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That's not the part of the coin that is polished out.

Looks like I need to visit the bank again.

This is a color change that is easier to see. It is not due to the same cause; however, the answer is the same. What do you think of when you see a color change in the silver-gray range on a copper coin?

If NGC says it is PL it is. Rev. looks Cameo.

You must shudder at all my posted images. However, photo's are a fast way to get everyone on track. Saves lots of time when you don't need to explain what machine doubling looks like to twenty individual students!

Interesting. On my examples, the letters are raised (sunken into die). The marks inside the letters are inside the letters (lower) so they would also be into the die but not as deep. They would be first to be affected by any polishing.

Everyone should see black, green, gray, and orange-brown in the image. Otherwise, posting about an off-color, out of focus image ADDS NOTHING to this discussion. Examining coins out in the "wild" is often done under poor lighting conditions. I advise everyone to practice viewing coins in good and poor environments using several different types of light including sunlight. Furthermore, I suggest folks have their vision checked. Many collectors, especially men, suffer from color blindness making it hard to see changes of color. For added points on the quiz: What does the color green indicate on copper coins?

Why is color important for coin authentication? If you were examining a copper coin as this (10X) and saw lead colored areas what would come to mind?

Alexandria VA then Arlington. First coin shop I ever went to. He taught me coin shop etiquette when I offered more money than he did for a coin being sold. Joe sold all types of coins and had layaway.

Oh my, have we touched a nerve? News flash: You can do things your way and I'll do things my way. Over the decades, I have it on excellent feedback (in the fantasy world you insist exists) that my methods work. Wink, wink.

If you say so, it must be true.

You asked me this: " Is that how you instruct students in a grading class, to only look at 10% of one side of the coin and ignore the rest as it is not necessary?? My answer: Yes, yes, and sometimes. Wait until I start posting my quiz. Then read my answer to the folks who wish to see the entire coin.

Ebay, coin show dealers.

Hummm...I'm going to guess that these coins provided the gold used to strike the Saudi coins.

I find this EXTREMELY HARD TO BELIEVE: "The pieces are nothing more than early coins off new dies." Because: They look NOTHING like any 1964 business strike cent I've ever seen. The fact that many were in the possession of Ms. Adams adds to the fact that they are something different.

1. Grandfather 2. Joe Gallo - VA coin dealer 3. Breen, but I haven't read it completely.

Trust the results but verify. The professionals at the grading service (even the young rookies) are there for a reason. One radio icon explains it this way. Tens of thousands of folks play football yet a very small percent are good enough to be pros. The key word here is "Perhaps" as used in this sentence: Perhaps this poster has no idea what goes on at NGC or any other TPGS for that matter. Always remember that much of what you read on chat forms is:

Keep everything. There are collectors who value the containers and the condition of the containers. When you sell, most dealers will trash the stuff and keep the coins. That's a good thing of us pack-rats.

The image is not the best; however, the silver (zinc) color next to the "D" makes me think it's a common plating issue. The OP should be congratulated for his attempt at education. Next time I'll suggest he post the coin's date. As for showing the entire coin, IMO that is not necessary in most cases. I don't normally look at the edge or reverse of a coin with an RPM. Only exception is if I am looking for die markers.

You would think so but IMO not needed as MS-60 covers any MS coin down to the most beat up,baggy thing you can imagine that goes into the "cull" bucket.

I'll try. Commercial grading is an attempt to put a value on a coin. So today, many commercial graded Mint State coins are not. In an attempt to satisfy "purists" who are only concerned with a coin's actual and observable condition, some think that an assigned grade of say - AU-63 would bring these two groups closer in agreement. IMO, it will not happen because the folks doing the buying, selling, and grading are fine with the status quo. They are all in basic agreement and they control all segments of the market. They made things this way. The only way to bring all sides together is for everyone to strictly grade the coins by their actual condition and let the market makers price them. Then a grade of AU-63 will mean something.

Probably not a good time to be posting "Laura" jokes. I hear she is not herself at this time. She has left her "mark" on the industry and hopefully she'll be OK.

He was also the founder of NGC. So what. Since a CAC sticker is another opinion that the coin is graded correctly by COMMERCIAL STANDARDS, an exclusively CAC Registry Set is a good idea. Therefore, a set made up entirely of CAC slabs might tend to be ranked higher than another set. Don't you get it, it's a game. They once called it "whist." the fellow with the higher grade Large cent won. Now the fellow with the highest combination of grades in his set wins.

Thanks for the reply. I'll look forwarding to reading more. However, this is puzzling: "There is clear synergy between our brands and what we provide to the market. This indicates that you are either employed by PCGS or CAC. Which is it? The fact that you don't post much indicates you are a very busy VIP. Care to come out of the closet? OK, your reply supports what I hear (and posted) that a CAC sticker on a PCGS coin will generally bring a higher price than that coin in any other slab. Many folks think that PCGS is the #1 TPGS - possibly for that reason alone. Many folks including myself think they are #2 when all things are considered. Nevertheless, I'd want my coin in the slab with the most potential profit too. I wonder what ""PCGS is looking forward to working with Albanese to further develop the Set Registry program." actually means. Sounds like a bunch of "advertising fluff" to me. In fact, I should think it would be a good idea for anyone to look forward to speaking with JA if they were going to use the CAC name on a Registry offering. IMO, Mr. Charville came up with another great marketing idea? Maybe JA will design a new pink CAC sticker for the new PCGS set.

1. "PCGS boasts about how they qualify for beans more than any other TPG." IS THIS TRUE? Do They? 2, CAC is a popular and successful company. Do you agree that establishing a CAC only registry might just be a good business decision? That might be similar to a TPGS printing several different label designs for the same date silver eagle coin. Collectors will want one of each. Good business decision. 3. Do you believe that CAC evaluates coins differently from each service? 4. I have heard that the same exact coin will usually bring more money graded (from top to bottom): PCGS CAC NGC CAC PCGS NGC Other TPGS Have you seen this?