Henri Charriere Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 28 minutes ago, Just Bob said: @Just Bob Just curious, where was the earliest token in Mississippi produced, for what, and in what year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Bob Posted May 6, 2021 Author Share Posted May 6, 2021 19 hours ago, Quintus Arrius said: @Just Bob Just curious, where was the earliest token in Mississippi produced, for what, and in what year? Three bars in Vicksburg - The Mansion House, Custis' Bar, and The Bar of the Shakespeare - issued paper Hard Times Satirical Notes in 1837, so these are the first pieces of exonumia listed in Rulau, which lists pieces chronologically. As for metal tokens, Benjamin Fotterall, seller of "silk, fancy, and staple goods of all kinds," and the Prentiss House hotel, both of Vicksburg, began issuing tokens in the early 1850s. Both listings say, "Approx 1852." I don't own a Prentiss House token, in fact have never even seen a picture of one. I do own Fotterall tokens in copper and bronze. The Prentiss House token is a $1.00 issue; the Fotterall tokens are advertising tokens, and have no face value on them. As a addendum to my last post: I had to go to Poplarville this afternoon, so I stopped by the city cemetery, and took these photos of Randolph Batson's grave: Woods020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 @Just Bob Many thanks for the reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Bob Posted May 12, 2021 Author Share Posted May 12, 2021 Sidings, Mississippi was established in 1889. The name was changed to Meehan Junction in 1902, and to Meehan in 1950. A local story says that the area was once Choctaw "Holy Land." The Acme Lumber company operated a yellow pine/ hardwood mill in the 1890s that produced 60,000 board feet of lumber per day. Chatham's Mississippi Token book lists a 50 cent and 10 cent token - both unique. Trantow's Lumber Company token book has the same information. The 25 cent token that I have, which, from its appearance, was found by a metal detector, is unlisted. I purchased it in 2009, and have not seen another one for sale before or since. It is possible that it is unique, or a least very rare. Alex in PA. and Woods020 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonnieR131 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 The few towns that I know of that are named 'Sidings' are next to a railroad siding. (pass). They usually stay as small towns. I guess that Sidings grew into a Junction. ---- I hope your token is unique, Just Bob. Just Bob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LOCK34 Posted May 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 18, 2021 Houma Cypress Company Ltd trade tokens. Houma, La, Terrebonne Parish. Alex in PA., Woods020 and Just Bob 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOCK34 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Do not know origin of this token. Just Bob and Alex in PA. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOCK34 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Transit tokens. One from New Orleans, La; one from Coral Gables, Fl; one from San Francisco, Ca. Woods020 and Just Bob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOCK34 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 LANZERS trade token. Just Bob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOCK34 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Teddy Roosevelt token. Just Bob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Bill347 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 I didn't really realize how many tokens I had. Some new some old, some just dumb copies. But here you go. Just Bob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Well, Just Bob... you did say "Post 'em if you got 'em." Nice assemblage, gentlemen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Bob Posted May 19, 2021 Author Share Posted May 19, 2021 11 hours ago, ronnie stein said: The few towns that I know of that are named 'Sidings' are next to a railroad siding. (pass). They usually stay as small towns. I guess that Sidings grew into a Junction. ---- I hope your token is unique, Just Bob. When I was researching that token, I ran across a picture of the actual siding for which the town was named. It was just a picture of some railroad tracks side-by-side, with no buildings remaining, so I didn't bother to post it. As for the token being unique: I appreciate the thought, and it may actually be one of only one or two known at the moment, but I have learned that it only takes one discovery of a small hoard to turn a rare token into a common one. I have had that happen on more than one occasion. Several tokens that I bought years ago, which were listed as rarity 9 or 10, and which I paid up for, are now considered common. I remember one in particular that was listed as unique. Then another example of it came up for auction. Then another, and another, then several more followed, until everyone who wanted one had bought one. Now, if one comes up for sale on Ebay or elsewhere, it usually remains unsold. What happened was that someone was digging in an old privy site, and found a bunch that had been dumped in there many years ago, after they had ceased being used. The finder was smart enough to offer them for sale one at a time, instead of dumping them on the market all at once, and was able to get good money for the first few that sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Just Bob Posted May 19, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2021 In Hoghead's thread on tax tokens (Link Here), Cladking mentioned tokens that were issued as change for food stamp purchases. I though I would post a few of the ones that I have. As you can see, while the same reverse design was used on all of the examples - with only the denomination being different - the obverse designs varied quite a bit. Some stores used only their name, while others included the city name, their address, or even a logo. The purpose of the tokens was to prevent change received from food stamp transactions from being used for non-acceptable purchases (alcohol, tobacco, pet food, etc.), by replacing the change from a purchase with a token that could also only be used for approved items. The tokens were color coded, to make it easier for persons who could not read, or persons who were not fluent in English. Henri Charriere, Fenntucky Mike, Hoghead515 and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hoghead515 Posted May 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2021 . Found this cool one on Ebay. I bought it where I'm from KY. And I do lots of canning. Fenntucky Mike, Woods020 and Just Bob 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenntucky Mike Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, Hoghead515 said: . Found this cool one on Ebay. I bought it where I'm from KY. And I do lots of canning. They never specified the size of the bucket. So could I show up with a tractor bucket full? Always hated peeling/canning tomatoes, then we got a Victorio Strainer and that was good, then I stuck a sprocket where the handle was and powered it with a stationary bike and that was better, finally found a small engine and stuck it on there, that was great! Mom hated the fumes, mess, noise, etc. so I had to go back to man power. Just Bob and Hoghead515 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zadok Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 49 minutes ago, Hoghead515 said: . Found this cool one on Ebay. I bought it where I'm from KY. And I do lots of canning. thats cool, at first i thought it mite be hoghead himself pre-beard, but realized it is good ole dan'l boone himself, the guenther brothers founded blue grass canning co. circa 1895....great local history item... Hoghead515 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghead515 Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Fenntucky Mike said: They never specified the size of the bucket. So could I show up with a tractor bucket full? Always hated peeling/canning tomatoes, then we got a Victorio Strainer and that was good, then I stuck a sprocket where the handle was and powered it with a stationary bike and that was better, finally found a small engine and stuck it on there, that was great! Mom hated the fumes, mess, noise, etc. so I had to go back to man power. It's a whole lot of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zadok Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, Fenntucky Mike said: They never specified the size of the bucket. So could I show up with a tractor bucket full? Always hated peeling/canning tomatoes, then we got a Victorio Strainer and that was good, then I stuck a sprocket where the handle was and powered it with a stationary bike and that was better, finally found a small engine and stuck it on there, that was great! Mom hated the fumes, mess, noise, etc. so I had to go back to man power. what was ur carbon foot print?.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghead515 Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Just now, zadok said: thats cool, at first i thought it mite be hoghead himself pre-beard, but realized it is good ole dan'l boone himself, the guenther brothers founded blue grass canning co. circa 1895....great local history item... Thank you. I thought it was pretty interesting also. Especially right here close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenntucky Mike Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, zadok said: what was ur carbon foot print?.... No more than the gas powered meat grinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zadok Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 45 minutes ago, Fenntucky Mike said: No more than the gas powered meat grinder. i guess bout the same as two oxen turning a mill then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fenntucky Mike Posted June 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2021 Here's a couple of pics of a postcard, postmarked 1943, of downtown Fennville with the store front visible on the right side of the pic. For me, postcards are an essential piece of my token/scrip collection as most of the business are long gone, as well as some of the buildings. A postcard is probably one of the best ways to catch a glimpse of these stores while still in operation. If you were to take a picture of downtown today it would look much the same as most of the buildings pictured are still standing. Hoghead515, Alex in PA., Woods020 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghead515 Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Fenntucky Mike said: Here's a couple of pics of a postcard, postmarked 1943, of downtown Fennville with the store front visible on the right side of the pic. For me, postcards are an essential piece of my token/scrip collection as most of the business are long gone, as well as some of the buildings. A postcard is probably one of the best ways to catch a glimpse of these stores while still in operation. If you were to take a picture of downtown today it would look much the same as most of the buildings pictured are still standing. Very cool stuff. I love looking at the old historical buildings in pictures. I've seen old ones of my hometown with dirt streets and horses. The same old buildings are still there. Just blacktop now. Well most of the buildings. A couple has been torn down. And some meth heads burned down a couple when their meth lab blowed up. Edited June 1, 2021 by Hoghead515 Fenntucky Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hoghead515 Posted June 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2021 Here's a couple I got from my home state. I've been wanting to get a few from KY when I can. Fenntucky Mike, Woods020 and Just Bob 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenntucky Mike Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 55 minutes ago, Hoghead515 said: Very cool stuff. I love looking at the old historical buildings in pictures. I've seen old ones of my hometown with dirt streets and horses. The same old buildings are still there. Just blacktop now. Well most of the buildings. A couple has been torn down. And some meth heads burned down a couple when their meth lab blowed up. Those post cards are very helpful, I have a whole mitt full of the little towns in my area. For example in the postcard above there is I.O.O.F. painted on the building, I just noticed this, and I did not know that there may have been a local lodge in the past. If there was it means that there probably is an I.O.O.F. token/medal with that lodge number stamped on it and possibly another piece for me to try and acquire. I've tried to limit myself to just my local county instead of the entire state but I may venture out in the future. Hoghead515 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Woods020 Posted June 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2021 I had been keeping an eye out for this token and found one of the top pops for this die pair. Alabama was a single merchant state regarding civil war tokens. There are 32 varieties known of the White & Swann tokens with a total maximum population of about 175 pieces per current rarity ratings (R-8 to R-10 depending on token) The origin of White & Swann is unknown. Based on research I have a suspicion that the two names mentioned stem from the following: Swann Farms was a large player during the time and still operates as a 6th generation farm in the Huntsville area. James White and Andrew Beirne were Virginia gentlemen, of the old school, both scions of old and influential families of the Old Dominion, with many of the virtues of the vices of that splendid type of the Anglo American known as the Old Virginia cavalier stock. James White was for a time in partnership with Alexander Gilbreath, the pioneer merchant in the county. James White was a man of considerable means and invested largely in real estate, owning with other property a fine body of land on both sides of Tennessee river near Whitesburg, which town received its name from him. He was blessed with a large family, of which Thomas W. White and Gen’l Ad. White are the representatives in Alabama, many of his descendants living in Virginia, where the family owned a large property. Just Bob, Fenntucky Mike, Alex in PA. and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghead515 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 4 hours ago, Woods020 said: I had been keeping an eye out for this token and found one of the top pops for this die pair. Alabama was a single merchant state regarding civil war tokens. There are 32 varieties known of the White & Swann tokens with a total maximum population of about 175 pieces per current rarity ratings (R-8 to R-10 depending on token) The origin of White & Swann is unknown. Based on research I have a suspicion that the two names mentioned stem from the following: Swann Farms was a large player during the time and still operates as a 6th generation farm in the Huntsville area. James White and Andrew Beirne were Virginia gentlemen, of the old school, both scions of old and influential families of the Old Dominion, with many of the virtues of the vices of that splendid type of the Anglo American known as the Old Virginia cavalier stock. James White was for a time in partnership with Alexander Gilbreath, the pioneer merchant in the county. James White was a man of considerable means and invested largely in real estate, owning with other property a fine body of land on both sides of Tennessee river near Whitesburg, which town received its name from him. He was blessed with a large family, of which Thomas W. White and Gen’l Ad. White are the representatives in Alabama, many of his descendants living in Virginia, where the family owned a large property. Very cool token. Glad you found one my friend. That's awesome. Woods020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Bob Posted June 2, 2021 Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 In 1911, Phil Greenwald opened Greenwald Drugs in Vicksburg, MS. It was a branch location of Keefe and Greenwald Grocers, which he co-owned with Patrick Keefe, Jr. The only denomination issued was a 5 cent token. This token is rare, with only a handful known to exist. Alex in PA. and Fenntucky Mike 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Just Bob Posted June 9, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2021 History by Gil Hoffman: David Burney Fox was born November 11, 1865 at Louisville, MS. He entered the business world in 1885 as the junior member of the firm of Gaston & Fox, at Enterprise, MS He subsequently spent six years at State Line, MS with Cragin & Nobles and was later in the lumber business at Yellow Pine, AL. In 1902 Fox returned to Mississippi and formed a partnership with R. B. Gunn, at Fox, Jones County (near Ovett) under the name Gunn & Fox. In October 1902, 600 acres of timber, including a mill site, was purchased about two miles west of Ovett. Machinery for a new Wheland circular mill was purchased in December 1903 and the mill constructed in early 1904. On September 3, 1906 Fox bought the interest of Gunn for $7,500 and continued the operation under his own name. By December 1911 a standard gauge logging railroad had been built. In September 1914 the mill was closed down because of a shortage of timber, but was reopened in early 1916 and the logging railroad rebuilt. This mill had a cutting capacity of 35,000 feet per day. In late 1917 the mill at Fox was dismantled and moved to Alene, on the New Orleans & Northeastern Railroad, about three miles north of Moselle. The mill at Alene was of the circular type and had a cutting capacity of 50,000 feet per day. In 1930 Fox established another sawmill at Fountain, Alabama. The mill at Alene operated continuously from 1918 until Fox's death on September 4, 1931. Not long ago, I asked an elderly gentleman that lived in Ovett if he knew D. B. Fox. He told me that Mr. Fox was so rich that he made his own money. The next time I saw him, I showed him these tokens. He said, "Yep, that's it." In addition to the 10, 25, and 50 cent tokens that I have, there were also 5 cent and one dollar tokens made. Alex in PA., Woods020 and Fenntucky Mike 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...