DonnaJo Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 The front of this coin is really pretty but the back looks like it is scratched in the same pattern but the coin doesn't look damaged. Little help for a new lady please. It's actually very pretty coin pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharann Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 I don't know so I am posting this hoping to get feedback from my friends. My question to myself is this... 1. If this happened at the mint, which would mean it to be an error, where could it have happened, or in what stage could it have possibly happened? I don't see where it could've happened at the mint, so I am gonna say it isn't an error, but please don't take my word for it. I am just guessing to get feedback and a little more education. DonnaJo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnaJo Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 It's definitely an interesting piece. Has me wondering what could do this to a coin. But I'm super new so I don't know a lot about the errors just yet Sharann 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsshog40 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 I can't think of anything that would cause these marks during minting. That's why I'm going to guess some sort of damage after the mint. Sharann 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharann Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 12 minutes ago, DonnaJo said: It's definitely an interesting piece. Has me wondering what could do this to a coin. But I'm super new so I don't know a lot about the errors just yet So am I! But this is a great place to learn. DonnaJo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxie15 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 @DonnaJo Lets play a little game. This game helps both of us learn, I call the game What. We ask each other questions about the coin how, why or what. L will start What does the face of the die that struck this coin look like? Sharann 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOHN DENT Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 It looks to me like an end piece of metal and those are definitely saw marks where the piece was cut so i definitely would say in my opinion you may have a legitimate error coin. Its like if you had a piece of rolled steel and you cut it to size with a saw blade your left with those exact marks DonnaJo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DonnaJo Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, JOHN DENT said: It looks to me like an end piece of metal and those are definitely saw marks where the piece was cut so i definitely would say in my opinion you may have a legitimate error coin. Its like if you had a piece of rolled steel and you cut it to size with a saw blade your left with those exact marks Oh that's really cool if so how exciting if that's the case! Thx for the thoughts and opinions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnaJo Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 43 minutes ago, Moxie15 said: @DonnaJo Lets play a little game. This game helps both of us learn, I call the game What. We ask each other questions about the coin how, why or what. L will start What does the face of the die that struck this coin look like? This is the front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnaJo Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 This is the back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnaJo Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, JOHN DENT said: Ok I'm just getting into this coin stuff. My great grandpaw always looked at every coin told me they like little treasures. that always stuck with me so looking for a hobby I decided to go with coins this would be my first really neat rare find If so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bsshog40 Posted February 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 26, 2021 Ok, for one thing, planchets are not cut out of rods of metal. They are punched from strips of metal. NGC has some good reading on this process. Planchet Forming Sharann, Woods020, Lancek and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woods020 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 This seemingly would be damage logically. However, it looks like the outline of the US is not disturbed by the raised lines. It’s interesting to say the least. Could this somehow of happened as planchet damage prior to striking? Not sure how a planchet would get mangled like that unless it got caught in the upsetting machine or something. And I know the strike usually smoothes out minor surface imperfections from the pressure and metal flow, but if it was significant damage to the planchet maybe it would remain? Looking forward to seeing opinions on this. Lem E and Sharann 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bsshog40 Posted February 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 26, 2021 14 minutes ago, Woods020 said: This seemingly would be damage logically. However, it looks like the outline of the US is not disturbed by the raised lines. It’s interesting to say the least. Could this somehow of happened as planchet damage prior to striking? Not sure how a planchet would get mangled like that unless it got caught in the upsetting machine or something. And I know the strike usually smoothes out minor surface imperfections from the pressure and metal flow, but if it was significant damage to the planchet maybe it would remain? Looking forward to seeing opinions on this. Sometimes trying to figure out how a coin was damaged can be a task with no ending. Woods020, Lem E, RonnieR131 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lem E Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 You would think if this is after strike damage, the words and date would have the same lines, but they look clean. The outline of the U.S. also looks clean as was said earlier. The rim of the coin is also fairly clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsshog40 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Lem E said: You would think if this is after strike damage, the words and date would have the same lines, but they look clean. The outline of the U.S. also looks clean as was said earlier. The rim of the coin is also fairly clean. I agree! Are we sure these lines are raised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lem E Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Perhaps our OP will let us know if this has some kind of texture to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnaJo Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 15 minutes ago, Lem E said: You would think if this is after strike damage, the words and date would have the same lines, but they look clean. The outline of the U.S. also looks clean as was said earlier. The rim of the coin is also fairly clean. That's what struck my interest. I would think if it was scrape damage it would be gouges in the letters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnaJo Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 This is under the scope. It's in the color not over the top of letters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lem E Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Kind of resembles a woodie Lincoln. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woods020 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lem E said: Kind of resembles a woodie Lincoln. I thought that too. Really seems like this is an issue in the planchet. Lem E 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bsshog40 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Ok, so now we know they are not raised lines? Then it looks to me like these are just some kind of annealing lines. Probably on the strip of metal before being punched for minting. Not really any value to it, just different looking. Some people think the lines are cool and others think it just detracts from the coin. Lem E 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lem E Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Stick it in a flip and label it as a petrified woodie. Hoghead515 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghead515 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) Could it have been improperly annealed and when it was run thru the rollers to flatten it out into planchet size , make those lines in it. Before the planchets were stamped out. Kinda like those old Morgans that were pulled thru a drawbench Edited February 26, 2021 by Hoghead515 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsshog40 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 More than likely done before the planchets were punched. Hoghead515 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnaJo Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 Could this possibly be feeder finger er ror over the whole reverse side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsshog40 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 7 hours ago, DonnaJo said: Could this possibly be feeder finger er ror over the whole reverse side? I believe if this was feeder finger damage than there would be actual scaping. From what I can see from the newer pics, the lines are colored lines and not scrapes correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghead515 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) I thought the same thing. If it just colors and not scratches. No one take my guess seriously because I'm no expert. Just wanna take a stab. I believe what Bsshog40 is saying. It had something to do with annealing. Then when it was run thru the rolling machines it came out like that. Before the planchet was stamped out. Edited February 26, 2021 by Hoghead515 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
