GoldFinger1969

No security cameras in the 1930's.....was it possible for 1 person to access the vault ? Or only 1 person if it was a high-ranking person ? Otherwise, I would think you'd need 2 people each with their separate keys. They had to have had some security precautions. I would think very few (1 or 2) of the top people could access the Vault solo....everybody else you figure needed the cooperation of a 2nd person with a 2nd key or something. At least that's what I would have thought the Mint had in place. I can't believe that they wanted any 1 person with a key to a Masterlock and chain to be able to access hundreds of millions of dollars in gold coins. If any 1 person working the Mint could access the Vault, then I'm surprised there weren't more thefts !

Why would eliminating Dressel's liability have anything to do with the shortage on the Mint records ? It's short 250 Double Eagles regardless...only question is if the government wants to ask Dressel for $5,000.....right ? I guess Dressel just ASSUMED no gold was missing when he assumed command. I don't think they did an audit before he came in and miscounted.....he just took the previous guy's word for it. But I guess counting thousands of bags of gold was pretty time consuming and they couldn't spend the time on it.

Yup, I misspoke.....Americans were KO'd from holding gold for the most part, but we still had a modified gold standard and it was re-asserted at Bretton Woods after the War.

Bank of England was THE CENTRAL BANK for virtually the entire 1800's.

Darn....it's a real interesting topic. And from my perspective it related to all the BS involving the 1933's.....SOB's know "for a fact" that all 1933's were "stolen" even though the gold books balanced. Balanced...by the same clowns who said the books balanced while missing 250 of the 1928 DE's. ....... 4,000 views ? I'm not surprised. Your book is outstanding....lots of interesting topics to discuss (the 1907 HR, 1933 DEs, 1928 theft)...and your chiming in to give the experts POV adds to the thread. Great job, Roger ! I wonder how many MORE people will buy your book who aren't aware of it unless they scan HA as opposed to Amazon. If HA is smart, they'll email everyone who has bought, watched, or punched up a search on their site for a Saint-Gaudens DE and let them know about the availability of the book.

That's weird: exchanges (gold-for-gold) OK until April 5th but net payouts (I guess gold for paper or bullion ?) a week later ? But as you say, nothing was really fixed at that time. FWIW, I would love for you to post here or on another (new) thread about the theft of the 1928 DE's or more about the plan to store a bag or two each of the various mintages. Even just posting any discussions posted as letters, if that's all there is. Read your write-up on the 1928 DE's posted at HA and it was great. Just a thought........

Thanks RWB.....you wonder what was going on in the minds of the mint personnel.....we're going off the gold standard...no more gold payouts...no more coin exchanges......and they still are striking/minting hundreds of thousands of 1933's into April and May !!!?? Don't tell me someone there didn't say "What are the odds we are gonna have to melt all these down in a few months or years...whatta waste !!!!??"

Thanks Roger...I re-read the section on the 1933's and it was alot clearer the 2nd (or 3rd !) time I read it. I understand now how 43 1933's could be available as early as March 4th (when Hoover was still president for a few hours !). Do you know what is the correct date when coin-for-coin exchanges ended ? Was it April 5th or April 12th ? Any reason why a month after the March 7th letter authorizing coin-for-coin someone at the Mint or Treasury would have said that even this would no longer be permitted ? Is there an actual document on this that follows FDR's EO? I would think that once we went off the gold standard and it was apparent that no more gold coins (or at least Double Eagles) would be minted that the 1933's would be collectors items as the last one's ever struck (at least for many many years). So you'd think they'd allow coin-for-coin not only for collectors but for any of the public who wanted a 1933 (or other year) using their 5 coin allottment.

Find the 2 bags yet ? Seriously, any thoughts on that discrepancy ?

On Page 567...the total "delivered" for the 1933 Saints sums to 446,000...shouldn't it be 445,500 or 445,543 ?

I thought it stopped after the 1907 HR for some reason. All I know is I can't see the lettering on any of my graded Saints. And I thought for some reason that was one of the selling points of the 2009 UHR -- they had the technology to do edge lettering without it slowing down the process a ton. I remember your early chapters talking about how cumbersome doing the edge lettering was on the 1907's. I guess I just assumed it stopped after that. Guess I was wrong.........

Sotheby's/Stacks 2002 Catalog for the 1933 Saint: Does anybody have this catalog from the sale of the 1933 ? On Page 12 , it references "E. Pluribus. Unum" on the edge of the coin. Is this correct ? Roger's book says that the edge lettering stopped after the 1907 UHRs/HR's. Is this a catalog error ? I thought edge lettering stopped with the Saints after 1908.

Interesting topic, after reading Roger's spectacular book on Saint-Gaudens DE's I'm a bit biased, but I also have respect for Weinman. Interesting that both of their obverse designs continue today on our national gold and silver coins.vl

I remember the guys from the 1970's and 1980's who were the REAL gold experts .....Jim Dines....Richard Russell.....Howard Ruff....Robert Prechter.....etc...etc..etc.

I can't believe anybody could be dumb enough to keep valuable coins -- or their MOST valuable -- in their shop unless in a decent area. Most of the places torched the last week or so were troubled areas.

Before my time, what happened, Conder ?

Just looked at a 2015 newsletter.....there's a 3" box for Saint-Gaudens prices. This is what I saw a few years ago, for some reason, they must not have been including it quarterly (or monthly) back in 2009 (the other newsletters I scanned were from that year).

Thanks Mark....I'll keep looking. But their "Quarterly Sequence" says that "Quarterly 3" in March/June/Sept/Dec will have Double Eagles through 1907. I see nothing for 1907-Later in the 3 quarterlies and the word "Saints" isn't mentioned (this was in March 2009; maybe Saints got their own separate newsletter back then and they are included today, I don't know). Anyway, I have about another 50 old ones to look through, so I'll keep checking.....

Is anybody here familiar with the Coin Dealer Newsletter (CDN) ? I am not sure why it does not have a periodic listing of Saint-Gaudens prices.....it does for Liberty DE's every 3 months it appears. I got a bunch of old CDN's but aside from a few quotes for Saints via 1-line on a front-page, I don't see any articles or 1 or 1 1/2 pages of quotes for the Saints. The Page 1 says that Quarterly 3 (March, June, Sept, Dec) says "Double Eagles through 1907."

I got my steps in just by walking the bourse. Even taking cabs and not doing my usual dog walking, I was at about 15,000 steps per day.

WTF ? He's writing an article that quotes him as the source on something that isn't coroborrated by anyone or anything. This is moronic. Where did he get the hedge fund information ? It's anectdotal, and there's no proof from the Commitment of Traders reports or hedge fund holdings releases. I think he's just making stuff up that can't be demonstrably disproven within 30 seconds and trying to pass it off as fact. Real interest rates may well be POSITIVE and very high in many parts of the world. Another factually wrong statement. CoinWeek is printing something that is 1/2 infomercial advertisement, 1/2 article and it's not clear to the readers except those who can parse the facts from the fiction what is going on.

Thanks LD....great meeting you, learned alot too from you and we saw part of a good playoff game, Tenn vs. Baltimore. Hopefully, this virus is all cleared up by November/December when people commit (if they haven't already) to going to FL.

Ross, I talked to Julian a few times at Parsippany and I think I bought 1 or 2 things from him. Nice guy !

If you have a link on that being an insurance scam, link it here. I believe next year ROSEN PLAZA is closest to OCCC West (or North) wherever it is held. Not Rosen Inn and not Rosen Center.

....actually, it's pretty serious. I think the shows are now letting people know that they need to be VERY careful. Alot of dealers will pack up in a loading area....then take off....eventually, they stop for food and that's when a trailing car can usually hit the car or van which may have lots of valuable stuff. If the car isn't in sight of the owner when he or she is eating, you can be cleaned out in minutes.