GoldFinger1969

Thanks, Olympics ! So basically all the coins after 1929, as I suspected. I forgot about the 2 mint-mark coins with 1931 having 2 versions and 1930 ONLY having the San Fran coin (no Philly coin).

Isn't it amazing that the location in a vault in the Philly Mint determined whether or not said bags could be accessed....reach the public....and then survive to today ? Thanks for the heads-up on the 1931-D mint mark being part of the Fab 5. I could be wrong, but I think the last major hoard of Saints would be Gillio's 1908 No Mottos in the late-1990's. I know a bunch were found in the early-1980's. But by now, I would think even smaller, technologically-deficient overseas banks would have found any stray bags or hidden coins in their vaults or holding areas.

Thank You, mis-construed Eagles Book for the Double Eagles book. Not to nitpick, but if the demand for smaller coins hit in 1932, why didn't it "shake loose" alot of the presumably "bagged and vaulted" earlier year Eagles ? Any ideas ?

I would just be careful about unnecessarily banning or suspending folks. For instance, "Political Posts" is tough to avoid if you are discussing a rise in the gold price in relation to the election or post-election happenings. Personally, I think the members here -- admittedly shrunk from years ago -- have done a good job of "self-policing" and keeping on topic (I know I try ). If a post runs afoul of Dena's post or NGC's TOS, then in order: Delete the offending post or part of the post that is offensive or violates TOS (no need to entirely discard a well-though out lengthy post for 1 bad sentence). Inform the individual via a PM or a public post that they had a violation and avoid such in the future. Suspension for repeated infractions. Banned I would hope the NGC Moderators would use discretion and reach out to any offending parties, except where there has been GROSS violations and WANTON disregard for the rules. As an example....I am a well-respected member of another non-coin forum....I've been posting there for years....I'm well-known to most of the Mods and posters and have met a few personally.....yet recently, a new very young Moderator who didn't know me suspended me for a single sentence that was intended as humour in a lengthy post that got lots of positive reviews (my suspension was reversed by the veteran Mods).

Is it true we have never cured a disease caused by a virus ? If so, then what kind are cured -- those caused by bacteria or germs ?

I think the tell will be this: the virus isn't leading off the news stations and those stupid "counts" for U.S. and Global deaths/infections are no longer like a scores ticker running at the bottom of ESPN or a football game..

Thanks for that post, Roger, if it was in the book I forgot reading it. (1) Amazing that the Europeans could have a "gold standard" but it only applied to bars weighing many pounds. Like having currency no smaller than $100 bills. (2) Any reason why demand for the 1932 Eagles spiked so high ? The Depression was bottoming here (I think the recovery had started earlier in Europe as they debased their currencies) but I am at a loss as to the huge increase in demand and survival for 1932 Indians relative to 1931, 1930, 1929.

How do you like the book, Olympics ? What's the 5th of the "Fab Five" coins you reference ? You don't mean 1933, do you ? I presume the other 4 are 1929, 1930, 1931, and 1932.

If the dealers are cut back...if your friends and others don't show.....and if there are burdensome procedures to access the bourse and see items from dealers....it's going to be self-defeating. Again, it starts with the dealers. If they suffer a critical dropoff -- 20% ? 30% ? 50% ? -- can they put the show on from a financial perspective ? Maybe OCCC has cut their rental prices, I have no idea, but I have to believe if the COST structure is the same as 2020 but enough dealers (and attendees) don't show, it won't work $$$-wise.

I'm strongly leaning to just saving up more $$$ for 2022. Wouldn't be as much fun without seeing all my friends at CT.

Collapsed or ruined economies, devestating wars on their home territory, hyper-inflation, looting of national treasuries -- they are all commonplace in the last 125 years for Europe and most of Central/South America. Not so for the United States.

Interesting thought....I guess the overhead and costs/breakevens for a show like the monthly Parsippany NJ show are small compared to the bigger ones like FUN. I think someone here said that you're out $1,000 with hotel, travel, table fees, etc....before you do 1 single transaction.

There's talk of Long Beach not surviving ? I figured smaller shows and maybe regionals might not make it back...but I thought that The Big Three -- FUN, Long Beach, and ANA/Chicago -- would all make it. I know Central States has lost lots of attendance and dealers over the years. That would be the greater threat IMO for the regionals. Be interesting to see how Bay State and Whitman look in a few years.

We could have a vaccine in a few months. Or an effective treatment.

On the fence now....if lots of folks here and ATS go, I might head down.

These security features on new bullion coins are VERY interesting. Would seem to really raise the bar for counterfeiters -- you just can't make a pico-laser with spare parts. Takes serious $$$$.

x 1,000,000 !!!

Chapter 6....this is a FASCINATING chapter that Roger included; I re-read it this past weekend. It takes a snapshot as of December 31, 1933 to gauge how many of the entire production run of Saint-Gaudens Double Eagles -- just under 70,300,000 -- MAY have survived based on the KNOWN destruction quantities. Obviously, that's a ceiling and doesn't mean that all unaccounted for Saints still exist. But I think it does point to the possibility of more hordes possibly being out there or just large numbers of people holding some coins and being unaware of it. Or even technology-deficient banks or central banks having a few bags in long-forgotten vaults or holding areas. Page 603 gives the breakdown: just under 27,000,000 Saints were melted down, leaving about 43 million potentially available.....subtracting another 3.7 million known survivors and you get just under 40 million Saints missing and/or unaccounted for. The real fun would be if there were any hordes for the 1929-32 years. Even a few hundred or even few dozen could really cause sparks in the market.

People have held it for 2,000 years so they feel comfortable holding it another 20-40 years. It's easily portable and you can get a nice stash of value in a suitcase.

Update Time....Anybody recently purchase and/or read this book ?

I have some IOM silver Saint Michaels coins.

Mainland Chinese want gold bullion or the like, not numismatics with an American flavor. But Hong Kong Chinese and other Asians might be more open to Saints and Liberty's and others that sell at a premium to bullion content.

Interesting, thanks Roger !

Guestimates, I would call them. Gonna check the numbers later in Bowers' book.

Excellent bullet-points, Roger.....my understanding from my economic treatises from 40 years ago was that farmers, small businessmen, frontiersmen -- they all held gold in various forms as a form of savings. Distrust of banks was very high away from the East Coast and big cities. Survival rates of Liberty DE's would imply greater circulation among the masses, no ?