Joseph Franklin Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Has anyone come across a 1990-D Nickel that has been designated by Variety Vista Catalog?I went there and only saw one for S mint. Because after spending nearly an hour photographing and looking at it through a Loop I know the lines and dimples the surrounding area make if it's a true DDO. A big factor is the hairbow doubling. I'm looking to know how to price it. But for know I would to know if anyone has seen a 1990-D 5c DDO? Coinbuf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 How about you show us some photos of this rare beast. RonnieR131 and tj96 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lem E Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 The only doubled die I see for 1990 besides the S is this one, but it is a DDR and a Philly coin. https://www2.briansvarietycoins.com/listings/cat/55 Joseph Franklin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenstang Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Welcome to the Forum Without clear a photo of the whole coin and a closeup of the doubling, no one will be able to help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J P M Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 I would love to see a new find, I look at nickel rolls all the time. Please post a photo so we can see it Joe. Joseph Franklin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Franklin Posted March 8, 2022 Author Share Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) Transfered the pics from the Canon to the phone. So here they are! You can really see the doubling on the some of Jefferson Memorial. As you all know angles and lighting are important in seeing features that show specifications for a DDO/DDR. Edited March 8, 2022 by Joseph Franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Franklin Posted March 8, 2022 Author Share Posted March 8, 2022 Hope that helps JP. Let me know if I need to adjust any lighting issues. You can see the double dome with the naked eye. If in fact it is doubling and not some weird post minting process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woods020 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) On 3/8/2022 at 7:57 AM, Joseph Franklin said: Transfered the pics from the Canon to the phone. So here they are! You can really see the doubling on the some of Jefferson Memorial. As you all know angles and lighting are important in seeing features that show specifications for a DDO/DDR. You say you have a ddo, but your pics focus on the reverse? Do you think the doubling is on the reverse or obverse? Can you get well focused pics where the coin fills most of the screen? We need to see detail. Lay the coin down and get a straight on shot. Then crop to fill the screen. Also it’s not good practice to hold the coin like that. Hold it by the rim only if possible. Edited March 8, 2022 by Woods020 Joseph Franklin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J P M Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) Thanks Joe, Like everything Woods said if you are looking at the reverse it is called a DDR . Also if you can get a better shot with your phone I use a couple of books or something to lay the phone on to get a close shot. I did look up the 1990-D DDR and there is no reference ,not to say it is not a DDR but without better close ups it may be what we call ( DD ) Die Deterioration or ( MD ) Mechanical doubling, both of these happen in the minting of a coin and can fool the best of us without a good look. Edited March 8, 2022 by J P Mashoke Joseph Franklin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaney777 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 You'll have to use a microscope or macro lens attachment for anyone to properly diagnose such an error/variety. Joseph Franklin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Franklin Posted March 8, 2022 Author Share Posted March 8, 2022 Yes agreed to all of the above, and yes both sides have doubling, so we're looking at both sides for examination. Whew....and yes, a macro lens is the best way to get in close, but that's not always the case.... I'll use my phone and get back. Thank you for your input and newness of eyes. After spending hours looking and this stuff daily. Yike.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Franklin Posted March 8, 2022 Author Share Posted March 8, 2022 Alrighty then I totally see what you mean in terms of magnification and readability. I appreciate your patience. RonnieR131 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Franklin Posted March 8, 2022 Author Share Posted March 8, 2022 The angled pictures are to show the doubling outline around the bust and the bow on the back of his head. You can see the original strike area. From my investigations thus far, within my own doubled die collection; this feature of a "double outline" spills out across all denominations using our mint machines. It's cool to hopefully share with y'all something unique and exciting to research and discuss. Thank you again everyone who has taken their time to participate, no one had too, but you did and that warms my heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JKK Posted March 8, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2022 What doubling I see does not look consistent with doubled dies. It does look consistent with mechanical doubling, which is not special. Coinbuf, JT2 and Woods020 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Franklin Posted March 8, 2022 Author Share Posted March 8, 2022 Obviously not. JKK, that's why I'm here to get more opinions because this one's got me scratching my head. The profile of the dome, and his face, and the typical spot on the bow is all there. But you said it best there are some inconsistencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Franklin Posted March 8, 2022 Author Share Posted March 8, 2022 It's seeing the double profile with the naked eye that has me puzzled. Lol...because the top of his head grows like an alien when you change the perspective. Just isn't your typical strike. I wish you could see with a loupe what I see. That subtle little break on the devices to show more evidence of the 2nd strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 All I see is simple strike doubling on a well circulated nickel, which to be honest is what I expected to see. JT2 and Woods020 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldhoopster Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 It's tough to see clearly, but I don't seeing any evidence of split serifs/notching, which are characteristics of hub doubling. The dome doubling looks flat which is a characteristic of mechanical doubling. If you disagree with the opinions, you can always send it to a TPG or CONECA for authentication. Woods020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woods020 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 On 3/8/2022 at 2:42 PM, Joseph Franklin said: It's seeing the double profile with the naked eye that has me puzzled. Lol...because the top of his head grows like an alien when you change the perspective. Just isn't your typical strike. I wish you could see with a loupe what I see. That subtle little break on the devices to show more evidence of the 2nd strike. I agree with all of the very knowledgeable members who have chimed in. The only addition is you now refer to a second strike. You are aware that a coin with multiple strikes is a different animal than a doubled die right? One happens on the coin and the other on the die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J P M Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Sorry to say Joe I do not see doubling other than maybe on the last shot some MD by the ponytail on the obverse. The coin is quite beat up also so it will cast strange reflections of light. Even if it was a major DD it would have to be a extra special quality coin to be worth anything. But it is always a welcome site to see new members asking questions and this place has many qualified people to help you out. So keep looking and you never know what you may find. Like I said I roll hunt all the time and see many coins that a lot of times are not what they seam to be. Joseph Franklin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Franklin Posted March 9, 2022 Author Share Posted March 9, 2022 Lovely answers and profound amount of knowledge given by everyone! The coin hunting will continue. What I appreciate is the stricter I have become in labeling my own collection. This Nickel is one that won't be going into my DDO/DDR collection. Oldhoopster's comment, thank you for the specific information. Blessings and peace to all for your kindnesses and patience. Thank you for willing to reach, cause I'm listening with ears wide open and mouth shut. Sidebar comment...I sent off my 1968-D DDR quarter to get graded by PCGS and for them to check the Obverse for doubling as well. I did my research before I asked them to check for the Obverse doubling. RonnieR131 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 On 3/9/2022 at 11:49 AM, Joseph Franklin said: Sidebar comment...I sent off my 1968-D DDR quarter to get graded by PCGS and for them to check the Obverse for doubling as well. I did my research before I asked them to check for the Obverse doubling. How did that submission turn out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Franklin Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) Lol 🤣 you mean this one? Oooo.... It's gonna be...what, 50 BUSINESS DAYS! But I get it. So much change, cost going up on everything! Ugh! And I have a '76 Bicentennial DDR getting Certified. I only submitted what I thought was the most cost productive means. If It comes back a grade or 2 on any of those coins I'll be above board. My favorite out of the bunch....that '66 SMS DCAM. I couldn't quite except what I had for a few days. Plus with the Reverse-side being absolutely unremarkable and untoned...I had to pull the trigger. This one little SMS set that I had never examined up until a month ago. Wow. I've had the set for 25+ years! I love it. Oh dude! And....the SMS Cameo Penny I submitted was a DDR. I asked them in the notes area to pay special attention to the reverse side for a Doubled Die. Crazy. It would be interesting to see the type of labeling they put on it. Edited March 10, 2022 by Joseph Franklin Typos. Didn't make sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woods020 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) On 3/9/2022 at 7:47 PM, Joseph Franklin said: Lol 🤣 you mean this one? Oooo.... It's gonna be...what, 50 BUSINESS DAYS! But I get it. So much change, cost going up on everything! Ugh! And I have a '76 Bicentennial DDR getting Certified. I only submitted what I thought was the most cost productive means. If It comes back a grade or 2 on any of those coins I'll be above board. My favorite out of the bunch....that '66 SMS DCAM. I couldn't quite except what I had for a few days. Plus with the Reverse-side being absolutely unremarkable and untoned...I had to pull the trigger. This one little SMS set that I had never examined up until a month ago. Wow. I've had the set for 25+ years! I love it. Oh dude! And....the SMS Cameo Penny I submitted was a DDR. I asked them in the notes area to pay special attention to the reverse side for a Doubled Die. Crazy. It would be interesting to see the type of labeling they put on it. Do you have pics of the 66 SMS DCAM? I’d love to see it. Actually I would love to see all of this amazing SMS set. It’s going to be an interesting experience. I’m guessing this is your first submission to get graded? Edited March 10, 2022 by Woods020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/9/2022 at 6:47 PM, Joseph Franklin said: Lol 🤣 you mean this one? Oooo.... It's gonna be...what, 50 BUSINESS DAYS! But I get it. So much change, cost going up on everything! Ugh! And I have a '76 Bicentennial DDR getting Certified. I only submitted what I thought was the most cost productive means. If It comes back a grade or 2 on any of those coins I'll be above board. My favorite out of the bunch....that '66 SMS DCAM. I couldn't quite except what I had for a few days. Plus with the Reverse-side being absolutely unremarkable and untoned...I had to pull the trigger. This one little SMS set that I had never examined up until a month ago. Wow. I've had the set for 25+ years! I love it. Oh dude! And....the SMS Cameo Penny I submitted was a DDR. I asked them in the notes area to pay special attention to the reverse side for a Doubled Die. Crazy. It would be interesting to see the type of labeling they put on it. Good luck on the submission please update once you have the grades, curious why you sent these to PCGS rather than NGC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J P M Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Good luck with your submissions Joe. Most SMS coins do not grade to high. I have quite a few 76er's and if you have a 1976 DDR I can't wait to see that one, that may cover the cost of submission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Franklin Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/10/2022 at 7:24 AM, J P Mashoke said: Good luck with your submissions Joe. Most SMS coins do not grade to high. I have quite a few 76er's and if you have a 1976 DDR I can't wait to see that one, that may cover the cost of submission. Definitely agree on that it will cover the cost! So hey here's some of the pictures that I took of the SMS Nickel before sending it off. I took tons of pictures of the coins and are posted on my Shopify website. Ian and Eve Antiques. That's all I'll say because I'm not here to promote or sell anything, but that's where the best pictures are of each coin. On 3/9/2022 at 10:01 PM, Coinbuf said: Good luck on the submission please update once you have the grades, curious why you sent these to PCGS rather than NGC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Franklin Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/9/2022 at 10:01 PM, Coinbuf said: Good luck on the submission please update once you have the grades, curious why you sent these to PCGS rather than NGC. Didn't answer your question....Er, umm....sheer stupidity. No bull. But now that I'm in the system and seeing how the pieces move around and who has more authority in grading say so. Stuff like that. Like, right now I'm stuck on 2 coins and how to proceed. I have 2 MS68+ 1993-D, 1997-D DDO's. Do I send them to a pre-atrributionist first to get labeled DDO/DDR, because both of them are, or do you include your own dictations and research on the coin and supply that info with your submission? And after 20 years of grandma giving me pennies that 90% are Doubled Died.....It makes your brains hurt a lot!!!! So much research. But how did she know way back when what would explode? Incredible. I would love more than anything than to sell my coin set and build a community orphanage built on the gospel. That's my dream brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Just Bob Posted March 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2022 Even though you didn't say this was a "guess the grade," I'm going to toss my opinion out there. I think the nickel will come back as a 66, maybe a 67, no cameo. Coinbuf, Woods020 and Joseph Franklin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Franklin Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/10/2022 at 11:54 AM, Just Bob said: Even though you didn't say this was a "guess the grade," I'm going to toss my opinion out there. I think the nickel will come back as a 66, maybe a 67, no cameo. Right on. Not all the pictures highlight that. But appreciate your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
