FINALLY FOUND ME ONE 1958 DDO I LIKE TO SEE ANYONE TEL ME I AM WRING THIS TIME PERSEVERANCE PAYS OFF 1 1

[Crumbley]

[Sandon]

   I'm telling you you're wrong! It's just an ordinary, circulated 1958 cent showing no doubling of any kind and worth a few cents at most. Here are cropped closeups of the diagnostic areas of the 1958 DDO cent from the image on NGC VarietyPlus, which bears no resemblance to your coin:

       

 

   We're happy to help new collectors on this forum and have occasionally identified legitimate doubled dies and other varieties and errors.  However, I'm beginning to suspect you're not serious about this and don't want to waste my time.  If you're convinced that this coin exhibits the extremely rare known 1958 doubled die obverse or a new but nevertheless significant one, feel free to spend your hard-earned money submitting it to NGC or another reputable third-party grading service for authentication, attribution and grading. Be sure to include the $18 "VarietyPlus" attribution fee, as well as an appropriate tier grading fee, processing fee, and return shipping fee.  Review the various topics under the "Submit" tab on the NGC home page for details.

Edit: Posted on the wrong forum again.

Edited July 24, 2023 by Sandon

[Coinbuf]

I'll be happy to, you are wrong, hope that makes you happy.

[J P M]

Ya know what...............You are wrong.............Again....... The members here are more than happy to help a new collector with there coins. Sandon and Coinbuf have been around coins along time and they have looked at your coins and given you there honest advice.  

[Hoghead515]

Wrong. Is definately not a DD. Your not gonna find one that easy. Its pretty rare to find a true dd. Ive only found a couple in my time collecting and Ive looked through thousands of coins. If u ever do find one that you think is one then compare it to known examples on Variety Vista or another trusted source. If it dosent match any variety thats recorded then its not one. Id suggest doing that and then if you have a winner post it on here to confirm it. Id also suggest researching how dd coins are made in the first place. Learn how the minting process works. You posted several coins you thought were dd coins. Your not gonna find them that easily. 

[RWB]

RE: "FINALLY FOUND ME ONE 1958 DDO I LIKE TO SEE ANYONE TEL ME I AM WRING [ sic, 'wrong' ]THIS TIME PERSEVERANCE PAYS OFF"

Absolutely not a doubled die. Keep searching, though. When you find one that exactly matches the photo Sandon posted,  you can crow day and night.

Edited July 25, 2023 by RWB

[powermad5000]

I will ask you once again, what on these coins is making you think you have a DDO? It is impossible for us to help you learn to correctly identify a true DDO coin without knowing what aspects you are seeing that are leading you to come to the conclusion that you have found all of these alleged DDO coins.

I have roughly 475 coins in my collection, all certified and graded by NGC. Of that number, I only own 6 DDO or DDR (one is a TDR proof). I bought 4 of them raw and two already certified. I was able to determine the ones raw from either great photos or from having the coins in hand. True DDO/DDR coins are not a common find and of the vast majority of coins that have been minted by the US Mint, they are a select few and most of them are already attributed by numismatic experts with plenty of photographic and historical fact to match them to a variety description.

I am only relaying this information because of your repeated posts, yet you are not telling us what you see that makes you think all of these coins are.

[EagleRJO]

"I LIKE TO SEE ANYONE TEL ME I AM WRING [WRONG]"

Okay, I will pile on ... you are wrong!  It's not a DDO.

 

 

[GoldFinger1969]

No more a DDO than your cap-locked OP doesn't contain spilling eras. 

[Jason Abshier]

You’re right you found one ! Take it nearest coin dealer and ask for $1,000 tops … Then come back and tell us how your experience was with the local coin dealer 

[VKurtB]

You are absolutely WRONG, and for an added bonus, you may be WRING, too. 

[Crumbley]

On 7/25/2023 at 11:01 PM, powermad5000 said:

I will ask you once again, what on these coins is making you think you have a DDO? It is impossible for us to help you learn to correctly identify a true DDO coin without knowing what aspects you are seeing that are leading you to come to the conclusion that you have found all of these alleged DDO coins.

I have roughly 475 coins in my collection, all certified and graded by NGC. Of that number, I only own 6 DDO or DDR (one is a TDR proof). I bought 4 of them raw and two already certified. I was able to determine the ones raw from either great photos or from having the coins in hand. True DDO/DDR coins are not a common find and of the vast majority of coins that have been minted by the US Mint, they are a select few and most of them are already attributed by numismatic experts with plenty of photographic and historical fact to match them to a variety description.

I am only relaying this information because of your repeated posts, yet you are not telling us what you see that makes you think all of these coins are.

I thought I seen doubling in the motto and I looked at the die markers I love collecting Lincoln cents an I try to get my kids involved but I obviously need more information on it I have no problem learning I always want to improve my skills sorry about the post 

[GoldFinger1969]

On 7/26/2023 at 12:21 PM, Crumbley said:

I thought I seen doubling in the motto and I looked at the die markers I love collecting Lincoln cents an I try to get my kids involved but I obviously need more information on it I have no problem learning I always want to improve my skills sorry about the post 

No need to apologize, but don't use capital lock in the OP....tone down the exubberance....and ASK folks here with tons of experience their opinions rathter than rely on your emotions.

If you are SERIOUS about coin collecting, you will learn a TON of knowledge from this site. 

 

[The Neophyte Numismatist]

Agree... you came-in hot, and that's why you got the reaction you did.  If you are going to spike a football, you have to be 100% you are in the end zone (spiking at the 50 is a fumble).  Humility goes a long way.. I am also learning, and I stink at doubled dies... fortunately, there is more to numismatics than doubled die coins.  I would suggest honing your other skills, too (grading, variety identification, and set-building).

Here is a secret that the YouTubers don't want collectors to know.... Let's say you have a very minor doubled die... If that coin is not in MS++++, it isn't worth anything.  Maybe it's fun to look at, but it is essentially worthless.  Doubled die coins either have to be easily visible (1955, 1972, etc.), and/or in supreme shape to have any real value.  I am not saying coins have to be valuable to be worthwhile to study (you can learn a lot from the right coins regardless of value).  However, before you pull the football out again, this is something to also consider.

Good luck

[Reno Raines]

I would just study the picture that Sandon posted as it is a close up view of a DDO.

[VKurtB]

On 7/26/2023 at 2:35 PM, The Neophyte Numismatist said:

Agree... you came-in hot, and that's why you got the reaction you did.  If you are going to spike a football, you have to be 100% you are in the end zone (spiking at the 50 is a fumble).  Humility goes a long way.. I am also learning, and I stink at doubled dies... fortunately, there is more to numismatics than doubled die coins.  I would suggest honing your other skills, too (grading, variety identification, and set-building).

Here is a secret that the YouTubers don't want collectors to know.... Let's say you have a very minor doubled die... If that coin is not in MS++++, it isn't worth anything.  Maybe it's fun to look at, but it is essentially worthless.  Doubled die coins either have to be easily visible (1955, 1972, etc.), and/or in supreme shape to have any real value.  I am not saying coins have to be valuable to be worthwhile to study (you can learn a lot from the right coins regardless of value).  However, before you pull the football out again, this is something to also consider.

Good luck

EVERYBODY stinks at identifying doubled dies. They are more overhyped than anything else in numismatics. 

[powermad5000]

On 7/26/2023 at 2:44 PM, Tony Follis said:

I would just study the picture that Sandon posted as it is a close up view of a DDO.

Agreed. For the OP, I am not sure what die markers you were referring to that you were looking at on these coins. If you are seeing minor sloped doubling, it is called mechanical (strike, erosion, etc.) doubling. It is a normal part of the minting process. When a die is wearing out, you get die erosion doubling as the image in the die is worn down and no longer holding the metal to the die recesses during the strike, and a little metal passes beyond the lettering making a "mushy" doubling APPEARANCE. Not a true doubling. Strike doubling can happen if the planchet bounces during the strike or if a die is loose in the press and you get a FORM of doubling but it a part of the process of minting and again is not a true doubling. The photo of the 1958 that @Sandon provided is what you should be looking for when it comes to Lincoln cents.

Other series of coins have doubling that is harder to detect such as Peace dollars and Kennedy halves. Even I cannot see it most of the time and it takes a very trained eye to detect it. So, cents are probably your best way to learn it as the known cent varieties it is very easily seen with the naked eye.

[Mike Meenderink]

Please guys lets just keep this guy inside searching for unicorns. Don't worry bud you'll find a nice one someday just keep trying...maybe you will find a 2 headed penny wouldn't that be fun?

[powermad5000]

@Mike Meenderink, this forum is to try to help people understand the nuances of collecting. I feel it is better to educate someone than to let them run around cluelessly while at the same time spreading further misinformation. Anyone we can help on here is also helping further the hobby.

[EagleRJO]

On 7/26/2023 at 12:21 PM, Crumbley said:

I thought I seen doubling in the motto and I looked at the die markers I love collecting Lincoln cents an I try to get my kids involved but I obviously need more information on it I have no problem learning I always want to improve my skills sorry about the post 

If that is an app and/or scope you are using to find the errors/varieties you have been posting in multiple topics you may want to moth-ball them and start over again, beginning with some basic books and resources on coins, errors & varieties (see some of your first topics on the board) as well as a 5x to 10x magnifying glass. 

But keep in mind even the mag glass needs to be in focus. 

[davidturner]

On 7/24/2023 at 8:38 PM, Crumbley said:

I also don't think it's what you think. Unfortunately!