Just Bob

Thanks. I have been wanting to see some coins that have been confirmed by a member to have actually been found in a dryer. You can find pictures labeled as "dryer coins" all over the place, but you never know if the coins were really found in a dryer, or if they were found elsewhere and just given that label.

Please post pictures of those, Hog.

Nice pickups!

I'm sorry. I realize this has nothing to do with me, but I really don't understand. Why would you need to see this or any coin in hand to know if NGC would grade it or not? Isn't there a list of coins/tokens/medals that they do or do not encapsulate? If you looked at a picture of a Morgan dollar, or an Ethiopian birr, or a Dix civil war token, you would be able to look on your list and say, "yep, we grade those." How is this coin any different?

In the description, it states, "Cert #s will vary." The seller could be using a stock photo that he/she made by combining pictures of two different slabs. The fact that there are two different backgrounds in the NGC pic makes me wonder if they didn't mix up their photos, too. Regardless, I am always wary when things don't seem completely on the up-an-up. I would find another seller if I were looking to buy one of these. Good eye. Welcome to the forum.

Motor City Madman?

Nothing in Rulau that I could find. I don't have a copy of Brunk's counterstamp book, but Rich Hartzog's old website has a master list of the merchants in the book, and I could not find a JAP on that list. Sorry

Same thing, different terminology. PCGS uses deep cameo; NGC uses ultra cameo.

From Russell Rulau's U.S Merchant Tokens 1845-1860: "George Clark was a blacksmith at 118 Wistar St., listed 1857-1875

Click here for a short article explaining the difference between proof coins and circulation strike coins: Link

It seems to me that if the reverse was struck through a grease-filled die, it would still have a proto rim, since that would have been formed before the planchet entered the coining chamber. Since the rim appears to be worn even with the surface of the coin around almost the entire circumference, my vote is post-mint damage. The lack of scratches or other evidence of damage could be due to the coin spending some time in circulation after the fact.

Welcome to the forum. May we see a picture of the obverse side?

How do you choose a favorite between those two? Great looking pair!

I agree with VF

The Adams Lumber Company was incorporated in 1896 and operated a mill that the Adams brothers had built in 1892, located two miles south of Morton, Mississippi in Scott County. The mill remained in operation until 1904. This 5 cent token is unlisted. The only other known denomination is a $1.00 token.

The certificate is signed by the president of "Grumpy, Inc." Interesting name for a coin dealer, to be sure.

Congratulations! I'm glad I was wrong about it being damaged. About the Blakesley effect: it really doesn't matter the reason a section of the planchet is missing. The effect is caused by uneven pressure when the blank is run through the upsetting mill. But - and here is where my brain slipped a cog - this coin never went through that process. I should have given my answer a lot more thought before I responded. This thread has also reminded me that I need to do a lot more studying on 18th &19th century US and world coin manufacturing processes. Thank you for posting.

Not yet, I am afraid. And, you need to post a larger picture of your avatar coin (and your '47-S and your '62.) That blue is very pretty.

Whether or not your coin is a variety is not determined by the coin grader. It is my understanding that the coin is sent to a separate person for variety identification. (That person would have been the renowned expert David Lange, before his recent untimely passing.) As Coinbuf stated in another post, you are paying to have this variety expert look at and evaluate your coin, which is a totally different operation than grading. $18 is really a small price to pay an expert for their opinion, even if you aren't happy with the outcome.

So, let's see, if I have an Indian Head cent with one of Rick Snow's Eagle Eye stickers which I have also sent to CAC to get stickered, now I can send it to David Hall and get a CMQ sticker. If I keep going, eventually my slab will end up looking like a North Korean general in dress uniform.

"How do you manage your collection?" Pen and paper.

Ouch! Somebody abused that poor coin terribly!

It is my understanding that the Blakesley Effect is caused during the raising of the proto-rim in the upsetting mill. The blank is forced into an increasingly smaller space between a stationary die and a roller, which squeezes the edge into a raised rim. If the blank has a missing area on the edge, there is no "resistance" for the die to push against, so no rim is formed. (Hard to describe or imagine if you don't know what the upsetting mill looks like.) Here is a screen shot of a still from the US mint's video about planchet formation. You can see pressure being applied to the planchet from the sides to form the rim.