StrikeOutXXX

One of my favorite links here:

https://archive.org/details/RG104Sequence77Box7Folder7/page/n79/mode/1up

Includes this - it's from 1973, but the same sentiment was in earlier letters from the mint I don't seem to have bookmarked unfortunately.  When I first saw the thread, I told myself for sure Roger would post some letters from NARA

There are a lot of other interesting topics in the pages of that link too.

Yea Roger - The 1796 coin is a bit early for most women adjusters - but maybe Sarah Waldrake or Rachel Summers worked on it as they started in 1795.

Males/Females - I still think in my mind "give me that gold my pretty" (Or silver if that's the case)

On 2/3/2022 at 11:39 PM, Hoghead515 said:

I just got done reading about the adjusters today. The coin I posted above dosent have anything to do with them. Be cool if someone had a coin to post with file marks from adjusters. Would let newbies like me see the differance between adjustment marks, drawbench marks, and damage. 

 

The obverse of this coin has some remaining marks from filing that striking didn't obscure.

It's funny - in my own mind, when I think of adjusters, I drift to a Wicked Witch of the West type scenario with the adjusting lady/ladies in their wicked voice saying - give me that gold my pretty and filing grains at a time.

Judging by the auction catalog - with prices annotated - it's likely the outcome was they were sold.

https://archive.org/details/catalogueofvalua00lowl_2/mode/2up?q=june+28+1887+auction

Been a long time since I've updated this, I mostly keep it up to date ATS - but here is the current census (38 known) and new this week is a new Top Pop - an NGC AU55!!.

Few things I need:

I have pictures for all but one coin if anyone owns/knows the owner if I could get pics of: coin 22 (PCGS VG8) currently in the jwinter(2) registry set

Info on the recently graded NGC AU55 - Story how it was found/where it came from - Would like some close-up pictures of the motto if possible.

Below is the census as they are found (1-38), then sorted by condition census, then sales history by price as well as sales history chronologically.

Still waiting for the first Uncirculated example, although an AU55 is still pretty exciting!

========================= *** Current Census *** ==============================
Please let me know if you know of any changes or additional pieces

1) PCGS VF-20 (CAC) (From ANACS VF-20) Discovery piece (StrikeOutXXX / Jeff Sam) > Leo Frese > Great Collections (8/16 - $3,960 (3600 + 360)) (2/26/17 Great Collections - $4,290 (3900 + 390)) > jwinter Reg Set
PCGS Cert: 545047.20/81388342 - ANACS Cert was: 4815681
Stage A

2) NGC AU Details - Environmental Damage - Confirmation piece - John Hodson
Cert: 4270926-001
Stage A

3) PCGS VG-8 (From ANACS VG-8) - Bulk over the counter B&M Purchase (KearneyCC / Bjorn Bergstrom) > Leo Frese > Rich Uhrich > 9/7/2018 Heritage - $2,880 > Larry Martin Registry Set
Cert: 545047.08/32476123
Stage A

4) PCGS XF-40 (From ANACS EF-40)- small show Portland, OR (Dealer folder unattributed) - (jtlee321/Justin) > Leo Frese > ? > 2/14/16 - Great Collections ($9,075 ($8,250 + $825)) - 8/22/18 ANA S&B = $7,800
Cert: 545047.40/25606326 (Regraded from PCGS XF-40 Cert: 545047.40/29996937)
Stage B

5) NGC - G6 - Owner Unknown - In 2021, Littleton Coin Company has one of the two NGC G6 (coin 5 or 6) listed for sale for $2,575
Cert: 3837672-003
Stage B

6) NGC G6 - Owner Unknown - In 2021, Littleton Coin Company has one of the two NGC G6 (coin 5 or 6) listed for sale for $2,575
Cert: 3837672-004
Stage A

7) NGC G4 - Owner Unknown - Littleton Coin Company had this for sale in 2021
Cert: 3837672-005
Stage B

8) PCGS XF-45 - Shown to Rick Snow in Baltimore 7/15 - Rick acquired 7/16 > Dimeman 10/2016
Cert: 545047.45/81423166
Stage A

9) AG Details - Damaged - Roll searching, Alan Davis -Cointalk forums
RAW
Stage A

10) Good - 90% Merc bag find - Natchez14 - (NGC Message Boards)
RAW
Stage B

11) VG - 3/18/16 auction listed on eBay raw - owner unknown (seller: flcoins - $2,250)
RAW
Stage A

12) PCGS AG-3 - Owner Unknown > (eBay seller: cbcoins03)
Cert: 545047.03/80661866 - 6/18/20 - Sold for $1,224 Stacks & Bowers ($1,020 + $204 BP)
Stage B

13) NGC AG-3 - (Consigned to eBay seller: boyernumismatics) Was a dealer inventory roll find. > Sold for undisclosed 4-figure amount 5/2017. $1,399.99 - eBay 11/21/17
Cert: 2687209-003
Stage A

14) PCGS - GENUINE EdgeDmg - F Details > (eBay seller: fresebrothers)
Cert: 545047.98/80510296 > 10/9/18 on eBay again seller: acoinshop > 3/2019 sold to InGodWeTrustCoins
Stage B

15) PCGS G4 (CAC) (Pop reports, owner unknown) - 8/22/19 eBay BIn - $2,750 (westcoastcoinsoregon)
Cert: 545047.04/81179058
Stage A

16) NGC AG-3 - (eBay seller: dwp23/Forum Member CLC2010) - Local Show Junk Bin (7/7/16 - eBay $816.66 + .99 Ship)
Cert: 4231740-003
Stage A

17) PCGS FR-2 (CAC) - Dennis Tarrant (Numisma) & Victor Romero - Bag Searching > GreatCollections (9/4/16 - GC $606.83 ($551.66 + $55.17))
Cert: 545047.02/81692204 > 1/2/18 Sold by Gerry Fortin via www.seateddimevarieties.com for $1,475
Stage A

18) PCGS VG-10 Sandman70gt - older unnoticed eBay set purchase
Cert: 545047.10/81866568
Stage B

19) PCGS - GENUINE - Cleaning - AG Details (Junk silver find - eBay 10/23/16 sold without DDO in auction for $203.53)
Cert: 545047.92/81862971 > Resold on eBay with proper listing - $725.00 eBay 3/6/17
Stage B

20) NGC VG-10 - Owner Unknown
Cert: 4334552-004
Stage A

21) NGC AG-3 - (eBay seller: reputablediamondbuyers) - Sold 11/15/17 for "Best Offer Accepted" of $770 + $2.66 Shipping - 12/24/17 - Sold through ARSave Collectables Website www.arsave.com for $2,195
Cert: 2713742-003
Stage A

22) PCGS VG-8 - New to pop report 7/2017 - jwinter(2) Registry Set
Cert: 545047.08/84200019
Stage Unknown (I need pictures of this one)

23) NGC AG-3 - Greg Allen Coins, LLC - 90% bag searching - Sold eBay 8/24/18 $1,649.99 Buy It Now
Cert: 4355126-010
Stage A

24) PCGS AG-3 - eBay Seller: kearneycc - 90% bag searching - sold $1,599.99 eBay 10/27/17 BIN
Cert: 545047.03/34199108
Stage A

25) PCGS AG-3 - Forum member jdimmick found in bag of mercs - sold $1,977.00 eBay 7/18/18
Cert: 545047.03/35756830
Stage A

26) NGC AG-3 - r/coins Reddit User wordisborn reported it 4/4/19 (NGC Cert 8/19) - eBay 8/19/19 $1,807.50 ($1,799 + 8.50 Shipping)
Cert: 4740706-002
Stage B

27) PCGS F-12 - New to census May, 2019. Sold 4/23/20 Heritage's Central State Auction - $3,240
Cert: 545047.12/37354680
Stage B

28) PCGS AG-3 - Found in a bag of world silver by jdimmick. Heavy scratches on Obverse. Sold in true eBay auction 9/23/19 for $547 (didn't have DDO or FS-101 in auction title). Buyer relisted it on 9/27/19 with a $1750 BIN or Best offer, sold 9/28/19 for $1600 (Hansen).
Cert: 545047.03/38449534
Stage A

29) PCGS AG-3 (New to pop reports early 11/2019) - eBay 11/2019 seller: stampandcoinplace 12/19 - kearneycc - Sold eBay BIN of $1,499.99 1/25/21
Cert: 545047.03/38396792
Stage B

30) PCGS Genuine - Environmental Damage - G Details - Obverse scratches, reverse discoloration, porous surfaces/environmental damage perhaps - eBay Seller typecoinkid - sold 11/18/19 while raw for Best offer of $550 (Listed at $749.95 OBO) - sold eBay regular auction 1/26/20 for $388.00. - 6/22/21 - eBay BIN $595 bought by ARSave Collectibles.
Cert: 545047.97/38639540
Stage A

31) PCGS AG-3 (New to pop reports late 11/2019) - Sold 1/26/20 $1,350 ($1,200 bid + $150 BP) Great Collections
Cert: 545047.03/38353212
Stage A

32) PCGS G4 - Found in dealer stock Feb 2020 - Sold 5/10/20 $1914.75 ($1,702 bid + $212.75 BP) Great Collections. 4/30/21 - Listed on David Lawrence Rare Coins Auctions, did not sell, 5/2021 - on ebay for $2,650 OBO
Cert: 545047.04/39143922
Stage A

33) PCGS AG-3 - Found by RockyMtnProspector Cherrypicked himself in old Whitman Album bought between '13-15
Cert: 545047.03/40438820. Sold 12/5/21 $1125 ($1000 bid + 125 BP) Great Collections
Stage A

34) PCGS G-4 - New to Pop Reports Feb '21, on eBay Apr '21, seller bonserandgamboa did not sell with $1,650 OBO - Bought from local coin dealer who found it in 90% bulk silver. October 6-10 2021 Long Beach Expo US Coins Signature® Auction #1334 - Sold 10/10/21 for $2640 ($2200 + $440 BP)
Cert: 545047.04/41431374
Stage B

35) PCGS AG-3 (CAC) - New to Pop Reports April 2021. Sold 7/6/21 $1,140 Heritage Auctions
Cert: 545047.03/41819842
Stage A

36) PCGS FR-2 Member BWRC found in an eBay lot of dimes 6/2021. Sold 9/7/21 $660 ($550 bid + $110 BP) Heritage
Cert: 545047.02/42653019
Stage B

37) Raw Estimate problem free AG - Reddit member wordisborn discovered and posted 12/8/21
Raw
Stage B

38) NGC AU-55 - New to Pop Reports Dec 2021. Awaiting more details
Cert: 6071356-001
Stage A



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CONDITION CENSUS:

Census coin #, grade, (Stage B if so)

Certified Straight Grade or Problem-Free Raw
(38) NGC AU-55
(8) PCGS XF-45
(4) PCGS XF-40 (B)
(1) PCGS VF-20 (CAC)
(27) PCGS F-12 (B)
(18) PCGS VG-10 (B)
(20) NGC VG-10
(3) PCGS VG-8
(22) PCGS VG-8
(11) RAW - VG
(5) NGC G-6 (B)
(6) NGC G-6
(15) PCGS G-4 (CAC)
(32) PCGS G-4
(34) PCGS G-4 (B)
(7) NGC G-4 (B)
(10) RAW - Good (B)
(35) PCGS AG-3 (CAC)
(12) PCGS AG-3 (B)
(24) PCGS AG-3
(25) PCGS AG-3
(28) PCGS AG-3
(29) PCGS AG-3 (B)
(31) PCGS AG-3
(33) PCGS AG-3
(13) NGC AG-3
(16) NGC AG-3
(21) NGC AG-3
(23) NGC AG-3
(26) NGC AG-3 (B)
(37) Raw - AG (B)
(17) PCGS FR-2 (CAC)
(36) PCGS FR-2

Issues/Problem Coins
(2) NGC AU Details - Environmental Damage
(14) PCGS F Details - Genuine - Edge Dmg (B)
(30) PCGS G Details - Genuine - Environmental Damage
(19) PCGS AG Details - Genuine - Cleaning (B)
(9) RAW - AG Details, Damaged

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SALES HISTORY BY PRICE:
There have been several completed “Public” sales so far. Prices include buyers premium, and eBay shipping where applicable. Private sales will be included if desired and verifiable.

(8) PCGS XF45 - $10,000 (10/2017 - Private Sale: Rick Snow > Dimeman)
(4) PCGS XF40 - $9,075 (2/14/16 GC)
(4) PCGS XF40 - $7,800 (8/22/18 - Stacks & Bowers ANA)
(1) PCGS VF20 (CAC) - $4,290 (2/26/17 GC)
(1) PCGS VF20 (CAC) - $3,960 (8/21/16 GC)
(27) PCGS F12 - $3,240 (4/23/20 Heritage)
(3) PCGS VG8 - $2,880 (9/7/18 Heritage)
(15) PCGS G4 (CAC) - $2,750 (8/22/19 - eBay Buy It Now)
(34) PCGS G4 - $2,640 (10/10/21 - Heritage) via Long Beach Expo US Coins Signature® Auction #1334
(14) PCGS F Details - $2,250 (9/28/19 - eBay Buy It Now)
(11) Raw VG - $2,250 (7/2016 eBay)
(21) NGC AG3 - $2,195 (12/24/17 - Sold through ARSave Collectables Website www.arsave.com)
(25) PCGS AG3 - $1,977 (7/18/18 eBay)
(32) PCGS G4 - $1914.75 ($1,702 bid + $212.75 BP) Great Collections 5/10/20
(26) NGC AG3 - $1,807.50 (8/19/19 - eBay)
(23) NGC AG3 - $1,649.99 (8/24/18 - eBay Buy It Now)
(28) PCGS AG3 - $1,600 (9/28/19 - eBay Best Offer Accepted) Relisted right after buying cheap with keywords in title
(24) PCGS AG3 - $1,599.99 (10/27/17 eBay - Buy It Now)
(29) PCGS AG3 - $1,499.99 (1/25/21 eBay - Buy It Now)
(17) PCGS FR2 (CAC) - $1,475 (1/2/18 - Sold through Gerry Fortin's website - seateddimevarieties.com)
(13) NGC AG3 - $1,399.99 (11/21/17 eBay)
(31) PCGS AG3 - $1,350 ($1,200 bid + $150 BP) Great Collections 1/26/20
(12) PCGS AG3 - $1,224 ($1,020 bid + $204 BP) Stacks & Bowers June Auction - 6/18/20
(35) PCGS AG3 (CAC) - $1140 (7/6/21 Heritage)
(33) PCGS AG3 - $1125 ($1000 bid + $125 BP) Great Collections 12/5/21
(16) NGC AG3 - $817.65 (9/2016 eBay)
(21) NGC AG3 - $772.66 (11/15/17 eBay Best Offer)
(19) PCGS Genuine AG Details - Cleaning $725 (3/6/17 eBay) Resold with proper auction title
(36) PCGS FR2 - $660.00 (9/7/21 Heritage)
(17) PCGS FR2 (CAC)- $606.83 (9/4/16 GC)
(30) PCGS G Details - Genuine - Environmental Damage - $595 (3/22/21 eBay BIN) 6/22/21
(30) Raw G Details - $550 Best Offer Accepted (Listed at $749.95 or BO) (11/18/19 eBay)
(28) PCGS AG3 - $547 (9/23/19 eBay) - Heavy obverse marks/scratches - Auction title lacking DDO or FS101
(30) PCGS G Details - Genuine - Environmental Damage - $388.00 (1/26/20 eBay)
(19) PCGS Genuine AG Details - Cleaning $203.53 (Not listed as DDO in auction) (10/2016 eBay)

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(4) PCGS XF40 - 8/2017 - Stacks/Bowers August 2017 ANA - Session 4 - Rarities Night - No Sale (Reserve Not Met of $8,000)
(4) PCGS XF40 - 5/3/17 Stacks/Bowers May 2017 Collectors Choice Online Auction - No Sale (Reserve Not Met of $7,500)
(3) PCGS VG8 - 8/3/16 Stacks/Bowers August 2016 Collectors Choice Online Auction - No Sale (Reserve Not Met of $3,400)
(3) PCGS VG8 - 3/2018 Stacks/Bowers March 2018 Baltimore - Session 6 - U.S. Coins - No Sale (Reserve Not Met of $2,500)

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SALES HISTORY CHRONOLOGICALLY:

(33) PCGS AG3 - $1125 ($1000 bid + $125 BP) Great Collections 12/5/21
(34) PCGS G4 - $2,640 (10/10/21 - Heritage) via Long Beach Expo US Coins Signature® Auction #1334
(36) PCGS FR2 - $660 (9/7/21 Heritage)
(35) PCGS AG3 (CAC) - $1140 (7/6/21 Heritage)
(30) PCGS G Details - Genuine - Environmental Damage - $595 (3/22/21 eBay Buy It Now)
(29) PCGS AG3 - $1,499.99 (1/25/21 - eBay Buy It Now)
(12) PCGS AG3 - $1,224 ($1,020 bid + $204 BP) Stacks & Bowers June Auction - 6/18/20
(32) PCGS G4 - $1914.75 ($1,702 bid + $212.75 BP) Great Collections 5/10/20
(27) PCGS F12 - $3,240 (4/23/20 Heritage)
(31) PCGS AG3 - $1,350 ($1,200 bid + $150 BP) Great Collections 1/26/20
(30) PCGS G Details - Genuine - Environmental Damage - $388.00 (1/26/20 eBay)
(30) Raw G Details - $550 Best Offer Accepted (Listed at $749.95 or BO) (11/18/19 eBay)
(14) PCGS F Details - $2,250 (9/28/19 - eBay Buy It Now)
(28) PCGS AG3 - $1,600 (9/28/19 - eBay Best Offer Accepted) Bought and relisted with proper eBay title
(28) PCGS AG3 - $547 (9/23/19 eBay) - Heavy obverse marks/scratches - No DDO or FS101 in title
(15) PCGS G4 (CAC) - $2,750 (8/22/19 - eBay Buy It Now)
(26) NGC AG3 - $1,807.50 (8/19/19 - eBay)
(3) PCGS VG8 - $2,880 (9/7/18 Heritage)
(23) NGC AG3 - $1,649.99 (8/24/18 - eBay Buy It Now)
(4) PCGS XF40 - $7,800 (8/22/18 - Stacks & Bowers ANA)
(25) PCGS AG3 - $1,977 (7/18/18 eBay)
(17) PCGS FR2 (CAC) - $1,475 (1/2/18 - Sold through Gerry Fortin's website - seateddimevarieties.com)
(21) NGC AG3 - $2,195 (12/24/17 - Sold through ARSave Collectables Website www.arsave.com)
(13) NGC AG3 - $1,399.99 (11/21/17 eBay)
(21) NGC AG3 - $772.66 (11/15/17 eBay Best Offer)
(24) PCGS AG3 - $1,599.99 (10/27/17 eBay - Buy It Now)
(8) PCGS XF45 - $10,000 10/2017 - Private Sale: Rick Snow > Dimeman
(19) PCGS Genuine AG Details - Cleaning $725 (3/6/17 eBay) Resold with proper auction title
(1) PCGS VF20 (CAC) - $4,290 (2/26/17 GC)
(19) PCGS Genuine AG Details - Cleaning $203.53 (Not listed as DDO in auction) (10/2016 eBay)
(16) NGC AG3 - $817.65 (9/2016 eBay)
(17) PCGS FR2 (CAC) - $606.83 (9/4/16 GC)
(1) PCGS VF20 (CAC) - $3,960 (8/21/16 GC)
(11) Raw VG - $2,250 (7/2016 eBay)
(4) PCGS XF40 - $9,075 (2/14/16 GC)

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Yikes!  And I thought all the hangings in the US/Colonies in the 1700's/early 1800's for counterfeiting was rough.  They still have an execution cauldron on display in the Netherlands if that's your idea of sightseeing!

I suppose in today's world, resignation letters like those would be all over the Internet and social media, but back then to be in newspapers - and close to the date of resignation (9/18 & 9/21) - makes you wonder if Pollock provided the newspapers with a copy.  He didn't appear to be a "Happy Camper".

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83025925/1866-09-18/ed-1/seq-5/#date1=1866&sort=date&rows=20&words=James+Pollock&searchType=basic&sequence=0&index=8&state=&date2=1867&proxtext=James+Pollock&y=13&x=11&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=5

and

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84038112/1866-09-21/ed-1/seq-2/#date1=1866&sort=date&rows=20&words=James+Pollock&searchType=basic&sequence=0&index=11&state=&date2=1867&proxtext=James+Pollock&y=13&x=11&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=5

I had one of his letters bookmarked when he offered the 1826 Quarter Eagle.  Seems he sold the Mint an 1815 Half Eagle previously as well.

At one point in the first year or so, I updated a thread in 4 of the bigger coin forums.  Today, mostly the post ATS you linked.

When this started, I figured after a few years, there would be hundreds of them known, and keeping a census wouldn't be possible as they would be popping up too frequently.  At just over 6 years now, my census has 34 unique examples, with a likely 35th new to the pop reports I need to chase down details on.  So far, the sales are spread out enough that I can keep up on sales history too with frequent searching, and a lot of help/messages from other forum members.

I thought about doing a downloadable PDF with pictures of all the coins (I have pics of 33 of the 34) and history and such and update that or at one point was going to register 1919DDODIME.com but again... I figured after a year or two, it would be so big it would be impossible to keep up with.

Fast forward 6 years and it could have been done in hindsight, just never did.  Hopefully the Cherrypicker's Guide comes out this year with it featured (June 15th 2021 according to Amazon) and that will jump-start the searching and finding enough where keeping a census is somewhat impractical.  Time will tell.

Oops - 31 on the list (29 names, 2 unknowns).  Let's see how this formats.  Would make an interesting book researching all the death penalties for counterfeiting.  Probably a side of numismatics not very often researched.

Executions in the U.S. 1608-2002: The ESPY File

David:

Poor Thomas Davis would be one example in 1822.

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84024513/1823-01-06/ed-1/seq-2/#date1=1777&index=8&rows=20&words=counterfeiting+executed&searchType=basic&sequence=0&state=&date2=1963&proxtext=executed+for+counterfeiting&y=0&x=0&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1

and:

http://genealogytrails.com/ala/tuscaloosa/news_crime.html

There are 30 folks listed for being executed for Counterfeiting here:

https://files.deathpenaltyinfo.org/legacy/documents/ESPYname.pdf

The Boston Numismatic Society was a frequent requestor of patterns as well.  I saw more in the digitized archives, but only have a few specific letters bookmarked.

Jan 1877 letter requesting to know if more patterns are available since the Trade Dollars, cites a Mint Regulation (Rule 3)?

https://archive.org/details/RG104Entry1Box106GeneralCorrespondenceOctober1876toJanuary1877/page/n753/mode/2up

Dec 1877 letter requesting a set of of patterns

https://archive.org/details/RG104Entry1Box110GeneralCorrespondenceDecember1877toFebruary1878/page/n73/mode/2up

January 1878 letter requesting pattern pieces. Letter references Mint Regulations received Sept 1874 "The Superintendent will furnish without charge on application therefor a pattern piece to any incorporated numismatic society in the United States.  In such case if the pattern is in gold or silver, the value of the metal will be required"   (Could this be Rule #3 referred to in the Jan 1877 letter?)  So... were copper patterns free since it said gold or silver the value will be required?

https://archive.org/details/RG104Entry1Box110GeneralCorrespondenceDecember1877toFebruary1878/page/n411/mode/2up

According to this December 27, 2015 eSylum article, the club's cabinet was donated to the Boston Museum of Fine Arts.

https://www.coinbooks.org/esylum_v18n52a12.html

In the late 1880s, membership in the BNS lagged, due in part to the aging of its members. Meetings became less frequent and, in the latter part of the century, the society donated $300 and its impressive cabinet of numismatic items to the Boston Museum of Fine Arts, and another $300 and its library to the Boston Public Library. Appleton’s death in 1903 left the BNS with but four of its original members.

I searched the Boston Museum of Fine Arts collection - below is link just to Numismatics between 1874 and 1900.  Sadly, most don't have pictures, and I found nothing with a provenance of Boston Numismatic Society.  There are a lot of interesting coins in their collection that do have images (although not BNS ones).

https://collections.mfa.org/search/Objects/beginDate%3A1874%3Bclassifications%3ANumismatics%3BendDate%3A1900/*

Here is Mehl's reply - his $1.00 plus fourteen cents in postage was returned to him and given instructions to send $2 to the appropriate place.

Been over a year since I added any info to this - we only had 4 more show up in 2017 bringing the total up to 24 examples. Here is a copy of the census I keep over at the PCGS Message Boards. Happy New Year - hope you find one this year!.

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Please let me know if you know of any changes or additional pieces

1) PCGS VF-20 (From ANACS VF-20) Discovery piece (StrikeOutXXX / Jeff Sam) > Leo Frese > Great Collections (8/16 - $3,960 (3600 + 360)) (2/26/17 Great Collections - $4,290 (3900 + 390)) > jwinter Reg Set
PCGS Cert: 545047.20/81388342 - ANACS Cert was: 4815681

2) NCS AU-50 Details - Environmental Problems - Confirmation piece - John Hodson
Cert: Unknown

3) PCGS VG-8 (From ANACS VG-8) - Bulk over the counter B&M Purchase (KearneyCC / Bjorn Bergstrom) > Leo Frese > Rich Uhrich
Cert: 545047.08/32476123

4) PCGS XF-40 (From ANACS EF-40)- small show Portland, OR (Dealer folder unattributed) - (jtlee321/Justin) > Leo Frese > ? > 2/14/16 - Great Collections ($9,075 ($8,250 + $825))
Cert: 545047.40/25606326 (Regraded from PCGS XF-40 Cert: 545047.40/29996937)

5) NGC - G6 - Owner Unknown
Cert: 3837672-003

6) NGC - G6 - Owner Unknown
Cert: 3837672-004

7) NGC - G4 - Owner Unknown
Cert: 3837672-005

8) PCGS XF-45 - Shown to Rick Snow in Baltimore 7/15 - Rick acquired 7/16 > Dimeman 10/2016
Cert: 545047.45/81423166

9) AG Details - Damaged - Roll searching, Alan Davis -Cointalk forums
RAW

10) Good - 90% merc bag find - Natchez14 - (NGC Message Boards)
RAW

11) VG - 3/18/16 auction listed on eBay raw - owner unknown (seller: flcoins - $2,250)
RAW

12) PCGS - AG-3 - Owner Unknown > (eBay seller: cbcoins03)
Cert: 545047.03/80661866

13) NGC - AG-3 - (Consigned to eBay seller: boyernumismatics) Was a dealer inventory roll find. > Sold for undisclosed 4-figure amount 5/2017. $1,399.99 - eBay 11/21/17
Cert: 2687209-003

14) PCGS - GENUINE EdgeDmg - F Details > (eBay seller: fresebrothers)
Cert: 545047.98/80510296

15) PCGS - Good (Pop reports, owner unknown)
Cert: Unknown

16) NGC - AG-3 - (eBay seller: dwp23/Forum Member CLC2010) - Local Show Junk Bin (7/7/16 - eBay $816.66 + .99 Ship)
Cert: 4231740-003

17) PCGS - FR-2 - Dennis Tarrant (Numisma) & Victor Romero - Bag Searching > GreatCollections (9/4/16 - GC $606.83 ($551.66 + $55.17))
Cert: 545047.02/81692204

18) PCGS VG-10 Sandman70gt - older unnoticed eBay set purchase
Cert: 545047.10/81866568

19) PCGS - GENUINE - Cleaning - AG Details (Junk silver find - eBay 10/23/16 sold without DDO in auction for $203.53)
Cert: 545047.92/81862971 > Resold on eBay with proper listing - $725.00 eBay 3/6/17

20) NGC - VG-10 - Owner Unknown
Cert: 4334552-004

21) NGC - AG-3 - (eBay seller: reputablediamondbuyers) - Sold 11/15/17 for "Best Offer Accepted" of $770 + $2.66 Shipping
Cert: 2713742-003

22) PCGS VG-8 - New to pop report 7/2017
Cert Unknown

23) NGC AG-3 - Greg Allen Coins, LLC - 90% bag searching
Cert: 4355126-010

24) PCGS - AG-3 - eBay Seller: kearneycc - 90% bag searching - sold $1,599.99 eBay 10/27/17 BIN
Cert: 545047.03/34199108

25) GET TO CHERRYPICKING

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CONDITION CENSUS:

Census coin #, grade

Certified Straight Grade or Problem-Free Raw
(8) PCGS XF-45
(4) PCGS XF-40
(1) PCGS VF-20
(20) NGC VG-10
(18) PCGS VG-10
(3) PCGS VG-8
(22) PCGS VG-8
(11) RAW - VG
(5) NGC G-6
(6) NGC G-6
(7) NGC G-4
(15) PCGS G-4
(10) RAW - Good
(16) NGC AG-3
(13) NGC AG-3
(21) NGC AG-3
(23) NGC AG-3
(12) PCGS AG-3
(24) PCGS AG-3
(17) PCGS FR-2

Issues/Problem Coins
(2) NCS AU-50 Details - Environmental Problems
(14) PCGS F Details - Genuine - Edge Dmg
(19) PCGS AG Details - Genuine - Cleaning
(9) RAW - AG Details, Damaged

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SALES HISTORY BY PRICE:
There have been several completed “Public” sales (eBay and Great Collections) so far. Prices include GC buyers premium, and eBay shipping. Private sales will be included if desired and verifiable.

(8) PCGS XF45 - $10,000 10/2017 - Private Sale: Rick Snow > Dimeman
(4) PCGS XF40 - $9,075 (2/14/2016 GC)
(1) PCGS VF20 - $4,290 (2/26/17 GC)
(1) PCGS VF20 - $3,960 (8/21/2016 GC)
(11) Raw VG - $2,250 (7/2016 eBay)
(24) PCGS AG3 - $1,599.99 (10/27/17 eBay - Buy It Now)
(13) NGC AG3 - $1,399.99 (11/21/17 eBay)
(16) NGC AG3 - $817.65 (9/2016 eBay)
(21) NGC AG3 - $772.66 (11/15/17 eBay Best Offer)
(19) PCGS Genuiine AG Details - Cleaning $725 (3/6/17 eBay) Resold with proper auction title
(17) PCGS FR2 - $606.83 (9/4/2016 GC)
(19) PCGS Genuine AG Details - Cleaning $203.53 (Not listed as DDO in auction) (10/2016 eBay)

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(4) PCGS XF40 - 5/3/17 Stacks/Bowers May 2017 Collectors Choice Online Auction - No Sale (Reserve Not Met of $7,500)
(3) PCGS VG8 - 8/3/16 Stacks/Bowers August 2016 Collectors Choice Online Auction - No Sale (Reserve Not Met of $3,400)

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SALES HISTORY CHRONOLOGICALLY:

(13) NGC AG3 - $1,399.99 (11/21/17 eBay)
(21) NGC AG3 - $772.66 (11/15/17 eBay Best Offer)
(24) PCGS AG3 - $1,599.99 (10/27/17 eBay - Buy It Now)
(8) PCGS XF45 - $10,000 10/2017 - Private Sale: Rick Snow > Dimeman
(19) PCGS Genuiine AG Details - Cleaning $725 (3/6/17 eBay) Resold with proper auction title
(1) PCGS VF20 - $4,290 (2/26/17 GC)
(19) PCGS Genuine AG Details - Cleaning $203.53 (Not listed as DDO in auction) (10/2016 eBay)
(16) NGC AG3 - $817.65 (9/2016 eBay)
(17) PCGS FR2 - $606.83 (9/4/2016 GC)
(1) PCGS VF20 - $3,960 (8/21/2016 GC)
(11) Raw VG - $2,250 (7/2016 eBay)
(4) PCGS XF40 - $9,075 (2/14/2016 GC)

Here is another update - we are up to 20 found so far:

CURRENT CENSUS:

1) PCGS VF-20 (From ANACS VF-20) Discovery piece (StrikeOutXXX / Jeff Sam) > Leo Frese > Great Collections (8/16 - $3,960 (3600 + 360))

PCGS Cert: 545047.20/81388342 - ANACS Cert was: 4815681

2) NCS AU-50 Details - Environmental Problems - Confirmation piece - John Hodson

Cert: Unknown

3) PCGS VG-8 (From ANACS VG-8) - Bulk over the counter B&M Purchase (KearneyCC / Bjorn Bergstrom) > Leo Frese > Rich Uhrich

Cert: 545047.08/32476123

4) PCGS XF-40 (From ANACS EF-40)- small show Portland, OR (Dealer folder unattributed) - (jtlee321/Justin) > Leo Frese > ? > 2/14/16 - Great Collections ($9,075 ($8,250 + $825))

Cert: 545047.40/29996937

5) NGC - G6 - Owner Unknown

Cert: 3837672-003

6) NGC - G6 - Owner Unknown

Cert: 3837672-004

7) NGC - G4 - Owner Unknown

Cert: 3837672-005

8) PCGS XF-45 - Shown to Rick Snow in Baltimore 7/15 - Rick acquired 7/16 & submitted.

Cert: 545047.45/81423166

9) AG Details - Damaged - Roll searching, Alan Davis -Cointalk forums

RAW

10) Good - 90% merc bag find - Natchez14 - (NGC Message Boards)

RAW

11) VG - 3/18/16 auction listed on eBay raw - owner unknown (seller: flcoins - $2,250)

RAW

12) PCGS - AG-3 - Owner Unknown > (eBay seller: cbcoins03)

Cert: 545047.03/80661866

13) NGC - AG-3 - Owner Unknown > (eBay seller: boyernumismatics) - Consigned - Dealer inventory find in dated rolls.

Cert: 2687209-003

14) PCGS - GENUINE EdgeDmg - F Details > (eBay seller: fresebrothers)

Cert: 545047.98/80510296

15) PCGS - Good (Pop reports, owner unknown)

Cert: Unknown

16) NGC - AG-3 - (eBay seller: dwp23/Forum Member CLC2010) - Local Show Junk Bin (7/7/16 - eBay $816.66 + .99 Ship)

Cert: 4231740-003

17) PCGS - FR-2 - Dennis Tarrant (Numisma) & Victor Romero - Bag Searching > GreatCollections (9/4/16 - GC $606.83 ($551.66 + $55.17))

Cert: 545047.02/81692204

18) PCGS VG-10 - Sandman70gt - older unnoticed eBay set purchase

Cert: 545047.10/81866568

19) PCGS - GENUINE - Cleaning - AG Details (Junk silver find - eBay 10/23/16 sold without DDO in listing for $203.53)

Cert: 545047.92/81862971

20) NGC - VG-10 - Owner Unknown

Cert: 4334552-004

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CONDITION CENSUS:

Census coin #, grade

Certified Straight Grade or Problem-Free Raw

(8) PCGS XF-45

(4) PCGS XF-40

(1) PCGS VF-20

(20) NGC VG-10

(18) PCGS VG-10

(3) PCGS VG-8

(11) RAW - VG

(5) NGC G-6

(6) NGC G-6

(7) NGC G-4

(15) PCGS G-4

(10) RAW - Good

(16) NGC AG-3

(13) NGC AG-3

(12) PCGS AG-3

(17) PCGS FR-2

Issues/Problem Coins

(2) NCS AU-50 Details - Environmental Problems

(14) PCGS F Details - Genuine - Edge Dmg

(19) PCGS AG Details - Genuine - Cleaning

(9) RAW - AG Details, Damaged

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SALES HISTORY:

In addition to several exchanging hands privately, there have been 6 completed “Public” sales (eBay and Great Collections) so far. Prices include GC

buyers premium, and eBay shipping.

(4) PCGS XF40 - $9,075 (2/2016 GC)

(1) PCGS VF20 - $3,960 (8/2016 GC)

(11) Raw VG - $2,250 (7/2016 eBay)

(16) NGC AG3 - $817.65 (9/2016 GC)

(17) PCGS FR2 - $606.83 (9/2016 eBay)

(19) PCGS Genuine AG Details - Cleaning $203.53 (Wasn't properly advertised as DDO in auction) (10/2016 eBay)

Haven't updated this thread for a few months. Believe we are up to 17 known (to me) at this time.

New this week:

#16 sold on eBay for $817.65 total a few days ago (NGC - AG3)

#17 has been found (FR-2)

If anyone has further info to keep the census as updated as possible, please let me know.

Thanks!

Edit/Update 8/12/16

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1) PCGS VF-20 (From ANACS VF-20) Discovery piece (StrikeOutXXX / Jeff Sam) > Leo Frese > Great Collections

PCGS Cert: 545047.20/81388342 - ANACS Cert was: 4815681

2) NCS AU-50 Details - Environmental Problems - Confirmation piece - John Hodson

Cert: Unknown

3) PCGS VG-8 (From ANACS VG-8) - Bulk over the counter B&M Purchase (KearneyCC / Bjorn Bergstrom) > Leo Frese > Rich Uhrich

Cert: 545047.08/32476123

4) PCGS XF-40 (From ANACS EF-40)- small show Portland, OR (Dealer folder unattributed) - (jtlee321/Justin) > Leo Frese > ? > Great Collections ($9,075)

Cert: 545047.40/29996937

5) NGC - G6 - Owner Unknown

Cert: 3837672-003

6) NGC - G6 - Owner Unknown

Cert: 3837672-004

7) NGC - G4 - Owner Unknown

Cert: 3837672-005

8) PCGS XF-45 - Shown to Rick Snow in Baltimore 7/15 - Rick acquired 7/16 & submitted.

Cert: 545047.45/81423166

9) AG Details - Damaged - Roll searching, Alan Davis -Cointalk forums

RAW

10) Good - 90% merc bag find - Natchez14 - (NGC Message Boards)

RAW

11) VG - 3/18/16 auction listed on eBay raw - owner unknown (seller: flcoins - $2,250)

RAW

12) PCGS - AG-3 - Owner Unknown > (eBay seller: cbcoins03)

Cert: 545047.03/80661866

13) NGC - AG-3 - Owner Unknown > (eBay seller: boyernumismatics)

Cert: 2687209-003

14) PCGS - GENUINE EdgeDmg - F Details > (eBay seller: fresebrothers)

Cert: 545047.98/80510296

15) PCGS - Good (Pop reports, unsure if new/cross at this time)

Cert: Unknown

16) NGC - AG-3 - (eBay seller: dwp23/Forum Member CLC2010) - Local Show Junk Bin

(7/7 - eBay $816.66 + .99 Ship)

Cert: 4231740-003

17) PCGS - FR-2 - Dennis Tarrant (Numisma) & Victor Romero - Bag Searching > GreatCollections Soon

Cert: Unknown

18) GET TO CHERRYPICKING

Haven't updated this in awhile, but a few more have showed up in pop reports and think 3 are on eBay right now. Pretty sure I have no duplicates thus far as I have pics of them all except the one shown to Rick Snow, will probably be harder to keep a census pretty soon as more come out of the woodwork, but we're up to 14 known (to me).

1) ANACS VF-20 - Discovery piece (StrikeOutXXX / Jeff Sam) > Leo Frese

2) NCS AU-50 Details - Environmental Problems - Confirmation piece - Own inventory - John Hodson

3) PCGS VG-8 unattributed, then ANACS VG-8, back to PCGS VG-8 Attributed - Bulk over the counter B&M Purchase (KearneyCC / Bjorn Bergstrom) > Leo Frese > Rich Uhrich

4) ANACS EF-40 > PCGS XF-40 - small show Portland, OR (Dealer folder unattributed) - (jtlee321/Justin) > Leo Frese > ? > Great Collections ($9,075)

5) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown

6) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown

7) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown

8) XF - Shown to Rick Snow in Baltimore 7/15

9) AG Details - Damaged - Roll searching, Alan Davis -Cointalk forums

10) Good - 90% merc bag find - Natchez14 - (NGC Message Boards)

11) VG - 3/18/16 auction listed on eBay raw - owner unknown (seller: flcoins - $2,250)

12) PCGS - AG-3 - Owner Unknown > (eBay seller: cbcoins03)

13) NGC - AG-3 - Owner Unknown > (eBay seller: boyernumismatics)

14) PCGS - GENUINE EdgeDmg - F Details > (eBay seller: fresebrothers)

15) GET TO CHERRYPICKING

Why wait when you can get the original today. It's now on the bay BIN $11,550.

Go Go Go!

 

In my completely objective (cough) opinion this will be looked at as a screaming bargain in the not too distant future!

I no longer own the Discovery Coin they now have listed in the eBay auction you linked.

I hope they do well with it.

2 others had been on eBay (Listed at $9,999 (the XF-40) and $7,999 (the VG-8)) and ended up selling privately off of eBay.

Still kind of excited to see what the XF-40 will do at Great Collections.

The ANACS XF-40 example is now graded PCGS XF-40 and is being auctioned by our firm.

 

Regards,

 

- Ian

Thanks Ian, I contacted Leo who said he didn't cross it, wasn't aware it changed hands, at least that mystery was solved.

There have been a few sales already of these, with strong prices, albeit dealer to dealer or discoverer to dealer. I'd be real curious what it goes for in a "True Auction" - Best of luck!

FYI - we're up to 10 now:

1) ANACS VF-20 - Discovery piece (StrikeOutXXX / Jeff Sam)

2) NCS AU-50 Details - Environmental Problems - Confirmation piece - Own inventory - John Hodson

3) PCGS VG-8 unattributed, then ANACS VG-8, back to PCGS VG-8 Attributed - Bulk over the counter B&M Purchase (KearneyCC / Bjorn Bergstrom) > Leo Frese > Rich Uhrich

4) ANACS EF-40 > PCGS XF-40 - small show Portland, OR (Dealer folder unattributed) - (jtlee321/Justin) > Leo Frese > Great Collections

5) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown

6) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown

7) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown

8) XF - Shown to Rick Snow in Baltimore 7/15 - No further details yet.

9) AG Details - Damaged - Roll searching, Alan Davis -Cointalk forums.

10) Good - Natchez14 (NGC Message Boards)

From what Jeff has told me, it is still in conservation. So still waiting on the official grade.

Not sure if you caught the post ATS, but the #2 piece is:

NCS AU Details - Environmental Problems

We're still at the 7 reported AND confirmed.

1) ANACS VF-20 - Discovery piece (StrikeOutXXX / Jeff Sam)

2) NCS AU Details - Environmental Problems - Confirmation piece - Own inventory - John Hodson

3) PCGS VG-8 unattributed, then ANACS VG-8, back to PCGS VG-8 Attributed - Bulk over the counter B&M Purchase (KearneyCC / Bjorn Bergstrom)

4) ANACS EF-40 small show Portland, OR (Dealer folder unattributed) - (jtlee321/Justin)

5) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown

6) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown

7) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown

I check NGC/PCGS each day as well as watch the 4 main coin forums that has a thread and eBay. The ANACS population report doesn't break this out on their own any legible way I can tell, so hard to tell if any more are there.

I asked Mr. Gibbs who wrote the Coin World article to let me know if he had any reports of others from folks who maybe don't frequent the forums, or maybe don't care to get things graded, and haven't heard anything from him either. Not sure really where else to check to keep an eye on this. keyman64 keeps his ears open too quite a bit as well.

I'm starting to doubt the claim now. He posts that he has 2 and then disappears? If you truly have them and cannot take any photos right away, at least state that you will when you can. But silence does not help the case.

I'd like to see photos too. If he doesn't post some soon, I'll take those 2 off the unofficial census for now - Back when the Coin World article hit - on their Facebook there were a few false claims there, so it's happened before. We'll see.

I got two of these, both circulated, ungraded, but likely F-12 or close to it. Had them for decades.

 

What impact would this find have on their worth, worth a lot more to collectors now, but what impact would this find have on their Red Book value? anyone want to hazard a guess?

 

I am a numismaphile wetnose, I do not want to even try to answer this question. I am just happy I have two humdrum coins that are no longer humdrum.

Congrats!

Pictures would be great. As Keyman said, yours would be #8 & #9.

These will be in the next Cherrypicker's Guide, probably be in the next Redbook, and likely added to the registries.

Nobody knows value-wise where these will fall, but... there will be quite a nice multiplier of a normal Fine 1919 Merc 8-) I think the first one will be selling in the next few weeks, so we should get our first idea of value before too long.

Here are the known ones (at least to me) I've been keeping track of ATS:

1) ANACS VF20 - Discovery piece (StrikeOutXXX / Jeff Sam)

2) XF Details/Cleaned? - Confirmation piece - Own inventory - John Hodson

3) PCGS VG-8 then ANACS VG-8, heading back to PCGS for Attribution - Bulk over the counter B&M Purchase (KearneyCC / Bjorn Bergstrom)

4) High VF? - Raw small show Portland, OR (Dealer folder unattributed) - jtlee321/Justin

5) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown

6) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown

7) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown

8) Fine - T2000 (NGC Forums)

9) Fine - T2000 (NGC Forums)

10) GET TO CHERRYPICKING!!!

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