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Lost in the haze of '69. . .

Lost in the 60's tonight. Looks like the "S" mint mark was filled with a die chip?

. . . just the wrong kind

Hi and welcome to the forum. I don't see a 1961 coin, just 2 1962's. Also, a couple of your photos are blurred. Unfortunately, I cannot definitively see the DDO on either coin, but sometimes it can be deceptive with certain lighting. If possible, please take clear and cropped photos of OBV/REV for each coin. The first coin pictured seems discolored in the lower left field. I am surprised it would get as high as 69/70, but I am not well enough versed in grading to provide a learned opinion. Better photos will allow for additional inspection and a more accurate determination.

I would think natural toning of a coin would be less formed. That may not make sense because I can't seem to find the right word. Your coin, the OBV has a clear outer ring and the REV has a clear ring separating center from rim, it seems unnatural to me. I get what causes toning, but I can't fathom how it presents on many coins. Like snowflakes, no two seem alike. I do like some of the toning I have seen on various coins but I suspect nearly everyone of them to be artificial. I have a few naturally toned coins and mine seem very minimal as opposed to many coins like the coin you presented. The more pronounced, the less I believe. . . and I want to believe! I have played with artificial toning and it got ridiculous. I have also found that some methods of cleaning a coin creates a toning of sorts. I don't think I would spend good money on a raw coin with fanatical toning, maybe on a high TPG graded coin. I would love to post some of my toners but I can't get an adequate angle to capture it.

Thanks, I figured that was likely, but I get brain cramps if I think too hard about it. Next up, 21 1970-S's. . . lol, relax I learned my lesson.

I thought NGC stood for Numismatic Gnome Conglomerate. I read somewhere it began after the Lollipop Guild folded. I would imagine certain people grade the same type of coin regularly and if an anomaly arises, they ask the head gnome for assistance. Now I am curious to know how many gnomes it takes to change a light bulb. I would also add that if there is such a wait for grading coins, then it must be a short assembly line.

I will apologize in advance for wasting your time that could be better spent on verifying the next, latest and greatest find, but I can't get the 1960 L/S differentiation. I got four campers that are most likely Large date varieties, but I want to be sure before I throw them at squirrels. 1. - .......................................................................................................................................................................... 2. - ............................................................................................................................................................................. 3. - ............................................................................................................................................................................. 4. - .............................................................................................................................................................................

lol, woulda never considered Gronk for that

The above and below clips are from an interesting article from (universalcoin.com) here is some more hobby snobby inclined campers educated in the jedi ways of numismatical nuttyness: Like Buddy Ebsen, Schenkel was far more than a casual collector. Indeed, he found fulfillment in numismatic objects that some might consider esoteric, such as Indian Peace medals, Hard Times tokens and U.S. Assay Commission medals. He also collected commemorative coins and other more mainstream material, including a stunning set of early U.S. quarters. When he consigned his collection for sale at a 1990 auction, it helped fill a 436-page catalog with 3,404 lots. Jerome Kern, one of the most famous composers of American popular music, ranked among the greatest collectors of U.S. coins, as well, during the first half of the 20th century. Kern, who wrote the music for such all-time standard songs as "Ol' Man River" and "Smoke Gets in Your Eyes," also had an eye for "hit" coins. His collection included a Show Boat full of rarities, including an Ultra-High-Relief 1907 Saint-Gaudens double eagle, a gem proof 1842 small-date Liberty Seated quarter and a complete four-coin set of 1879 and 1880 stellas. Five years after Kern's death, legendary Texas coin dealer B. Max Mehl sold the collection at a glittering auction in 1950. It was billed as the "Golden Jubilee Sale," but Kern's coins were clearly the stars of this landmark event. Mehl made this clear when he noted that its centerpiece was "the Magnificent Collection of United States Gold and Silver Coins of the Late Eminent Composer Jerome David Kern." Film director-actress Penny Marshall, who starred in TV's "Laverne & Shirley" show, became a coin collector - and a prominent one, at that - almost as much by birth as by environment. In fact, she was named for a coin. Marshall told an interviewer back in 2002 that she was named "Penny" to mollify her brothers, who were saving their pennies for a pony, "but got a baby sister instead." Other coin collectors from the entertainment world have included such leading lights as Italian tenor Enrico Caruso, "Stardust" songwriter Hoagy Carmichael, Academy Award-winning actress Nicole Kidman, Emmy-winning actor John Larroquette and actor James Earl Jones, who provided the distinctive deep baritone voice of Darth Vader in the "Star Wars" movies. Among the famous athletes known to collect coins are ice hockey legend Wayne Gretzky, baseball slugger Andre Dawson and flamboyant basketball rebounder Dennis Rodman. The late Dr. Jerry Buss, former owner of the Los Angeles Lakers basketball team, collected coins for 40 years and during that time he acquired such rarities as a 1913 Liberty Head nickel, an 1894-S Barber dime and a Class III 1804 silver dollar. He authorized the purchase of these three coins at a single stroke, in fact, simply by signing a hot dog napkin. Buss sold his coins at a major auction in 1985 after deciding he didn't have sufficient time for them. In the days when rare coins were the province of kings, one of the hobby's most illustrious practitioners was France's "Sun King," Louis XIV. Louis paid regular daily visits to the French Royal Coin Collection, and once remarked that he could "always find something new to learn." Perhaps the most learned of all royal collectors, from a numismatic standpoint, was Italy's King Victor Emmanuel III. More than just a collector, Victor Emmanuel was a true scholar who considered coins his life's greatest passion. Upon his abdication in 1946, he donated his vast collection - consisting of more than 100,000 coins from ancient times to modern - to the people of Italy. He also gave a priceless gift to coin collectors everywhere: a 20-volume catalog of Italian coinage through the centuries, which took him 12 years to write. Unlike Victor Emmanuel, Egypt's King Farouk had relatively little interest in coins' historical significance. He took great interest, though, in their rarity and value and diverted huge sums of money from his nation's treasury to his personal collection. Eventually, Egyptian military leaders, weary of Farouk's extravagant expenditures and dissolute lifestyle, forced him to abdicate in 1952. Two years later, they arranged for a now-famous auction to dispose of his bloated coin collection - or, more accurately, his disorganized but enormous accumulation. The Farouk Collection contained a number of great rarities, including a 1913 Liberty Head nickel and a 1933 Saint-Gaudens double eagle, which the king had acquired in 1944 with the help of a U.S. export license authorized by the U.S. State Department in deference to his status as a World War II ally. The double eagle was sold at an auction in 2002 for $7.59 million - a figure that stood for more than a decade as the highest price ever paid for a U.S. coin. It's the only example recognized as legal by the U.S. government - thanks to that 1944 export license. John Quincy Adams was the only U.S. president known to have been a serious collector of rare coins - though others undoubtedly dabbled in the hobby and some, including Thomas Jefferson and Franklin D. Roosevelt, are said to have had a more than passing interest in the subject. Foreign leaders of recent years who have been identified as coin enthusiasts include Israeli prime minister and foreign minister Moshe Dayan and former British prime minister Tony Blair. The Hobby of Kings has long since moved from monarchs' throne rooms to common folks' living rooms, parlors and dens. Still, amid the mass appeal of modern-day collecting, it's reassuring to know that rare coins retain the same kind of allure for today's celebrities as they held for yesteryear's nobility. And it's nice to know that people of moderate means share this common bond with the rich and famous.

Here is one Celebrity that was also an accomplished collector - Actor Buddy Ebsen struck it rich on "The Beverly Hillbillies" as Jed Clampett, a country bumpkin who moves his hayseed family to La La Land after oil is discovered on their rustic property, turning them into millionaires overnight. Ebsen, who was far from a hick off-screen, reaped a real-life windfall from rare coins. Over the years, he assembled an exceptional collection of U.S. coins, which brought more than $7.6 million when it was sold at a glittering West Coast auction in 1987. In one ironic "Beverly Hillbillies" episode, Jed Clampett scoffs when told that a coin collector paid $12,000 for a dime - the ultra-rare 1894-S Barber dime. "He got slickered," Jed tells Mr. Drysdale, his greedy banker-neighbor, who is trying to get him interested in the hobby. "A dime is only worth ten cents," he declares, adding: "If he put that dime in one of those candy machines, would he get out $12,000 worth of candy?" Ebsen had no doubt about the value of the coin at the time the episode aired in 1964. He was not only an avid collector but also a serious student of the hobby and active participant in organized numismatics. In fact, he co-founded the Beverly Hills Coin Club. His personal collection included a complete gold type set, a set of the Panama-Pacific commemorative coins in their original copper frame and a gem proof 1879 coiled hair stella (a pattern $4 gold piece).

The coin you are referring to that sold for 200K+ is a very particular coin. Can you provide more detailed information on that coin you referred to? Who, what, when, where, and most importantly why. Chances are, I imagine, it is a 1943 wheat penny produced on a copper planchet. Your coin is not that. For any coin to sell at 6 figures, you can be most assured you are not likely to acquire an identical specimen from Granny's tin. The reason you may be confused on the varying prices is because you aren't familiar enough with the basics of coin identification. Stay away from internet click bait videos, online selling sites that start with the letter "E", and spend a bit more time reading and educating yourself about coins. Lastly, it is better not to denigrate those that are simply informing you of the truth. Assistance with your future inquiries will always depend on your current interactions. The information/assistance you receive on this forum, will be honest and accurate. Truth does hurt when one is resistant to reality.

. . .doubling effect. I found this in my pocket the other day. The machine doubling is quite pronounced on "PLURIB."

just buy gold!

Unfortunately, I think there is a consensus among the forum that is rendering most incapable of believing that your coin is anything other than a copper plated steel wheat penny. The only way, for me personally, to believe that your coin is what you believe it to be is to have the coin authenticated by a legitimate Third-Party Grading company and have the images of your coin posted to the TPG graders' site for the world to see. For the effort you have put forth in believing what you believe about this coin, I hope it is real. It would be a fantastic feather up the proverbial posterior of this forum. I too hope someday to have my fantasy become reality. Please do keep us apprised of your progress.

There is some aspect of google that allows you to take a pic and it searches the web for matches. It isn't perfect but it generally leads me to where I need to get. The translation piece is not as cooperative though.

Duzz, we all can take a joke and we all make jokes. The jokes die out when a less experienced member chooses to disregard the information and advice provided by a multitude of more experienced members. Read through 5-7 pages of topics in the Newbie forum. Lately, as you will understand after reading topics for the past few weeks. Less experienced members will scoff at the opinions/information provided and choose to claim that nobody on this site knows what they are talking about. The audacity of some people is absurd. The more often these individuals appear and inundate this site with ignorance and irritation, the more likely patience will be lost and jokes will be a bit less humorous and a bit more biting.

LOL, I really do learn something new everyday! I was unaware that it was a package deal. I also thought the floating roof was a click-bait common occurrence. Regarding the no FG piece. the F is light and I can't see the G. would this fit the variety or must the FG be completely absent?

The floating roof is of no consequence, I am interested in the no FG piece

I found a few 69d's that were faint and this one that seems to extremely faint. Is this variety similar to the JFK "no fg" variety with varying degrees of obliteration?

I think the repeated moral of the story is to buy a lottery ticket. The $50-75 it would cost for a person to submit a coin for grading would be better spent on 50-75 lottery tickets giving the person 50-75 more chances to hit it big than they would on a "unicorn" coin (82d small date copper), (43 copper), etc. etc. etc. . . I use this forum to verify things I think I find in a coin. Sometimes I am right and more times I am wrong. I hope for the best and expect the worst, that way I don't find myself defending something that isn't there. This forum is to guide less experienced collectors in the right direction. Unfortunately, the internet click-bait sites are visited first and those less experienced tend to end up getting defensive and arguing about what they think they have. I have read thousands of posts here and coincidence turns into patterns. And yes, it does matter. If you are here, you should take the time to learn one thing at least, otherwise, you should seek advice elsewhere. Penny Hoarder, you specifically asked it if is a 82d small date, yes it is. Typically, the next question would be . . "is it copper?". You technically never asked that question, whether you intended to or not. Now that you have an example of a small date, keep it handy for referential purposes. The next step is to obtain a scale to 0.05 accuracy. Any future 82d small dates you get, weigh them, if they are 3.00+grams, please post cropped pics of the coin along with a pic of the scale registering the weight. And yes, I bought lottery tickets today.

LOL, I would submit it under: WDDO-001 / WDDO-002 / WDDO-003 / WDDO-004 / WDDO-005 / WDDO-006 and/or WDDR-001. Since you are the only one with the particular coin in hand and the rest of the world is unable to see any evidence of DDO/DDR, it will be necessary for you to determine which variety of the 7 varieties available best matches your coin. You have six DDO choices and 1 DDR choice. Click this link to Wexler's Coin & Die Varieties (for 1988-D coins) and look through the choices. http://www.doubleddie.com/829033.html If you can't find it, then just wing it. Be sure to stock up on insurance for it. Good luck to you, obviously your skills are beyond ours, so we can't be much help.

I had to find my rose colored glasses. Now that I am properly prepared to view this astounding specimen properly, I can absolutely see the doubling. 3D is better than DD, but not yet up to the standards of DDO or DDR. It's like betamax and vhs compared to laserdisc. nolo contendere.

Is Youngmoola your brother. You two would be like two peas in a pod

Vasquez, It is evident that you are much more knowledgeable than everyone on this site. Please do not allow our lacking knowledge to hinder your quest to achieve the unachievable. Fly, fly, fly away!