Just Bob

Well done! Here is a banana dance, just for you I love it when one of our members finds a true rarity.

If this is the medal designed by Anthony Paquet, his initials (or on some, just a single "P") should be on the bottom of the bust, next to his ponytail. Good job with the identification. I like Coinbuf's suggestion of trying to sell it as-is. I would list it with all of the variety designations - Musante GW-448, Baker-223A, Julian PR-29 -and let someone else have the trouble and expense of getting it graded. Here is a link to past auction prices, just to give you an idea of what others have sold for in the past. Keep in mind that these were all authenticated and graded by either PCGS or NGC: Click me

Looks like a labeling error - what NGC calls a "mechanical error." They should correct it for free, but you might have to pay for shipping. I would contact customer service and see what they will do to straighten this out. Your coin definitely looks like a Juan I. Nice piece, by the way.

This is going to be a very expensive lesson. I honestly feel bad for you. Everyone wants to find that once-in-a-lifetime coin, but this , unfortunately, is not one.

It's the ghost of Robert E. Lee.

Acetone will make that mule go away.

It does seem to match FS-801. Heritage sold a PCGS AU50 on 10/20/ 2020 for $528. I couldn't find a like-graded regular example from around that time to make a comparison.

I don't know why people automatically assume that all of the members here get jealous when someone makes a new discovery. Go back and read the archived posts, and you will see that any time someone discovers something new or rare, the responses are always congratulatory and encouraging. We genuinely like it when someone finds something exciting or valuable in the wild, and if your coin were to be a rare find, we would all rejoice with you. Unfortunately, this will not be the case here. As stated above, the mint never made a bronze coated cent in 1943, and bronze does not stick to a magnet. You will be disappointed, I am sure, by the results of your submission. Let it be a learning experience for you.

Way to go! Contrary what some newbies think when we tell them that the coins they think are errors or varieties are simply normal or damaged, most of us on this forum are delighted when someone actually finds something special in the wild. Congratulations! Here is a happy dance for you.

The mint mark on the St Gaudens medal is the mark for the Bayerisches Munzkontor mint in Germany. The medal is part of a "History of Gold" series that they produced.

Welcome to the forum.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Looking forward to seeing the results of your submission.

I think you just made his point. There no longer is a generally accepted definition of what is considered Uncirculated.

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Looks like glue.

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Your coin might be worth a small premium to an error collector, or someone who likes collecting coins with interesting anomalies. Whether these collectors are less "knowledgeable" than other collectors is a debate best left to another thread, I suppose.

Scratched/dinged

I miss the days when members would go out of their way to congratulate and encourage new posters who showed their cool circulation finds and purchases. These days it seems we automatically respond with discouragement, if not outright negativity. Welcome to the forum, Cary Coins. I like your Roosevelt a lot. Looks like the mint got their money's worth from both dies. (Do me a favor. Whatever you do, don't give it some cutesy name like some Youtubers and others - like Vam collectors - do. That drives me crazy.) Looking forward to seeing what else you have found.

Any idea why the '05 quarter eagle got an "altered surfaces" designation?

I see the answers to some of the questions have been changed. I will not belabor the points here, but will just wait for the finished article. Should be really interesting.

It can't be RPM -10 since all coins struck from that obverse die would look alike, and the position of the mint mark on your coin is far to the right of the example on Variety Vista.

Hold on. Are you saying that the die pair was used to strike only a dozen or so examples (or how ever many were sent to the Smithsonian plus the ones allegedly belonging to the Eva Adams estate) and then retired? If that is the case, this story just got a lot more interesting. I am really looking forward to the results of your research.