different drummer.  One of the questions assiduously avoided on the Forum is:  "What do you reasonably hope to get for the coin you bought when it comes time to sell?"
Fortunately, the inexorable rise in gold has effectively wiped out whatever mistakes I made or misgivings I may have had in compiling one of the finer collections of certified, century-old, French gold coins.  🐓 

Hi all,
  If you're a fan of the early commemorative coin series please check out my book chapters on the NNP.
Here is the link to my page:
https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/booksbyauthor/551821
 

...the only info i have in my notes...
 
war memorial for durban, south africa...
great seal for england...
trophy for king presented to cadet corp of british empire...
british empire exhibition medals 1923, 1924...
king's trophy medal r.n.a....
nobel medals...
mond medals...
egypian coin obverses king fuad...
irag coin obverse king feisul...
 
...he also worked pre ww1 in london n post ww1 in paris from 1914-1924 for various medal design studios...bout all i have....

...ill look in my notes if any other coin designs, i personally never tried tracking any his medal designs...let u know....

Mike, I absolutely will not buy coins from this seller. I do believe they called themselves Canyon City Coin before the name change. All of their photos are incredibly juiced just like Auction Kings photos which look the same as these. All of their offerings have that black background with a cameo looking contrast. I can guarantee the coin in hand will not look like it does in the photos.
I located this coin in seconds on an eBay search. Here's the deal. It is listed as 1878 ULTRA DMPL * PRISTINE+ GEM BU. My rule of thumb, the more descriptors used, the more full of BS the listing is. The coin should speak for itself. Here is the other thing. After taking a quick one minute look at the NGC census, there are ZERO graded in DPL, and only 5 graded in PL. The pictured coin is not a proof. It does not have the same sharpness in the hair, or shields on the obverse and reverse to be a proof so you would be buying a non proof with questionable marking or scratches that could be in the blacked out fields and I seriously doubt that the coin in hand would actually have that contrast to get it a PL grade (forget DPL as there are none graded at that designation). So the sellers description is deceiving to begin with. While the overall details seem to put the coin in uncirculated territory, if it is cleaned, think UNC Details and the commensurate discount the coin would end up selling for. An unimpaired MS 60 is listed in the price guide for $400. Your coin in UNC Details would end up selling for low AU or XF pricing if it is graded details so figure around $150-$200 in that case. And you would be out the cost to have it graded. I would only risk the $200 to cover my you know what in worst case scenario, so that is my opinion. If you can, stop bidding and let someone else get it and let it be their problem.
And that is why I buy nothing from that seller.

I suppose you could say my parents were atheists. That's why I turned out so good.  🤣

... percy... you mean Percival??? Enquiring minds want to know! 

...percy would be proud of u, one of my favorites...nice even toning as well

...percy would be proud of u, one of my favorites...nice even toning as well

Not in my opinion, no.

Absolutely nothing is lost if we treat others the way we wish to be treated.  The manner in which you are treated does not matter.  Set your standard high, and keep your counsel. 

...there r just certain things u dont buy from photographs...diamonds, oriental rugs, paintings, certain high grade coins, exotic women...the proof is in the pudding, seeing n touching can not be artificially duplicated, at least not yet...same with empirically grading coins from a scan, just not something our current technology can do....

...not sure that the tide is flowing that way as strong as it has been in the past....

...nope, he is too far gone....

...amen...u have hammered the nail on its head...welcome to all the trash we have to endure here...u can disregard ur last thought, he never has anything of value to add...u r talking to a walking classical text book example from the DMS-5 hall of fame....

...not sure that the tide is flowing that way as strong as it has been in the past....

...amen...u have hammered the nail on its head...welcome to all the trash we have to endure here...u can disregard ur last thought, he never has anything of value to add...u r talking to a walking classical text book example from the DMS-5 hall of fame....

...fyi...the ANS has been deaccessioning articles from their holding the past few months as well on ebay....

Comeback:  I was made aware only recently that NGC's submissions are made in one office, unlike PCGS.  I happen to agree with you; if I did not, I would not have had the unmitigated gall of weighing in.  (In the absence of emojis depicting lying prostrate or genuflection, I give you this:   )

Blasphemy! Burn 'em at the stake in front of the Cathedral - just like Esmeralda !
TPGs are Sacred. They do not have an obligation to explain their decisions to anyone or anything.

Nuffing wrong with that ! I’d rather be surrounded by bunch law abiding concealed carry gun owners,  than to be in a show with only couple of security or cops walking around … shows are not Federal buildings 🤷‍♂️ which you should have right exercise your conceal carry rights … at the gun show while everyone handguns were being unloaded as per the police officer at the door , if you were to go into the bathroom look at garbage can full of cut off zip ties 😂 guys/gals just loaded them right back up and continued on at the gunshow 

...some of us still do....

I am inclined to agree. There are ways to authenticate coins today that were not available years ago. Incidentally, when's the last time a TPGS defiled a coin in such manner to prove it was genuine?