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I always wonder at the audacity of this. In what universe do people imagine that it makes sense to post such a question without images that show what they're talking about? I have no problem with the fundamental question, just beggars all reason that we should somehow be able to answer that from a simple written description.

I get that photography is difficult and irritating. I loathe doing it. That's why I never do it unless I really, really care about the answer, and always on other forums that are more germane to my interests. But if you want it explained, and you won't show us what you want explained...nothing to be said or done but shake one's head.

Guys, is it as simple as that, that photography is hard and people are trying to get out of it if possible? I mean, that's what I'd be doing myself, if I were so out of touch with reality that I imagined anyone could help me without photography. As in, if I could get away with it--which no one can, least of all me.

On 5/7/2024 at 10:37 AM, Praneet sadana said:

Thanks. Will it effect the value? I think I paid like 30 dollar for it few years back. 

Nah. There are enough contact marks that I don't think this one rises to the level of damage. It's just a contact mark that happened to nail it right on the MM.

Good photos. Well done.
The zoomed photo makes me think the mint mark took an external impact after the mint. It's not rare for an uncirculated Morgan to get a contact mark that slams right into the mint mark.

Yes, it's Panamanian.

It's a valid question. The coin looks odd; color weird, stars muddy, level of detail on devices is not that consistent with the circulated look of the fields. I suppose the pro-authenticity stance would see the deformed UNUM as a PMD impact wound. However, what is on the back of UNUM is where the AR of 'dollar' is, if I'm mentally flipping the coin over properly. Normally it's pretty hard to hit a coin hard enough to mess it up without doing something to the reverse, kind of the way big meteor strikes on small planetoids can send an impact wave clear through them (Mercury has a huge one of these). So I'm really not sure which way to lean.

Depends which coin. Photos would help. For best results, please read the forum guidelines on photography. We can't help with anything we can't see.

We are not shown both sides, but if the reverse looks like the obverse, it's basically worth the copper value.

On 5/4/2024 at 8:16 PM, Duzzitmatter said:

Whoa calm down. Breath in Breath out. It's OK man I only did best I could

Sometimes you have to improve your best in order for people to be much help to you. There's this fact that we have to be able to see all of the coin clearly in order to diagnose the situation and in some cases explain the diagnosis.

We get that most people will not read the posting guidelines (why be bothered? those are for other people), but if they are then told that their photography is inadequate to a full diagnosis, they should assume that we have a reason for saying so. No one failed to be calm; someone simply told you the truth.

On 5/2/2024 at 7:42 PM, cobymordet said:

 

What is the legitimate site to purchase the Krause pdf files?

I bought mine some years back on Amazon, cost me about $35 each. You'd have to find used ones now. They are useless for price purposes but fantastic for text searching.

Can probably help you with the Ottoman when the time comes.

I am not sure how misc bin prices work in the Canadian market, but most of those coins would typically sell for US$0.20 or less down here. Not discouraging you from paying what they ask for what you want, just pointing out that down here we'd consider most of those overpriced at neighborhood of US$0.85 each. Most dealers have an assortment can and fair typical prices are 5-6 for US$1. You could collect one hell of a lot of rather interesting pieces for a chunker less money. Then in time you could spend the savings on a pdf version Krause guide, which would empower you to attribute most of them, and really be independent. It seems like basically no money now, but once you've bought a few hundred the difference will be adding up.

On 5/2/2024 at 9:58 AM, VKurtB said:

I really DO NOT CARE if anyone is offended, truly I do not.  

It's sad when people reach the level of self-parody. It's like watching someone brag about kicking puppies and dumping used oil on the ground, and acting as if this is a thing to brag about. I'm not easily moved to pity for people whose whole basic MO is to take pride in cruelty, but I'm actually starting to feel sorry for you.

There are people simply asking questions; they don't know the terms or parameters, anything, but the questions are polite if misguided. We can educate them. Most of us were them once. No one needs to be a jerk to them.

There are people who ask questions, don't like the answers, then argue and become rude. On those, I seek no mercy. You don't like the answer, great, go find another answer, but that was ours.

The hypocrisy that I find most disgusting is to inflict the punishments deserved by the second group on the first one, and then to lie to oneself and others about one's motives. That's contemptible.

The OP is right. Anyone who doesn't want to answer basic newbie questions, it's okay if they don't come here and do so. Anyone who can't be polite until people are rude to us, fine, sod off, I'm okay with it.

On 5/1/2024 at 3:48 PM, VKurtB said:

Yes, calling out ignorance is my crusade. Read. Study. Listen. THEN opine about what happened to a coin. What makes it far worse is that there seem to be tens of thousands of people like our OP out there. It takes a metaphorical “2x4 upside the head” to get their attention. “Nuclear weapon polemics” if you will. 

And it's obviously achieving your goal. Ignorance is decreasing everywhere around you, all thanks to your saintliness. I've seen a 16% drop this week alone!

At least stop deceiving yourself, and trying to deceive us, about your motives.

On 5/1/2024 at 3:41 PM, VKurtB said:

I admittedly have a nearly nonexistent appetite for ignorance. 

That's always the favorite deflection, isn't it? This crusade? I do not buy it.

On 5/1/2024 at 2:45 PM, Med azzy said:

Anyone can tell me if its fake 

It's fake.

On 5/1/2024 at 12:41 PM, VKurtB said:

Hmm. Which is more likely? Either it is post-mint damage (yes), or it is an “error” that has been flopping around in commerce unnoticed for 66 years waiting to be found by our OP (no). What is CLEARLY at work here, not JUST by this OP but by her entire generation, is to redefine words to make them mean what they would prefer them to mean. This generation’s proclivity in this arena is nearing a comedic state. 
 

Words mean things and in order for words to have value, their meanings should be mostly static, with very rare exceptions. 

You manage to turn an abraded 1958 wheatie into a reason to hurt someone who was doing you no harm. Wow. Coins, weaponized.

I think what you should do is indict not just her but her whole f-bombing generation (which you are not even f-bombing able to know because I'm not aware her birth certificate is available here), simply because something about the way she posed an innocent and minor question offended your sense of how words should be used. In other news, did you see anyone drop a gum wrapper today that you feel should be drawn and quartered for that? Good gods. That guy didn't stop for a stop sign; got your RPG-7 handy?

Hey, folks, someone seems to have accidentally used a word in a way Kurt doesn't like. Shall we go on an anti-generational rampage? (Which generation?) Where the hell is all our musketry for a firing squad? I thought sure we had gallows in the warehouse.

That happens in circulation.

No, it was after it left the mint. It's worn and granulated, probably from being in the ground.

Agree. Something's off. With a coin that has light wear, we should be seeing WE start to wear off. Instead we get the granularity in protected areas, and that's inconsistent with the real thing.

There might be Ebay interest, though not for big money. It's worth at least most of the normal Ag value of a Barb dime. The issue is I'm not sure what the engraving means, which would kind of be a major mover because if someone were looking and it said certain initials and that's exactly what they wanted, it's like they don't much care how much it costs. Other than that, you're hoping for a collector who doesn't yet have one, but probably the spending interest is less.

On 4/28/2024 at 2:41 PM, Bel_Izeard said:

Hmm, I didn't know to do that. Is there a special tool for that or just tapping them with a hammer. The only hammer I have is a full size one, and I don't want to accidentally hit the coins. Heh.

I use a regular pliers and am very careful. Here's the secret: do not align the grooves of the pliers with the staples. Go at an angle, like 45 degrees. Give room for the tips to squeeze out from under and dig into the cardboard.

Nice to have another of the eh-Team on board here. I didn't know we had any; 'Stang never mentioned, or I never saw. Tough life impacts you had there, man, hang in.

I like pre-Confederation stuff especially, and I appreciate the straightforwardness of the RCNA grading system. The Charlton book is a wonder. I had to get one in order to help some good friends up in Trail get their folks' collection squared away and enjoyed the learning.

I don't know if you care at all about registry sets, but if you do, evidently one of our local collectors has like the champion Canadian cent set. I can ask for details if you'd be interested in seeing it.

Nope. I'd say that looks like die deterioration doubling from the pattern. No premium applies.

On 4/22/2024 at 2:07 PM, ThePhiladelphiaPenny said:

Agreed. Also, why would somebody go through the trouble of replating it, just to release it into circulation, this is a roll find after all.... I'd say it's a proof. Worth 10 dollars maybe?

Might not have happened that way. I've seen 1950s wheaties that were quite obviously plated and looked very much like this one. Sometimes kids steal from Bampaw's collection, or something else happens to dump them into circulation that was not the intent of whoever plated it (whatever that intent might even have been). I still think it's replated, but I don't really care about the end result.

On 4/21/2024 at 12:11 PM, powermad5000 said:

Everything we had at that shop was ancient as far as tooling went. We had them from 1" all the way down to 3/16". There may have been a 1/8" one originally but if there was I am sure it got so trashed someone probably threw it out. It was a cool set, but most of them were well worn out and when management was asked to get us new ones because most of them only cut half the rubber out of the hole, we got the standard answer of "Well, just try to sharpen them somehow and get them to work".

Ours lived in the dies. We served the Alaska fishing fleet out of Ballard, and the customer would pay a die charge for which we would construct a die of the correct size. The punches were part of the die and never came out again until the steel rule got so worn we had to re-rule the die. I never saw them used loose.