Is it Old eyes or Double Die's 1 1

[J P M]

You all know me by now and I would not put this up but I see a different type of doubling here than normal Mechanical Doubling. See how the line is rounded not flat look at the  O in God it starts out on the outside left and circles into the center back where it started. You can see it best on the rounded letters and numbers but it is on all of them. Is this more like  Hub Doubling

I did not find a listing for this in Vista. Let me know what you guys think.

[Mr.Bill347]

I can see doubling there JP.

[James Zyskowski]

Me too JP. I only know a little but I believe mechanical doubling has flat edges more like a step (sorry more coffee and words will come). The more experienced will clarify soon. Very cool 🤓🙀

[J P M]

On 8/27/2021 at 9:58 AM, James Zyskowski said:

Me too JP. I only know a little but I believe mechanical doubling has flat edges more like a step (sorry more coffee and words will come). The more experienced will clarify soon. Very cool 🤓🙀

Yes these lines are rounded and continues not stepped like when the die jumps, So are they in the die itself that is the question ?? 

[James Zyskowski]

Here’s a picture of my d.Carr 55. He engraved it on the die. For comparison some with different varieties can post. This is not your coin and is really a reproduction. But it’s awesome to look at. I get dizzyer. Great Friday thread. Thanks again JP

Edited August 27, 2021 by James Zyskowski

[GBrad]

Hello JP.  There are a few 2018 LSC known doubled dies but I don't believe yours is consistent with them.  All of the known 2018 DDO's are a form of class 9 doubling and this type of doubling is very obvious.  The devices (in this case it would be the year, 2018) are very prominent in their size and distortion and LIBERTY should be affected too.  I believe I see die deterioration doubling on the 8 of the date. There is a form of useless doubling calling Ejection Doubling which I feel like this is what I may be seeing on the O of GOD.  These LSC's are a pain in the rear to photograph aren't they!!!!

Edited August 27, 2021 by GBrad

[J P M]

On 8/27/2021 at 10:19 AM, GBrad said:

Hello JP.  There are a few 2018 LSC known doubled dies but I don't believe yours is consistent with them.  All of the known 2018 DDO's are a form of class 9 doubling and this type of doubling is very obvious.  The devices (in this case it would be the year, 2018) are very prominent in their size and distortion and LIBERTY should be affected too.  I believe I see die deterioration doubling on the 8 of the date. There is a form of useless doubling calling Ejection Doubling which I feel like this is what I may be seeing on the O of GOD.  

Here is the Liberty it has lines also, not as pronounced as the top words

[Woods020]

Mechanical doubling 

[GBrad]

On 8/27/2021 at 10:35 AM, J P Mashoke said:

Here is the Liberty it has lines also, not as pronounced as the top words

Thanks for the pic of LIBERTY JP.  Not seeing any true doubling here either.  You need to look for enlarged and distorted devices on these newer Shield Cents.  Pretty much all they will exhibit is class 9 doubling and to me at least it is very noticeable.  The glare from these pennies is nice but makes them about impossible to clearly photograph due to the glare.  Thinking ya just have die deterioration here bud.  The doubling in LIBERTY on the 2018 (and most all Shield Cents) will take place in the form of 'notching' on the lettering.  Typically on the last three letters-RTY on the tops or bottoms of the legs and cross members of the letters.  Let me try to find a pic of a DDO I found to show you for comparison.  Hope this helps.  

[GBrad]

Here's a 2015 LSC DDO I found awhile back (found a 2019 as well) but all of the dates in this series will typically look like this if a doubled die. Can you see the major distortion of class 9 I'm talking about, as well as the profound notching?  Stands out like a sore thumb to me,..... especially after looking at about 1,089,786 of them....... (and I still don't like them....)

Edited August 27, 2021 by GBrad

[GBrad]

Here's the 2019 I found too.  Same form of doubling.  

[J P M]

I am not saying it is a DD that was just the title... I wright music and the title sounded so good (Is it Old eyes or Double Dies)  I am not looking and any of the edges of the devices that is reflection I was looking at the lines in the centers they are not typical looking Mechanical Doubling that is why I posted it , but it I guess it is just a different variation of the same old thing.

[GBrad]

On 8/27/2021 at 12:56 PM, J P Mashoke said:

I am not saying it is a DD that was just the title... I wright music and the title sounded so good (Is it Old eyes or Double Dies)  I am not looking and any of the edges of the devices that is reflection I was looking at the lines in the centers they are not typical looking Mechanical Doubling that is why I posted it , but it I guess it is just a different variation of the same old thing.

I want you to write a song titled this and post it on the forum for all to hear!!!!!

[J P M]

On 8/27/2021 at 1:14 PM, GBrad said:

I want you to write a song titled this and post it on the forum for all to hear!!!!!

LoL ,The Double Die Blues, In the Key of A

[J P M]

On 8/27/2021 at 1:18 PM, J P Mashoke said:

LoL ,The Double Die Blues, In the Key of A

   I been looking at these coins every night and day

Trying to find the ones that pay

  Most are worn with metal out of place

But I keep looking just in case

Da Da Da Da Da

  I got the Double Die Blues

Is it these old eyes

Seeing double lines

Da Da Da DA Da

I got the Double Die Blues

 

[Woods020]

*you have the doubleD eye blues 😁

[GBrad]

On 8/27/2021 at 1:37 PM, J P Mashoke said:

   I been looking at these coins every night and day

Trying to find the ones that pay

  Most are worn with metal out of place

But I keep looking just in case

Da Da Da Da Da

  I got the Double Die Blues

Is it these old eyes

Seeing double lines

Da Da Da DA Da

I got the Double Die Blues

 

I love it!! I’m headed back to Abalama lake Martin for the weekend to do a little fishing. My buddy has a nice 6 string acoustic down there. I may have to come up with a lick myself!
 

 

[Coinbuf]

Not to derail the song writing but going back to your op coin, @GBrad nailed it.   This is just a form of die deterioration that mimics doubling, not a true doubled die.

[JT2]

Too much tequilla hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[GBrad]

On 8/27/2021 at 2:46 PM, JT2 said:

Too much tequilla hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Yours???

[J P M]

On 8/27/2021 at 2:46 PM, JT2 said:

Too much tequilla hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Now that's what I'm talking about Not these fat letters and numbers claiming to be something special. LoL That reminds me of paying my bar tab at the end of the night No wonder I was always broke  I had to pay double. 

[James Zyskowski]

On 8/27/2021 at 12:46 PM, JT2 said:

Too much tequilla hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Yours is awesome. It makes me dizzyer. Wow compare yours to my d.Carr.  He did a pretty dang good job 🤠

[JAnsley]

On 8/27/2021 at 11:32 AM, GBrad said:

Here's a 2015 LSC DDO I found awhile back (found a 2019 as well) but all of the dates in this series will typically look like this if a doubled die. Can you see the major distortion of class 9 I'm talking about, as well as the profound notching?  Stands out like a sore thumb to me,..... especially after looking at about 1,089,786 of them....... (and I still don't like them....)

Hello GBrad 

Newbie here and to varietys just wanted to know what class 9 doubling is that you refer to?? I hadn't realized there is different classes of doubling. Is the a link here on NGC website with literature i can read up on about double dies? Also other variety and error types?

Thanks Jeff

[GBrad]

On 8/27/2021 at 9:53 PM, JAnsley said:

Hello GBrad 

Newbie here and to varietys just wanted to know what class 9 doubling is that you refer to?? I hadn't realized there is different classes of doubling. Is the a link here on NGC website with literature i can read up on about double dies? Also other variety and error types?

Thanks Jeff

Hello Jeff and welcome to the forum.  Here is a very good link that will explain all of the classes of dies.  Class 9 is also listed in this tutorial.  I have always heard that a class 9 doubled die is a type of hub doubling that simply doesn't fit into one of the first eight classes.  It does however have its own characteristics as you can see from this article.  Hope this helps.  

http://www.error-ref.com/?s=classes

[James Zyskowski]

GBrad.   I always enjoy your comments but dang dude I am really impressed with how much knowledge you have tucked away in your little corner of Georgia . Thanks for sharing.

🤠 James  

ps. Looking forward to your song JP blues arrangement 👍🏼

Good luck fishing 🎣 

Edited August 28, 2021 by James Zyskowski